Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

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12-26-2008, 08:28 AM
Tomcat

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Originally Posted by Bjynne

Is f4j the best bios at moment?for the extreme

So what's the best bios for the ud5 at the moment?
F4r, or is the F5a also ok?
What would be the best settings to utilise my 1600mhz dominator ram?
12-26-2008, 09:21 AM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by Xello

I tried the pencil mod but it's not working :mad:

:up:

Hi

so are you saying this pencil Mod doesnt work ??

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7...ncilbu0hu7.png

I was thinking use the Pencil mod , but if you say it doesnt work then i wont do it !

btw:

Im still using F4R bios and this Config for 24/7

Idle @ 2280Mhz @ 1.04v (Speedstep & C1E)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3564/idleev9.jpg

Load @ 3600Mhz @ 1.12v

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3005/3600112viw7.jpg

best regards
12-26-2008, 09:44 AM
Xello

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Originally Posted by Lukee

That sucks. I removed that piece for now since I wasn't going to use it. My MCH temps are like 49-50C when booting up. Doesn't that seem kinda high?

Mines are 55c right now during blend. I only have X48 knowledge to go by, but that is pretty much out the window since X58 is completely different. In fact i was expecting it to be alot cooler, given the lack of memory controller, but obviously this is not what has happened.

We should note that the temp icon is off up to 60c, flashing green from 61c-80c, and flashing red at 81+, so we can assume these temps are fine.

I've PM'd someone who should give a clearer answer, i'll let you know what he tells me :up:

:edit: Ok i got a reply, though not a very big one but it explains this. I remember reading on anandtech that one of the goals Intel had was to design a more server-oriented chip with X58, even though it would be used on desktop aswell. Anandtech back this up also with a recent article showing how powerful nehalem xeon is going to be. This is the reason for the chipset's high temps, compared to X48, its power has been increased to make it more dual-cpu ready. The temps are all good :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomcat

So what's the best bios for the ud5 at the moment?
F4r, or is the F5a also ok?
What would be the best settings to utilise my 1600mhz dominator ram?

I highly recommend to anyone that you should start from scratch and find your own settings, because one read through of this thread is enough to see that people are having different experiences. However, if you want to jump right in try 200 bclk with 8x memory multi, 18x QPI (36x in bios) 16x uncore, that will give you your 1600mhz stock. Make sure to set 1.64v / 1.66v vdimm manually, and if i were you i'd also set my 8-8-8-24 manually also. Leave the 'performance' option on Turbo to take care of the rest of your timings, it'll probably set 1T CR but that shouldn't be a problem and will give you a small bandwidth boost.

Then start increasing your cpu multi and see what you can get stable :up:

This is one of many ways of doing it, but it will let you get your memory @ stock at least.

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Originally Posted by mascaras

so are you saying this pencil Mod doesnt work

It's not working for me, the vdroop is still there. This is the first time i've tried it but it's pretty easy and doesn't seem to be a way to do it wrong. I've pm'd Hicookie about it and they maintain the mod should work, i've put the line on so hard the pencil led would break if i pushed harder, and no luck.

Feel free to try :shrug:
12-26-2008, 10:54 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xello

It's not working for me, the vdroop is still there. This is the first time i've tried it but it's pretty easy and doesn't seem to be a way to do it wrong. I've pm'd Hicookie about it and they maintain the mod should work, i've put the line on so hard the pencil led would break if i pushed harder, and no luck.

Feel free to try :shrug:

Hi

are you sure the Two "points" are conected with the pencil ?? ( only in the midle wont work )

Ok then , i will try tomorow ! :up:

regards
12-26-2008, 12:24 PM
VIctorj

Guys, is there ANY freaking way to install GBTTOOLS and Dynamic energy saver on vista 64 and getting it to FREAKING work? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing data execution prevention blocks it...even if i disable DEP it blocks it anyway:S HELP.
12-26-2008, 01:04 PM
fornowagain

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

Hi

are you sure the Two "points" are conected with the pencil ?? ( only in the midle wont work )

Ok then , i will try tomorow ! :up:

regards

Didn't work for me either, used pencils with more and more graphite 2b>4b>6b. 6b and it wouldn't post until I used a rubber to clean it off. Other than that it had no effect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIctorj

Guys, is there ANY freaking way to install GBTTOOLS and Dynamic energy saver on vista 64 and getting it to FREAKING work? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing data execution prevention blocks it...even if i disable DEP it blocks it anyway:S HELP.

