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04-25-2010, 01:55 PM
charged3800z24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

As for the CPU Multipliers/FSB those are for you to set, not actuall readings so thats why if you look at the top it shows correct numbers. Mine does that too. :up:

Must be the 890 boards then, my 790FX works perfect in AOD for voltage and frequency etc. I had made all those changes in the bios. When I do this on my 790FX board, the Target reads the same as my current. Just thought it was weird.
04-25-2010, 02:07 PM
charged3800z24

Don't mean to double post, just wanted to share some test I did. Nothing as exciting as Oldtimer was doing, but here it is. I ran test in 3d06 to see the differences with memory allocation on the IGP. If you notice, there can be a 300 point gain from adding side port. Now I may need to run a no sideport with 128MB shared to see the speed difference in shared and sideport.

Ok, I added a no sideport but with 128MB shared. It is below. I am now intrigued to run this with 1333 MEM just to see... probably would make a huge difference, but look at how much faster the 128MB shared is to the sideport only 128MB.

First up is sideport only (128MB of course)

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/sideport-only.jpg

(Added) no sideport only 128MB shared.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/no-sideport+128.jpg

Next was sideport plus 128MB shared.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/sideport+128.jpg

Next, sideport plus 256MB shared.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/sideport+256.jpg

Sideport plus 512MB, is identical as +256MB

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/sideport+512.jpg

And now No sideport but with 512MB shared

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/no-sideport+512.jpg
04-25-2010, 05:36 PM
charged3800z24

HT clock may help your IGP game

Sorry to be hogging the past few post, I just finally been able to test this board lol.

I did a few test and found that I gained on average 100 points from 2000 HT to 2600 HT. Here are to SS.

Phenom II 965BE 4.1ghz 2800NB
OCZ BE 1600 8.8.8 24 T2 2x2GB
890GXM-G65 / 4290 1000 core 128MB SP 1333 + 256MB shared
Win 7 64
H20 Non-Chilled

HT 2000

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d06-4.1-1000.jpg

HT 2600

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...000-HT2600.jpg
04-25-2010, 05:40 PM
BeepBeep2

Sure does:

Gigabyte 890GX w/ IGP @ 1025(core)/850(sideport, 1700 DDR), 512MB shared.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...=gpubenchmarks
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5331/4290.png

Based on the HWBOT scores I dont know if thats 1156 or 1025...it was set at 1025...but look how close I can to chew*'s score...
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...=gpubenchmarks
04-25-2010, 06:43 PM
charged3800z24

If I can get a lil more core and some more CPU I could break 3000. This is all for now.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...-1000-HT26.jpg
04-25-2010, 09:32 PM
cesariuth

i remember that my 955 C2 do this in CPUscore;

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1...ptscputest.png

but in XP :D
04-26-2010, 06:14 AM
theoldtimer

Quote:

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Did you even have AOD installed? I wonder if all are like this, here is a SS of AOD. Notice CPU-Z is correct, but AOD has some strangeness going on :p:

I try AOD on every new AMD chipset MB I buy (or in this case was given). I really do like AOD and have used it many times in the past. When it works it’s a great tool and you can’t beat the price.:)

I installed the AOD version that was on the driver cd that came with the MSI 890GX MB version 3.1. I think? The setting reported by AOD were different when compared to the bios settings. Anytime I tried to change a clock setting using AOD then click apply the system would lock or sometimes lock then reboot. AOD always reported 200 as the HT reference clock although in the bios the HT was much higher.:shrug:

I will admit that I didn’t try an older version of AOD though. One of the older versions of AOD may work for all I know but I doubt it as the MB is using the new chipset. I suppose AMD is working on the AOD problems and will release a patch or updated version to fix this handy little tool before too long?;)
04-26-2010, 02:59 PM
charged3800z24

Quote:

Originally Posted by theoldtimer

I try AOD on every new AMD chipset MB I buy (or in this case was given). I really do like AOD and have used it many times in the past. When it works it’s a great tool and you can’t beat the price.:)

I installed the AOD version that was on the driver cd that came with the MSI 890GX MB version 3.1. I think? The setting reported by AOD were different when compared to the bios settings. Anytime I tried to change a clock setting using AOD then click apply the system would lock or sometimes lock then reboot. AOD always reported 200 as the HT reference clock although in the bios the HT was much higher.:shrug:

I will admit that I didn’t try an older version of AOD though. One of the older versions of AOD may work for all I know but I doubt it as the MB is using the new chipset. I suppose AMD is working on the AOD problems and will release a patch or updated version to fix this handy little tool before too long?;)

Didn't you do some test with higher Mem speed on the IGP? I cannot go above what the bios allows. I want to break 3000 ;) I tried to use MSI's tool off the CD, but it will not run, at all..
04-26-2010, 04:34 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

If I can get a lil more core and some more CPU I could break 3000. This is all for now.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...-1000-HT26.jpg

CPU score does NOTHING for the overall score...honestly 3.8 is more than sufficient. Maybe 10 points between 3.8 and 4.2 Ghz. :ROTF:
04-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Grinder

OT while I lie in wait.

Anyone know where I can find a bios for a diamond 4850, with higher CCC limits that work under window 7 64 bit? Or is it best to edit my own? I've found some in old threads, but the linked drivers are long gone. I have found the voltmod stuff.

Just trying to remove the 700 cap without disabling uac for att, or having checksum problems (haven't edited my own bios before, and I'd like to save time).

I can't afford to buy another graphics card just yet, so I may have to follow BeepBeep2's example and make my 4850 toasty. Hopefully not TOO toasty.

