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Hey pentium777 how much louder is your rig now that you are using the XP90 that uses a smaller fan that 'should' make more noise :)
I have found my XP120 great because of the near silent running
Oh and BTW the VX stuff is similar to the G.Skill GH I think which is new BH-5 :)
Well not too bad because I am using a 92mm 72CFM fan from sidewinder linkQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de92ff1.html
^^ Admins if this is against policy please remove it, it is purely for informational purposes definately not advertising.
Only 42.5db which might be too loud for some people I don't know. I do know that the crappy ThermalTake fans that came with my Tsunami Dream while very very silent pushed practically nothing for air. Cost me some $ to replace the fans but it is really a Tsunami in there and my clocks for video and cpu are fantasic for air cooling.
As far as overall sound, I have a P3-800 as a server in here full tower 7 HDDs, my rig in sig, my wife's P4-3.46EE which her case matches mine same cooling since she has a 6800 Ultra, Astaro Firewall Mini ATX case 2.4Celeron couple RPM adjusting fans in there, but the biggest noise of all is the Windchaser 9000 BTU Portable AC unit this overrides all other noisemakers in the room so when it is on, which is most of the time I'm in here I can't hear any computer fans. All of this equipment in a 12x10x7 L/W/H computer room
I've spent most of the morning dual priming at 2.75G 1.61v and temps are around 52-54c CPU, 54-57c PWM IC, 38c Chipset, also I am in FTL, FL it is 93'F outside! and humidity probably close to 100%, when I turn off room AC and turn up house AC to 83'F CPU is 60-62c, PWM IC 63c+ etc this is with dual core priming though, will be finding out what it is at idle Monday when I go to work.
Unfortunately with a 210G saltwater aquarium fully decked out with a chiller (cools water), 900Watts of lighting, Pool Pump running 5 hours a day, HDTivo and all the computer equipment with the AC my electric bill skyrocketed to a $287 lifetime high for me. In comparison last year at my condo before buying the house with wife etc I had a $100-$120 electric bill during the summer :(
This MAY be because I don't have the AMD CPU Driver installed, I am not sure but here is what I found with my troubleshooting.
I run XP SP2 with 2 workstations and a Windows Server 2003 Standard server with Exchange 2003 installed.
I noticed Event Viewer messages with the following information:
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1054
Date: 8/13/2005
Time: 1:21:08 PM
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer: PENTIUM
Description:
Windows cannot obtain the domain controller name for your computer network. (An unexpected network error occurred. ). Group Policy processing aborted.
Naturally you will only see this if joined to a domain controller. The fix? well I tried many many fixes but finally at the end of my troubleshooting and using gpupdate /force over and over to test, I found a racing condition existing with the dual cores, used my patent pending explorer.exe set to one core fix. Voila when the gpupdate.exe runs (runs so fast I had to turn on dual prime to slow it down to confirm only one core was selected) it does not error and shows:
Event Type: Information
Event Source: SceCli
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1704
Date: 8/13/2005
Time: 1:21:08 PM
User: N/A
Computer: PENTIUM
Description:
Security policy in the Group policy objects has been applied successfully.
Now just for more info, this issue only occurred occasionally definately NOT everytime it is very random and the reason I investigate so much is because some of the solutions pointed to NIC communication issues, naturally with online gaming and my home network which I use for work also I did not want networking issues, also I'm using the Marvel LAN Adapter because I read somewhere it used less CPU.
I ran the group policy update 20 times in a row and not a single error in application viewer, definately a racing condition which was one idea someone had on eventid.net but he didn't provide much info on it really. Of course I really don't care about the group policy erroring occasionally I don't have a need to have group policys on my home network and the fact it errors once in a while doesn't mean much to me now that I know the reason.
Thought I'd put this message up because it kind of goes with the other racing conditions mentioned here for gaming and how setting one core to the application / game corrects the issue. Hope this helps people out and saves someone time.
They are supposed to be BH-5. I'm thinking of buying some TCCD ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Talk to OCZ and see if they can help, been very helpful to me over teh years.Quote:
Originally Posted by YanBooth
Confirm with prying heatspreaders a bit and look real close with a flashlight or remove the spreaders (probably more difficult) I never removed mine from my Corsair PC3500 BH-5 but I pried them enough to verify BH-5Quote:
Originally Posted by spiroh
I think you will find with a little more research (I dont have the link handy ATM) that the Nvidia native controller uses fewer CPU cycles :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
I am wondering if someone here can help a bit ...