Been asked before, several times. Mine and several others say no, some report success though. They seem to be in the minority.
12-26-2008, 01:28 PM
Tommy L

anny working link to UD5 f4j & f4m Bios? thanks
12-26-2008, 01:40 PM
rge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy L

anny working link to UD5 f4j & f4m Bios? thanks

I think for UD5, most are using F4r.

For Extreme it is F4j and F4m, though more are using F4j.

But station drivers still has beta bioses up.
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/...a-ex58-ud5.htm
12-26-2008, 01:42 PM
Tommy L

have those.. missing j and m.. :P
12-26-2008, 03:00 PM
Silver Bullet

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Originally Posted by ante_ante

Can someone tell me if this is a normal score with my setup all at stock except turbo enabled. No tweaks in XP except set performance in CCC and using Cat 8.12

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7561/37917990jv8.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3...pg/1/w1280.png

Just ran 3Dmark 03 at scored 85165 - 3.3Ghz though and Vista U x64
12-26-2008, 03:34 PM
ante_ante

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Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Just ran 3Dmark 03 at scored 85165 - 3.3Ghz though and Vista U x64

Installed Vista Home Premium x64 this night and did some testing.

3dmark01: 54800p in Xp and the same in Vista
3dmark03: 73093p in Xp and 77915 in Vista
3dmark06: 18230p in Xp and only 17200 in Vista " strange "

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1443/34447601dv1.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3...pg/1/w1280.png

Is there any good regfiles for vista that i can gain performance on?
12-26-2008, 04:13 PM
Booj

Is anyone running D9JNM sticks successfully on these boards? I have a 2x1gb set of G.Skill HZ 1800mhz 7-7-7-18 that really doesn't like running on EX58 extreme with any bios. They was a very limited run of those kits though, perhaps they had some issues.

Seems to run ok at 1333-1400 mhz, but any more struggles to boot into windows with a variety of timings, dividers, uncore and high vdimm/vtt

It doesnt really matter though because my triple channel kit runs effortlessly :up:
12-26-2008, 06:28 PM
Infa

Thera are quite some settings in an SPD, not only the basic 4-5 that we are used to change, so these NM that are programmed for c2d and x48 boards and down are not for set for these x58, i can imagine why its not working so good. requireing diffrent voltage, though 1.65 for NM at 1600mhz are quite difficult i think, or not? it could work though when GTR usually are rated 1.9 for cl 8 1800mhz, still little tight :)
12-26-2008, 08:45 PM
safan80

easy tune 6 is not easy to to get working.

anybody using 6 stick and got 19x200 working?
12-27-2008, 01:23 AM
hiwa

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Originally Posted by NCspecV81

Hey, I got this yesterday as well with the updated bios. =o(

I finally recovered it from the dreaded 88 continuous boot, instant off infinite recycle. I just had to vigorously man handle the reset button like for 15 minutes straight until I saw a c1 populate the led. Then I powered off and back on, and it was miraculously covered. I got this 88 error until finally I flashed back to an older bios. I encountered the 88 code a couple of times yesterday. Sometimes it would only take a few, actually several, quick mashes of the reset button to recover to the c1. Good luck, b/c that 88 is the biggest booger ever!

Thanks Gigabyte for the wonderful bios, it definitely incapacitated my Christmas Eve!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

oh man
i hate when i have weird board issues
i recently had one with my P5E3 DLX
gave me a real scare but i got it going in the end

its good to see you get it up and running at least :)

hiwa i hope yours recovers like this too :(

mine is dead 100% guys
:(:(

thanks for advice:up:
12-27-2008, 01:46 AM
Bjynne

So has anyone made 222bus speed stable or is it just impossible?
12-27-2008, 05:26 AM
Xello

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjynne

So has anyone made 222bus speed stable or is it just impossible?

