Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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11-07-2010, 03:53 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

wow. do you understand the logistics of distribution and retail? it's in nvidia's best interest leave it to someone else. the reason why middlemen exist in the first place is to save the manufacturers money. the only tangible thing the AIB's do is put a sticker on the card, excluding custom cards. everything else is a service such as warranties, customer support, etc. yes, nvidia does that for quadro but that's a very different market where clients demand higher quality services such as custom drivers and 24hr support.

oh and just a question: why are you ranting about nvidia profiteering and not the AIB's? you blame nvidia for cutting them off yet you are ok with them profiteering throughout your arguments.:confused: who is allowed to profiteer?

Nothing wrong with Nvidia profiteering and would be no different to partners profiteering. The question is whether Nvidia is going to be culling some of it's partners, and if so how many?
11-07-2010, 03:58 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't think it does at all, it just indicates that the particular vendor is drop-shipping them.

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?
11-07-2010, 04:04 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

Makes sense both ways to me, and I really do doubt nVidia's doing direct sales suddenly. I think it's just that particular VENDOR (yoyotech) dropshipping, not nVidia's partners.
11-07-2010, 04:13 PM
Iconyu

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

The company that's selling them has them in stock, it's coming from their own warehouse. The news letter came from Yoyotech not nvidia, how the hell would 'Our warehouse' = 'nvidia's warehouse'?

I worry about this forum, every leap of logic seems to come from illegal drugs.
11-07-2010, 04:15 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by K404

So what are nVidia going to do (according to jowy)? Release the card at an inflated MSRP to satisfy their own profit margin*, sell a few bundles for launch day then announce a price cut in a few weeks for when the partners are being supplied?

Last time they did that, they gave everyone a refund for the people that payed the overpriced amount. E.g gtx 280, people that paid 650 got a 150 dollar rebate.
11-07-2010, 04:16 PM
GoldenTiger

http://www.buy.com/prod/engtx580-2di...218169534.html

No price listed yet...
11-07-2010, 04:29 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Except for in the picture I just posted proving this wrong. You know, the one where nvidia brands and boxes the cards themselves and screw the partners.

Partners might get token cards but will be blueballed on actual quantitative supply until nvidia has farmed the initial release cheese from their own sales initiative.

No.

You are mistaking a placeholder ad for an actual ad. Big mistake.

Plus, NVIDIA runs their own marketing campaigns in parallel with board partners' own.

Hence things like THIS.

Plus, I can promise you the ad you showed is not from NVIDIA but rather a creation from a retailer. So where does that leave your logic?
11-07-2010, 05:08 PM
zalbard

950MHz overclock sounds nice, especially on air. GTX480 was especially attractive on water, and it looks like things just get better! :up:
11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Plus, I can promise you the ad you showed is not from NVIDIA but rather a creation from a retailer. So where does that leave your logic?

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...9097119726.png

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.
11-07-2010, 05:47 PM
SandyTunnel

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

Ever notice when you need some expensive or fragile, it usually arrives via a DROP ship?

:)
11-07-2010, 05:49 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...9097119726.png

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.

What the, I think beside a couple guys, their is very little NV guys that stick out, they have so little at the moment.

Beside silicondoc(Who got banned crazy fast) who was crazy fanatical, the AMD side seems a quite a bit stronger in terms of people who seem to look like they are shills.
11-07-2010, 05:50 PM
Tha Last Meal

these streets keep me rollin :D
11-07-2010, 05:52 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.

aha...
so many bans on this topic i better not discuss offtopic. so 2 days for launch? is hc gonna have a review for us?
11-07-2010, 05:53 PM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

What the, I think beside a couple guys, their is very little NV guys that stick out, they have so little at the moment.

Beside silicondoc(Who got banned crazy fast) who was crazy fanatical, the AMD side seems a quite a bit stronger in terms of people who seem to look like they are shills.

One of the key employment terms is to act rational and fit in.
The more trollish AMD posters are, the less likely they are to be shills.

I wouldn't class myself on either side but it's undeniable that I hold a greater pro-amd stance due to more market manipulation and nerfing end users originating from nvidia's practices than ATI-amd.

It gets very boring farming new info on cards for both sides. That does lead to me becoming more tense and trollish myself and for that I apologize.

Maybe I'll take a break from 20 tabbing google searches.
11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

aha...
so many bans on this topic i better not discuss offtopic. so 2 days for launch? is hc gonna have a review for us?

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:
11-07-2010, 06:37 PM
-=DVS=-

Whoa is this for real ? hired forum members :eek: wonder how much they pay for trolling online :D
11-07-2010, 06:44 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

In light of that Issue I also do recall a couple of reviews (I believe was EVGA), where the watercooled version did in fact consume less power even if oc'ed when compared to the aircooled version of the same card, sounds like Nvidia is making good use of thermal performance this time around :D
11-07-2010, 06:47 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.
11-07-2010, 06:49 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.

I was very sure that vapor chamber tech has been around cooling systems (large commercial infrastructure) for a long time now...
11-07-2010, 06:54 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I was very sure that vapor chamber tech has been around cooling systems (large commercial infrastructure) for a long time now...

i suppose i only noticed the term being used in gfx cards couple of years ago. thx for the reply
11-07-2010, 06:56 PM
Your_Boss

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Originally Posted by saaya

noise and temps are very important to me, so i love that they focus on that...
but... i dont like how they present it as their own tech and invention and idear...
i mean vapor chambers have been around for quite a while...
am i the only one who thinks its weird that the only thing they talk about when it comes to the 580 is the heatsink? a third party component? hmmm

then again, its just a pre-launch leak...
which makes it a pre-pre-paper release
and a pre-pre-pre-release
and a pre-pre-prep-pre cards are available in some shops in some regions

hah... really funny huh?
in the 21st century both hw and software companies have managed to fully streamline introductions of new products :D
everything is available or presented a LONG time (to some extend) before retail availability :D

Yeah, all he did in the presentation is talk about the cooler of which tech we already have and how quiet it is..um, yeah, also because of the cooler.

Nothing in that presentation says anything about the actual chip. And, yeah I know it wasn't a chip or card launch so why then even mention that stuff. Why don't you just say, "Hey, we finally got a good aftermarket HSF and its cooler and quieter. That's all he had to say. :confused:

And as some other poster on here said, that city demo has been around for over a month on Youtube so....?:confused:

He wouldn't let anyone see the card in the case because he didn't want to show the wood screws I guess. :ROTF:

I bet inside the case was some GTX480 SLI setup and they just removed the video connectors from the 2nd card and replaced it with a solid plate to make it look like a single card was installed. :D

Hey, I'm just saying...its possible. ;)
11-07-2010, 07:00 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

As long as acoustics are kept in check.
11-07-2010, 07:00 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.

Even if it was patented, NVIDIA could still use it if their supplier was paying the patent holder. Who knows, maybe their supplier IS the patent holder. :up:
11-07-2010, 07:01 PM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

That's why I asking to test GF100 with GF110 HS previously Myke :D
11-07-2010, 07:01 PM
Iconyu

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

Have you tested the 580 cooler on a 480?

Edit Hive mind...

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