I am trying to oc my x2 4400+ on an Asus A8N Premium with 2x512 G.Skill La memory and i'm having a couple of questions and issues.
1) Asus probe 2.23.026 indicates Vcore of 1.344 when i choose any Vcore settings between 1.3 and 1.4625V in the bios. Then when i choose 1.475V in the bios 'asus probe' indicates 1.456V.
Does this happen to anyone else with an X2 cpu and an A8N SLI Premium motherboard?
2) Bearing in mind the above is happening, i am forced to use a Vcore of 1.475V in the bios, reported to be 1.456V by both Asus probe and Speedfan. When running at 10x250 =2.5GHz with 2 Prime95 (1 on each core) i get temperatures of 56 Celsius when the motherboard/chipset temperature is reported 40 Celsius. That Vcore and the temperature should be ok (i.e. not too high) or? What voltages do you use with x2 cpu's and what temperatures do you get? what is considered safe?
3) I have not tried anything above 10x250 = 2.5GHz although bearing in mind that my x2 4400 does 2.4GHz with Vcore 1.344V (reported by asus probe and Speedfan) i guess that if i leave Vcore to 1.465V (as mentioned in 2 above) i could try 255 or 260. But then would the stock AMD heatsink/fan still be ok, or should i use something like an Thermaltake XP120?
IHS still on. Nothing extreme on the ram , but it's generic samsung chips that don't OC for squat anyway ...
http://199.202.73.113/mb/0365578/X2/2.8_X2.JPG
I'm getting a new Swiftech Storm block tomorrow so let's see if this can go higher .
Well, I fixed my problem! I took my DRAM:FSB from 200 (1:01) to 166 (3:05).
I wish there was a way to fix that without having to slow my RAM way down.
Yan
1. Mainboard software to monitor is generally off compared to bios readings... IE: I am running 1.61v and software says 1.56vQuote:
Originally Posted by skipio
2. First your vcore is rather low for higher overclocks, you'll want to try 1.5, 1.525, 1.55 for +2.5G and temp WILL go up, safe is up to 60'C lower always being better, 65'C is AMD's posted MAX
3. You might want to try 11x multi as I could not do 2.7G with 10x270 but now I'm at 250x11 (2.75G) where the 10x multi would cause strange issues, some people report 10x multi working better for them then 11x also so you'll have to experiment. You will definately NOT want to use stock HSF for high overclocks >2.5G, I recommend XP-90C, I had a XP-120 and it wasn't as efficient cooling as the XP-90C (tested both) plus the XP-90C works in most every MB unlike the XP-120
Hey guys, I was in this thread for about 5 mins before my DFI mobo blew..
I am back now with an ABIT AN8 SLI and ready for action.
A couple quick questions, I am running air cooling for the time being (liquid cooling will be here in 2 weeks)
What voltages are considered safe?
My mobo is reporting temps a little high (classic ABIT) but what is high enough to damage?
So far the highest I can seem to run at dual core stable is 11x240 fsb @ 1.65 v
temps are extremely hot, reporting 70+ degrees so I cant stay here very long.
It will go into windows and play games etc @ 11x250 but not even single core prime stable.
I think I am hitting a heat wall here. Any suggestions?
My goal is 11x250 stable as I am running VX mem so this is the sweetspot.
Could someone please explain how these new mem multipliers work on the E revision cpus? I now have 433 466 and 500 options...how does this affect mem? I tried 433 multi and went into windows...cpuz reported mem speed at liek 120 mhz...is that right?
Oh yeah, I dont ever think I could own a single core system again, performance, response, and overall usablity of the system is through the roof!
65'C is AMD's publicly stated on their website MAX for this chip, not even single core stable? You got serious issues with stability then my friend, going to have to do something, I'm on air and around 55-58'C and that's dual core 1.6v @ 2.75G priming, while I am only about 5-10 hours dual core stable before one of them gets a rounding error this is only due to a bit of heat, if I keep my room AC around 72'F ambient I can dual core for longer but I can single core prime unlimited on either core so for me it is 100% stable until someday I'm running dual cpu 100% for many hours then I might have to back to 2.7GQuote:
Originally Posted by dsumanik
Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Thank you for your reply!
1) Ok, mainboard software and bios don't show the same Vcore in general. But thats not the problem. The problem is that all Vcore settings betweeen 1.3 and 1.4625 (in the bios) are reported as 1.344 in asus probe and speedfan. One would expect a progressive relative increase on both the bios and the monitoring software.
2) According to monitoring software i get 2.4GHz@1.344V and 2.5GHz@1.456V. I think that if the issue above did not exist it is very likeley i could do 2.5GHz at Vcore below 1.45V. So i guess i'll leave the voltage as is and simply find out what it can do max at this voltage as long as it remains below 60 degrees.
3) Did you try both the XP90 and the XP120 with a 92mm fan or with 92 and 120 fans respectively? The reason i mentioned the XP120 is that i could borrow my old XP120 which is on my old system which is now my brothers system and avoid buying a new heatsink.
I suppose you have the A8N SLI premium? Which bios do you use? It seems that untill 1005 and 1006 it seems that the DDR433, DDR466 and DDR500 are not independent from the cpu fsb. To test set in the bios the cpu at 240x10 then go and set the memory to DDR466 or DDR500. Then go back to the cpu settings, are they now greyed out? Save the bios and boot, go in windows and check 'my computer', 'properties', 'general' and it will probably not report 2.4GHz. I have this issue, i have seen others report it on forums and i have seen it also in a review. It seems that Asus may have not yet fully implemented the new DDR multipliers in bios 1005 and 1006. This may be /have been corrected with bios 1007 (still beta) which i haven't tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by dsumanik
Then again it may only be happening with some mobos only, i'm not sure.
Sorry, i am using the the ABIT AN8 fatal1ty SLI not ASUS A8N Premium.
Bios 16
Ooops, somehow mixed up abid and asus. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by dsumanik
Can't comment about your board unfortunately as this is the first AMD and nforce board I've had.Quote:
Originally Posted by skipio
Voltage seems to be ok up to 1.6 some people even run higher up to 1.7 which I would consider dangerous.
I ran a panaflo real nice 120mm fan on that XP-120, the XP-120 certainly is decent but not as good as the XP-90C from my testing but of course that depends on many factors like ambient temp, case airflow etc, if you got the XP-120 free and it will work might as well use that.
Mine X2 4400+ at 3.2GHz......... :D
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=33428
http://www.pctechnology.gr/vbull/vb/...tid=7680&stc=1
Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Thanks for all the advice pentium777!
When i have time to unmount the XP120 from brothers sytem and move it on mine, i will give it a go and see how much better from the stock AMD heatsink it is. Could you please tell me how much did you gain in degrees celsius with the XP90?
As for the voltage, i think for the time beeing i'll stick on the conservative side and try to avoid Vcore voltages over 1.5V and i'll see where that gets me with the XP120.
Thanks.
You have any screenshots of dual core stable for X hours on Prime large and small FFT?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorLite
Hard to give an exact figure on the gain to the XP-90C it really depends on ambient temp etc, I noticed though when my room temp was a bit higher and I was dual core priming I got about 3-4'C lower temps sometimes up to 5'C if room was colder with my AC on.Quote:
Originally Posted by skipio
Let us know how you do at 1.5v and what temps, also you will notice a huge difference from stock HSF to XP-XXX especially under load.
The XP90c may be better cooling but for quiet cooling IMHO the XP120 is hard to beat :)
And the verdict for #1 air cooler is: Big Typhoon (especially for quiet cooling).
My X2 3800+ sucks....under a single stage phase change it can only dual-prime stable at 2.80ghz @1.64v with IHS OFF!! I'd remount the evaporator so many times that I can now do it with an eye closed while I'm eating hamburger...but the darn thing still won't crack 2.80G. Bought a 4200+ couple days ago and I'm having a better luck this time, I won't bother with any SuperPI 1M at super high clock speed or any suicide screenshot, I'm still dual-priming with my TCCD ram and so far here is what it was running at with Redline XP4000:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=35867
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=35868
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=35870
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=35869