Sure, with QPI on slow mode it's a piece of cake ;)
12-27-2008, 05:52 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

easy tune 6 is not easy to to get working.

anybody using 6 stick and got 19x200 working?

yes, i even got even 210mhz with 6 stick working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xello

Sure, with QPI on slow mode it's a piece of cake ;)

slowmode dont work, it gets overridden after boot. :yeep:
12-27-2008, 06:11 AM
rge

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heh, I hadnt noticed that before, slow mode (100mhz in bios) is qpi of 24 (12x or 2400mhz) on mine....see pic.
12-27-2008, 06:15 AM
siemens_wolf

Hi:
how you guys could manage to have 1.04v, or 1.14v for CPU?

I've been using the ex58-ud5, and with 180*21 I have to make it at around 1.3v. the CPUZ shows 1.280v....

quite upset....
12-27-2008, 07:06 AM
Xello

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

slowmode dont work, it gets overridden after boot. :yeep:

I don't think so, there's no way i could have been stable @ 222mhz otherwise. RGE is probably right, it sets 12x.

Someone with more time on their hands should investigate 12x vs 18x QPI and the difference it makes in performance :yepp:
12-27-2008, 07:11 AM
rge

^^^....halfway there, no diff in spi for sure...but doing my 2nd run pcmark now.

EDIT: slow mode is very appropriately named. I lost 5K points in pc mark5, just watching pcmark 5 run in slow mode was painful...couple times I thought it was crashing....it was just running real slowwwwww..basically all Hard drive activities and graphics are 30% slower on slow mode. And in case your wondering if increasing QPI from 36 to 44 makes a difference, it does not on spi, pcmark5, or everest when I downclocked my OC to where I could compare 36 vs 44. But decreasing qpi from 36 to slow mode, hoses performance of hard drive/graphics.
12-27-2008, 08:08 AM
vega22

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You have to account for .040v....how is this confusing? I get the exact same drop and droop as you and out of the 20 775 boards that I've owned this is easily top two, number 1 being the DFI TR2SB+ X48. As for your memory performance, use turbo performance mode on the EX58, it'll tighten up a bunch of subtimings and give you better results.

The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244
12-27-2008, 08:37 AM
rge

Quote:

Originally Posted by vega22

The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244

vega22, see post 921. It is just limitation of sensors reading in steps of .016 versus bios setting .00625.
12-27-2008, 08:52 AM
Xello

Quote:

Originally Posted by vega22

The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244

Someone also told me that the voltage you set in bios according to intel latest spec is a 'maximum overshoot' voltage, meaning that you won't actually be @ that voltage but you can be safe in the knowledge that no overshoots will exceed that voltage.

They really need to shake up this system to give us more accurate reporting, or maybe cpu-z just needs an update or something :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rge

^^^....halfway there, no diff in spi for sure...but doing my 2nd run pcmark now.

EDIT: slow mode is very appropriately named. I lost 5K points in pc mark5, just watching pcmark 5 run in slow mode was painful...couple times I thought it was crashing....it was just running real slowwwwww..basically all Hard drive activities and graphics are 30% slower on slow mode. And in case your wondering if increasing QPI from 36 to 44 makes a difference, it does not on spi, pcmark5, or everest when I downclocked my OC to where I could compare 36 vs 44. But decreasing qpi from 36 to slow mode, hoses performance of hard drive/graphics.

Thanks, i suspected this. Saaya mentioned in the 101 thread that past a certain clock QPI is vastly overpowered for desktop systems so there wouldn't be much benefit or point in upping the multi. I mean, at high bclks, say 200 bclk we're sitting @ 3600mhz and the next multi up would put us @ 4400mhz which is a no-no anyway so yeah :D

Most of my components are reaching great clocks etc but i don't believe i can be stable with my qpi much higher than say 3.85ghz anyway. The one time i tried was when my raid 0 array died, and that was with 4ghz QPI + 4 ghz Uclk. I've since been @ 4ghz uclk no problem so i believe it was the QPI that sent my drives down the pan. I won't be trying that again! My guess is the signal overshoots were too much which messed up some data (QPI goes to the southbridge aswell, right?)

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