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Originally Posted by uOpt
the idea is that amd doesnt need the cache as the access is direct to memory meaning it can get data faster, therefore it doesnt need to store as much "temp" information.
4mb suites conroe well and helps make the lack of the memory controller a non issue.
I remember the P4 article at emulators dot com. How hardware sites ignored that article, how much peoples feared AMD's death. Now we all know the truth about the P4. That dude was right, AMD showed intel how to make cpu's and now intel is showing they've learned their lesson.
I believe AMD could easily beat Conroe, if you compare some of the benchmarks and what Conroe has more than the Athlon. You can see that AMD doesn't have to "Redisign" the Athlon to make it faster.
Double FPU, more L2 Cache (perhaps L3) More Mhz, will make it difficult for intel to impress the public.
I don't understand why peoples always underestimate AMD while they've show us many times by now that they can do anything intel can, and better.
AMD has always come up with something to show they're on top of it.
When will we be able to buy Conroe ?
I've managed to get one. Should have it this weekend... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
:D we havnt seen conroe oc yet . and the boards running them is another thing .:banana: ofcours one can find tests to favour .but a super pi in 20 secs and standard clk , seems fast enough for me .lol
besides from that ,i think the article is worth reading ,maybe there is something to it . maybe not . lets just all hope the conroe will oc just as good if not better ,than most of the earlier cpu_s.
and yes ,im all intel . lol
#892 sounds great .so lets see if it can booot
Retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
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Are you sure it supports Conroe?Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
"Some sources in the industry claim that Intel’s processors code-named Conroe have higher performance compared to AMD’s solutions, which is why a mainboard that supports Conroe may be more attractive to enthusiasts compared to platforms for AMD microprocessors. While Albatron is vague about Conroe support by PX975X, the insiders within the company said that the new chip will in fact be supported."
Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/edi...t2006-3_5.html
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Originally Posted by TarTheDark
I've brought this and another link to this thread. Question is whether it is sure or only rumours.
No. not retail. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plaicd
Any idea of when it will go retail?
Victor, have you confirmed what stepping the chip is?
BTW, I asked about the Sciencemarks scores over at Aces, and Redpriest (one of the guys who works on Sciencemark) had this to say:
A good explanation, and depending on what stepping Victor is using, it may explain the other anomalies.Quote:
Conroe's score is amazing.
Keep in mind that he tested both the Pentium-M optimized binary and the Pentium 4 binary. Out of both binaries, the Pentium 4 was faster. This is compiled with Intel's latest *publicly* available compiler.
Conroe is more similar to the Pentium-M than to the Pentium 4, but the binary doesn't utilize Conroe's wider resources. In *scalar* code, x87 code is generated by the Pentium 4 optimized binary because the Pentium 4 can't execute pipelined scalar sse adds, but can in x87 mode. (I had thought this was not the case but Intel's optimization guide says this is the case, I'm not sure if I 100% believe that, but given that x87 code was generated with the most aggressive flags possible -- sse/sse2 code was used sparingly in with some of the x87 code).
I imagine that if you ran the 64-bit binary Conroe's lead would widen even more.
What I am perplexed about is why Conroe bombs on the encryption code -- the entire instruction mix consists of BSWAP, XOR, and various MOV instructions, none of which are micro-coded on other processors, and no jump instructions. With Conroe's wide integer resources, I don't see why this is the case. I'm guessing there is an address generation limitation, but since I don't have a Conroe I can't really test that theory. It's a blind guess.
In any case, I see this as a *strong* showing for Conroe, not a weak one as the blogger claims. In the benchmarks that matter (BLAS, MolDyn, Primordia) Conroe is at least equal to if not exceeding an Athlon at the same clock speed. The fact that in 32-bit mode, an Athlon64 clocked 400 mhz higher cannot exceed Conroe's performance gap is telling.
I can't wait for a 64-bit run....
Haven't you seen any of the AM2 performance previews? I don't think the 2-3% better performance of AM2/DDR2-800 over S939/DDR400 is going to be quite enough to hang with Conroe. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis
Also, how many years have dual-core K8s been available now?
6 months? Where did you hear that? Most sources are indicating July or August Conroe availability. You can pay $1000 now for a FX60, $1200 in June for a FX62 or $300 for a FX62 spanking E6600 in July or August. What makes more sense to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackanz
ScienceMark was not written to show the power of the Athlon -- ScienceMark has been around for a while, in the 1.0 incarnation and in the 2.0 incarnation; and we receive no help from either AMD or Intel in regards to the benchmark. Any software or hardware is bought out of our own pocket -- I have bought numerous Pentium 4 machines and Pentium M machines, and I imagine when Conroe becomes available for me to purchase, I will purchase a Conroe as well.
Carfax posted my reply over at Aces' (thanks Carfax for posting it here) -- Intel actually recommends using x87 in scalar situations over SSE on the Pentium 4, due to x87 adds being pipelined. 64-bit code will probably be
Conroe shines in ScienceMark because it is a *strong* architecture. Anyone seeing the benchmark results will realize that.
The writers of ScienceMark are hardware enthusiasts, just like you folks -- we love seeing how our code performs on different architectures, and if an architecture is strong in our code, we have no problem shouting it from the rooftops.
Conroe is slated to launch in Q3-06 and most indications are that it will be early in Q3. AMD says that they will introduce 65nm desktop cpus sometime in Q1-07 but do you really think they can ramp them to well over 3GHz that quickly to minimize Conroe's huge performance advantage? The 3 months you speak of looks more like 6 months to me and even then, we're not talking about any sort of performance parity but only closing the gap a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mesyn191
As for pricing, AMD will have to cut their prices in half or more just to acheive some sort of price/performance parity with Conroe, if currently released prices hold true. This time around it isn't Intel we have to worry about overcharging for their cpus, it's AMD. $1236 for a FX62 is a joke when Intel will be offering a faster E6600 for $316.
Indeed it did. By 15-30%!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazu
IMHO it's a great time to sell overvalued AMD stock before it plummets again and buy undervalued Intel stock. AMD is not a bad investment but it's stock price is artificially high right now and Intel's is artificially low. AMD is struggling to borrow money to buy 65nm equipment for fab 36 and facing a huge price/performance deficit for the next year while Intel is as financially sound as ever with a vastly superior cpu architecture about to launch in a few months. Although AMD's stock value has larger peaks and valleys, making it a better potential short-term investment, it's current price is about as high as it will ever go. Intel doesn't swing from $15-40/share as AMD does but $20/share is a bargain since it will almost certainly hit close to $30/share again within a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
Hi, First post. :banana:
Anyway, I've been a long time viewer of about 4 years now but just now registering, bad me. :slapass:
Conroe looks good so far of what I've seen. My guess is it will get 17 sec in 1M SPi if clocked to about 3GHz. Just my guess. I will look out for AM2 as well when it arrives. ;)
problem with intel stock right now is that analyst predict lower profit margins this year (bad for profits)
Tell me about it.
And some have closed the book as thu conroe/AM2 have come and gone, and perfectly clear that "conroe is smoking AMD", "AMD is bankrupt because of conroe", and we conroe users just have to buy Intel stocks and AMD users have to sell AMD stocks. CLOWNS
STOP TRASHING
I really would like to check this mobo out. Too bad that it's not available yet... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Godspeed. Hopefully we'll finally see some overclocking results from Conroe :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy