AMD Zambezi news, info, fans !

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Originally Posted by gurusan

Utter nonsense. AMD/Intel systems are pretty much identical in pricing.

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Well, intel prices its chipset higher and gives less.So theres that.

Yeah, buying into intel is not cheap, but I give you points for attempted trolling.

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Originally Posted by radaja

that would be so freaking awesome

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Rebuilding server farm or making computer case of zambezi/interlagos boxes? :)

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Originally Posted by XRL8

Great post, i now have two radically different quotes to put in my sig :-D .Im betting that yours is gonna be true or at least closer to reality.However at least one person gonna look failish after BD premiere.

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We will see, we will see :)

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Originally Posted by rintamarotta

Rebuilding server farm or making computer case of zambezi/interlagos boxes? :)

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Da-AMDBOX Case

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

you need to watch The Invention of Lying, pretty good adds for coke in that movie

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Haha "It's a bit sweet" :rofl:

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Originally Posted by rintamarotta

I could put small plastic bag in those boxes, candy or screws would not get trough that hole :).

Think the hole is there because of protection from moisture.

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That hole is to show the chip. :D

Like on the regular AMD CPU packages.

i will be happy if top model use paper box and sell cheaper than metal box ....haha

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Originally Posted by rintamarotta

Second is Zambezi performance beating SB 2600K as well as i7 990x with ease.

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If it's true I will regard this as one of reasons why zambezi delayed. Sell at 320$ would be shaking the market into bloody hell .

Im waiting for 2x FX 8xxxx and 1x FX6xxx (in first state), I have 7 Phenoms CPU, so I must to have more FX than Phenoms :)

I'm very sad and thoughtfu because BD was "near" to launch, and now it has been delayed to no official date
I hoped almost to know something in June, even if BD was not launched. Just to see if we're waiting something special...
I dont know nothing for sure
- BD will work on some am3 motherboards like asus/msi said?
- BD how much will be better than phenom II, core vs core?
- BD 2 will be on another socket.. am3+ will be supported only 1 year?

I'm thinking of selling my CH IV and buy an am3+ motherboard, but I don't know if getting a "medium range" mainboard and save money or buying a CH V ...

a CH V will be too expensive IMHO if BD will not be almost +30% better than phenom II, core vs core, and if AMD will not support and develope am3+ cpus next year..

-> sorry for my poor english but itsnt my 1st language

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Originally Posted by liberato87

I'm very sad and thoughtfu because BD was "near" to launch, and now it has been delayed to no official date
I hoped almost to know something in June, even if BD was not launched. Just to see if we're waiting something special...
I dont know nothing for sure
- BD will work on some am3 motherboards like asus/msi said?
- BD how much will be better than phenom II, core vs core?
- BD 2 will be on another socket.. am3+ will be supported only 1 year?
I'm thinking of selling my CH IV and buy an am3+ motherboard, but I don't know if getting a "medium range" mainboard and save money or buying a CH V ...
a CH V will be too expensive IMHO if BD will not be almost +30% better than phenom II, core vs core, and if AMD will not support and develope am3+ cpus next year..
-> sorry for my poor english but itsnt my 1st language

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Quick recap.Maybe im gonna be helpful.
Yes BD should work on selected AM3 boards, and will work for sure on am3+ boards using 7xx /8xx chipsets which are available for some time.
Performance is totally unknown.All theoretical estimations put it at least above 2600k in multithreaded and below in singlethreaded.However theres new instructions, AES/AVX/SSE4 .Improvement should be at least from small when using non optimized code, to big using new instructions.Its should destroy Phenom X6 no problem.
Yes BD2 will be on another socket, as for support longevity of Am3+ its unknown.However when in doubt always be pessimistic.
Youre right on the mainboard front.Its no use to buy now, most probably your board is going to be supported (there is bios already) and buying high end mobo with 990FX seems pointless for you as its the same chipset as 890FX.There are differences in mainbord itself, but am3+ is shortlived.Best advice, wait and see.If BD delivers performance and AMD commits somewhat to Am3+ than it might be a good idea, but not before that.

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Originally Posted by XRL8

Quick recap.Maybe im gonna be helpful.
Yes BD should work on selected AM3 boards, and will work for sure on am3+ boards using 7xx /8xx chipsets which are available for some time.
Performance is totally unknown.All theoretical estimations put it at least above 2600k in multithreaded and below in singlethreaded.However theres new instructions, AES/AVX/SSE4 .Improvement should be at least from small when using non optimized code, to big using new instructions.Its should destroy Phenom X6 no problem.
Yes BD2 will be on another socket, as for support longevity of Am3+ its unknown.However when in doubt always be pessimistic.
Youre right on the mainboard front.Its no use to buy now, most probably your board is going to be supported (there is bios already) and buying high end mobo with 990FX seems pointless for you as its the same chipset as 890FX.There are differences in mainbord itself, but am3+ is shortlived.Best advice, wait and see.If BD delivers performance and AMD commits somewhat to Am3+ than it might be a good idea, but not before that.

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thank you for the reply, I agree with you.
but as you posted
-BD "should" work
- ts should destroy Phenom X6 no problem.
so nothing sure 100%.. I know, maybe I'm asking for something that I cannot know at the moment.
now, "to wait"is the answer.
I would like to wait but my problem is
- if I sell now my CH IV I can surely earn more money than I will earn if CH IV will not support BD or the support will be not good
- in the case that i sell now my ch iv and buy a medium mb am3+ with 990fx (worst than ch iv in phase power), I will be afraid if BD will work better on the CH IV ( It would have been better not sell my CH IV!)

so this is my problem, and I hoped to know something in this days but nothing..

liberato87, you can buy a mobo 990FX for about 120 euros like mine Gigabyte UD3 . It doesnt have to be a highend mobo.

