Well I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by integral
As for the overclocking potential of Conroe, it should be very good. At 2.4 GHz it only needs passive cooling and it's a 65 nm part.
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Well I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by integral
As for the overclocking potential of Conroe, it should be very good. At 2.4 GHz it only needs passive cooling and it's a 65 nm part.
redpriest quote "What I am perplexed about is why Conroe bombs on the encryption code"
Does this mean Conroe will not be as strong in video encoding as it is in other areas?
Thanks
You cannot draw that conclusion for high-quality video encoding.Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic
Most one-key encryption schemes and low-quality video encoding have a tendency not to care about the L2 CPU cache at all because they rip through so many data blocks (or frames squares) that memory bandwidth counts a lot. Things are either in the L1 cache or they go right through the L2 cache. Conroe is probably weaker here because of the lack of internal memory controller.
However, high-quality video encoding spends so much time on each frame that memory access doesn't play a big role. Same if you don't only encrypt the data but you do something with the data before encryption. Only "pure" encryption is subject to this.
The benchmarks in my signature illustrate that, too. It is clear that memory bandwidth and latency is most worthwhile with low-quality video encoding. But for high-quality video encoding even a stupid Celeron with no memory bandwidth and small L2 cache can be very fast.
In regards to SM2 and Video Coding:
SM2, as redpriest stated, is a work of enthusiasm that begain when I was in college with version 1.0. Version 2.0 has Alex and I working collectively upon it. As Alex, redpriest, stated, we purchase hardware and software out of our own pockets and do not recieve support from Intel or AMD. Case in point, I just purchased for 400$ the Intel MKL library for hoisting the DGEMM and SGEMM testing currently done with my own code out of SM2 and leverage Intel's MKL and AMD's ACML. Soon, in a new release, SM2 will test FFTs, Linear Alegebra, be multi-threaded and have support for new bnechmarks from a vectorizing compiler.
In regards to media and encryption. Encryption is very tightly bound by dependencies, SHA1, SHA256, RC4, etc. The greatest optimizers achieve almost 1.5-nearly 3 IPC presently upon their algorithms. Like Alex, I had expected more from Conroe upon this benchmark with it's 4 way issue of ALU ops. In media, SIMD vector instructions are heavily utilized, in MP3 popularly with MMX while video codecs use SSE2 and soon MNI. These vector instructions will run +2x better upon the "core" arch. What is witnessed in the BLAS benchmark results of SM2 will also hold true in Media apps with SIMD vector optimizations.
my 2 cents for what its worth..
english pls :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by White Wizard
Thanks for the SM clarifications guys ..appreciated.
Regards
Andy
I believe he said Conroe will excell at video encoding, which is the only benchmark I care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Thanks
Anyone tried Conroe with ASUS P5WD2-E Premium board yet?
http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/r...2694&forumid=1Quote:
Originally Posted by White Wizard
You guys, more than most folks know the difference between any processor doing better or worse can easily depend on software.
Good link Donnie, and I'm glad to see that there are people to do more than blindly slander and slash people's reputations with little or no evidence to the contrary. Alex and I have worked hard on our own times, and monetary budgets, to maintain integrity in SM2. To Conroe's credit and desgin it does well in SM2 because of it's balanced architecture.
What will be more interesting, is someone running the 64-bit version of SM2 upon a Merom, Conroe, or Woodcrest upon 64-bit Windows-XP. Also, Alex and I are preparing to build with compilers other than Microsoft, who do not have vectorization support in their compiler. More importantly, we will be utilizing Intel's and AMD's high performance math libraries to measure not only linear algebra but also signal processing (FFT) performance and utilize multiple cores as well. I think with these improvements, as well as integrating my Quantum Monte Carlo code SM2 will be greatly improved and offer people a better picture of performance.
Does somebody has a price list of all models when conroe hits market?
edit: got it
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/1...oe_pricing.jpg
Nice pricelist, but do you really think Intel is going to sell it's top-model for just $530? I don't think so, if you ask me it is more like 700/800 maybe even 900.
I guess that means you're still w/ AMD?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Wizard
The top model is the Xtreme edition and costs 1000 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vassili
Yes The XE will be the 3.33 Ghz with 1333 mhz fsb, it will comand the big price, it remains to be seen if it launchs at the same time, there will also be a 2.93 Ghz model again maybe not at launch. I think intel will make tons of money even selling the 2.4 for $316 the margins will be sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waus-mod
up up :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WoD
I am sure either Fugger or FCG tried it. If it didn't work on the WS that we KNOW FCG tried it on, it won't work on the -E either.
Yes, I believe FCG posted in here somewhere that it didn't work at this time, needs a Hardware revision I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoD
It is in this thread, or the one FCG/Fugger started.
Current WS boards with beta bios are still not working with Conroe.
I guess you missed this little bit from the demo/bench/report:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vassili
From:http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716&p=7Quote:
On the Intel front, there is a lot of time for performance optimization with regards to Conroe and its platforms. It’s also worth noting that the 2.66GHz E6700 we previewed here is simply a high end mainstream part, it is not an Extreme Edition flavor of Conroe. At 2.8 or 3.0GHz, a Conroe EE would offer even stronger performance than what we’ve seen here.
Whatever hapenned to Mr. VW?
why hasnt he posted any results lately?
did we see any AM2's SPi 1M/32M.
any prim95 for conroe(even if it is at stock)? or any stability tests?
I would like to see as many tests, benches, and tweaking as possible, on both platforms. Is there something wrong w/ the mobo he has?
This thread was about conroe results, but I see it drifting to no usefull info (about conroe). Dont let this thread die Mr. Wang.
He has the 32M results on his web blog .. 21 minutes I seem to recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by RimRam
Regards
Andy
Thanks for the info guys! :)
He's out of town on a business trip. He'll be back on the 23rd ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RimRam
P95 on a stock processor? :D I don't think there's anything wrong with the board perse, but it may be a reference board and there are no overclocking capabilities in the BIOS right now either, which is why we haven't seen any from him.Quote:
any prim95 for conroe(even if it is at stock)? or any stability tests?
I would like to see as many tests, benches, and tweaking as possible, on both platforms. Is there something wrong w/ the mobo he has?
I can't wait to see what happens when a BIOS gets in there that allows some tweaking. OCing aside, he's stuck with DDR2-533 (266FSB @ 1:1) and 5-5-5-15 because of the timings BySPD that he can't alter along with the rest of the stuff. It doesn't get any worse than that on DDR2 and the system still has amazing results.
Hopefully he'll have some new stuff coming up with the Conroe soon. Just be patient, he's obviously got a lot of stuff going on ATM.