Sounds like you are having fun charged. Maybe it'll survive to see HTPC duty after all :)
04-26-2010, 06:29 PM
charged3800z24

Thanks Grinder, ;)

I might have a bios for you, Is it a refernce design or what? And what CCC version you running?
04-26-2010, 06:42 PM
Grinder

I`m pretty sure it's reference. Red PCB. 512 meg gddr3.

CCC came with 10.3 download a couple days ago off the ATI site, when I finally installed windows 7 64 hp. Are you running 10.3, or the leaked 10.4?

Haven`t flashed a bios since my x800 GTO2 :p: May it rest in peace.

It`s tempting to buy a used 48XX and crossfire it, but I`ll save my bucks for a dx11 card.

EDIT: On second thought, I think I'll give RBE a whirl. Why am I here, if not to push myself and my hardware, and learn? :yepp:

UPDATE: Using RBE's suggested change including valid overdrive sig to update limits to 800/1300 seemed successful, e.g. the limits were changed. However, it really hampered my overclocking ability. I had to back off from where I was (700/1100) in order to complete any benches without crashing. Reflashing to the original lets me hit 700/1100 again. Just changing the limits without the hash left me with a card that the drivers wouldn't recognize.

UPDATE 2: Tried two versions of amd gpu clock tool with the same type of results. Major artifacts/crash trying to achieve the same speed I was getting with ccc overdrive. Not much point in the pencil mod...
04-27-2010, 05:08 AM
theoldtimer

Quote:

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Didn't you do some test with higher Mem speed on the IGP? I cannot go above what the bios allows. I want to break 3000 ;) I tried to use MSI's tool off the CD, but it will not run, at all..

I'll check back through my notes and SS's but I think I was stuck @667MHz as per bios max the same as you. Sorry but off hand I don't recall which setting gave me the best 3D results. I've ran many other benchtest since I tested the IGP on the MSI 890GX.:)
04-27-2010, 03:43 PM
charged3800z24

Quote:

Originally Posted by theoldtimer

I'll check back through my notes and SS's but I think I was stuck @667MHz as per bios max the same as you. Sorry but off hand I don't recall which setting gave me the best 3D results. I've ran many other benchtest since I tested the IGP on the MSI 890GX.:)

Hey, get the new AOD from game.amd.com. It works on the IGP for OCing the sideport. I finally broke 3000 today ;)
BTW, did you see my IGP test here? I did some test to show the diference between sideport and shared ram, etc.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=13787262

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...0-1600-IGP.jpg
04-27-2010, 05:21 PM
theoldtimer

Quote:

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Hey, get the new AOD from game.amd.com. It works on the IGP for OCing the sideport. I finally broke 3000 today ;)
BTW, did you see my IGP test here? I did some test to show the diference between sideport and shared ram, etc.

My MSI is dead, truly dead, sorry to say so I won't be testing any IGPs any time soon. Thanks for the links though. It looks like you're getting the IGP figured out nice score.:up:
04-27-2010, 05:30 PM
charged3800z24

Oh yeah, i forgot you said that already. Well, I think you could have had a nice score with using AOD.I have 2 890 boards now. Might see if the other is any better.
05-01-2010, 11:15 AM
BeepBeep2

Its all about milking efficiency:

890GX IGP @ 1000/900
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/189...gp3dmark06.png
05-01-2010, 09:15 PM
charged3800z24

I can not get GPU-Z to run right on my board. It is real slow to respond and does not always read right settings. very strange. how is it on yours?
05-01-2010, 09:30 PM
BeepBeep2

Same with mine. Really slow and it skews CPU-Z CPU/HT/CPUNB readings.

I beat 3300 and I'm off to bed here pretty soon...thats the highest HT Link I've ever run or booted at: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=13815830

890GX: 4290 @ 1060/900
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/926...0642903307.png
05-01-2010, 09:44 PM
charged3800z24

Nice run Beep. I will run some tomorrow. Been working on a website for work and doing WCG.
05-01-2010, 10:22 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Nice run Beep. I will run some tomorrow. Been working on a website for work and doing WCG.

Thanks. :)

I got 2nd Vantage on the bot as well...
05-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Lastviking

I have been busy latly to get my bike up and runing.. Bigbore kit for my rotax engine 998cc to 1060cc. So it have been less playing with the computer.

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/v...k/IMG_1870.jpg

But here come one indoor 3dmark2006 run with about max the cpu, imc , and the new sticks can do with indoor temp..all timings are not tweaked yet(only fast 7-7-7 run)

Cooling Trueblack + kaze 3000rpm
955BE C3
Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD5
4870 X2 2GB
Corsair 1866C7GT

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/v...5mhz3dmark.jpg
05-07-2010, 05:37 PM
chew*

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Thanks. :)

I got 2nd Vantage on the bot as well...

I think you got a bugged run beep. System tweaking doesn't help vantage. It's all gpu.
05-07-2010, 05:55 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by chew*

I think you got a bugged run beep. System tweaking doesn't help vantage. It's all gpu.

Best out of two runs...:rolleyes:

I don't rememember what clocks I was at but I had pushed volts to 1.52 and I believe I was around 1060/900 for the vantage run.

The board is getting ready to be RMA'ed soon. It won't boot into any of my four hard drives.

But I'll happily remove it if you believe I should.
05-07-2010, 05:59 PM
chew*

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Best out of two runs...:rolleyes:

I don't rememember what clocks I was at but I had pushed volts to 1.52 and I believe I was around 1085/900 for the vantage run.

The board is getting ready to be RMA'ed soon. It won't boot into any of my four hard drives.

But I'll happily remove it if you believe I should.

Nah I will test at same speeds to see but IIRC I got some bugged runs myself.

Think I broke like 900 once on ln2. Had to reset bios and setting for bug to go away. It happens with vantage sometimes.

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