Asus CIV might support BD, check in asus site. At least some old MSI and Asus mb support BD already. Better wait and see.

If I was you, I'd run the old mobo until next BD2 if the old mobo supports BD.

@Liberato87

Of course theres nothing 100% solid as of yet ;-) , were BEFORE launch, and AMD dicks around.
Well, that not fully true.
We know for SURE that ES samples of BD WORK on CH IV.And that they perform like crap :) but it isnt sockets fault.

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Originally Posted by Tomasis

liberato87, you can buy a mobo 990FX for about 120 euros like mine Gigabyte UD3 . It doesnt have to be a highend mobo.

Asus CIV might support BD, check in asus site. At least some old MSI and Asus mb support BD already. Better wait and see.

If I was you, I'd run the old mobo until next BD2 if the old mobo supports BD.

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thank you for the reply.
I'm considering buy the ud3 (or the ud5..i dont know what to buy I'm just getting mad) , and if BD will be great, I'll upgrade to CH V.
I would like ro rest with my CH IV, but I'm afraid that if the support will be not great (or if there will be no support on "final" cpu) , I've to sell it under cut price (now I can sell it at good price, I've to add only 10 euro for the ud5)..
sli is also appreciated..

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Originally Posted by XRL8

Quick recap.Maybe im gonna be helpful.
Yes BD should work on selected AM3 boards, and will work for sure on am3+ boards using 7xx /8xx chipsets which are available for some time.
Performance is totally unknown.All theoretical estimations put it at least above 2600k in multithreaded and below in singlethreaded.However theres new instructions, AES/AVX/SSE4 .Improvement should be at least from small when using non optimized code, to big using new instructions.Its should destroy Phenom X6 no problem.
Yes BD2 will be on another socket, as for support longevity of Am3+ its unknown.However when in doubt always be pessimistic.
Youre right on the mainboard front.Its no use to buy now, most probably your board is going to be supported (there is bios already) and buying high end mobo with 990FX seems pointless for you as its the same chipset as 890FX.There are differences in mainbord itself, but am3+ is shortlived.Best advice, wait and see.If BD delivers performance and AMD commits somewhat to Am3+ than it might be a good idea, but not before that.

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Do you know of any 790 boards supporting Orochi? Do you know any AM3 Gigabyte boards supporting Orochi? AFAIK, seems like an ASUS only thing to me.

Let me check what AGESA code the latest 890 bioses are. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by liberato87

I'm very sad and thoughtfu because BD was "near" to launch, and now it has been delayed to no official date

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the date changed to q3, so there is a date

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Originally Posted by XRL8

@Liberato87

Of course theres nothing 100% solid as of yet ;-) , were BEFORE launch, and AMD dicks around.
Well, that not fully true.
We know for SURE that ES samples of BD WORK on CH IV.And that they perform like crap :) but it isnt sockets fault.

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AMD is not supporting BD on AM3.

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

the date changed to q3, so there is a date

AMD is not supporting BD on AM3.

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It's a shame it's been pulled Q3 (I take you would hope August if possible). As a PR move I would of thought some special LN2 editions for the overclockers would have been in the pipeline, just to get the interest going before the mainstream hit the market.

Only a few more months of waiting, it's just a shame it's Q3 now.

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

the date changed to q3, so there is a date
AMD is not supporting BD on AM3.

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He didnt ask if amd supported it.But if asus supported it.
EDIT .I may have misread you.If you were referring not to the compatibility but performance.This sample is crap on 990FX too.
As for the date, its even more granular, presentation on computex had 60-90days for PIB availability.

@BeepBeep.

I didnt tell otherwise, and from what i remember MSI had some models too with AM3 support.I may be wrong tho.And as for the chipsets ,there are AM3+ 7xx series mainboards out there.
-> http://www.gigabyte.pl/products/page...lmt-s2prev_31/

Double post ,pls del.
Boy i hate new forum software :/

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Originally Posted by Motiv

As a PR move I would of thought some special LN2 editions for the overclockers would have been in the pipeline, just to get the interest going before the mainstream hit the market.

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That doesn't make any sense to me. At all. None of it.

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

That doesn't make any sense to me. At all. None of it.

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Like the TWKR edition phenom II`s ?They didnt make any sense at all ?

The TWKR Ph2s were probably just leftovers of a run of non-standard chips AMD had run for other reasons. They didn't perform any better iirc.

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Originally Posted by Particle

The TWKR Ph2s were probably just leftovers of a run of non-standard chips AMD had run for other reasons. They didn't perform any better iirc.

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You have to remember that TWKR's were C2 stepping, they were out before C3 hit.

I dont know many other C2's that hit nearly 6.8 Ghz:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...Z-amp-SPi1M-WR
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/phenom_ii_twkr/

beep has a point.
C2's NEVER HIT 6.8

i have a feeling we will see v2 of the TWKR, but in BD form

...there are a lot of C3's that wont do 6.8.

TWKR were defective leaky chips that wouldnt be suitable to sell in any form as they wouldn't fit TDP vs volts needed for stability, I bet otherwise they'd been scrapped.