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I feel your pain Titan, just bought a WD Caviar Black 2TB and Windows 7 64 bit home premium family pack (and office as well), and I'm still running a 4850 and would like to replace my c3 with a more willing stepping, or go straight to thuban. And if I upgrade my video card, especially for a crossfire setup or a high end card, I'll likely end up needing a new power supply as well. And then there's that pesky waterblock. I had hoped there might be vid cards at the end of chapter 2, but so many others had great results!

But we do it because we love it. Now if only our wives and girlfriends had the same passion for hardware :rofl:

BTW, installed everything except the latest catalyst drivers before I left for work this morning (and was tempted to call in sick ;)) so I should finally get at some benches tonight. I don't care if I don't have the best stuff, I just wanna play!

Hey everyone, My MSI 890 board is up and running. I made a JSPI1 cable and programmed the FlashROM from another PC that had a LPT port.

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Originally Posted by Daveburt714

Well Folks...
Welcome to the world of Water Cooling beta! :clap: :D

If your feeling frisky with the cash, this block is cheap and VERY nice for the price!
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16835708019
It may be able to lower your temps a few more degrees....

BTW: Something seems to be seriously wrong with your Heaven bench... :p:

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Thanks Dave! It looks like a nice block, unfortunately it's far more expensive here, almost double price. Maybe I'll be able to find a used one though.. but first I need to replace the tubing and connectors with some decent quality stuff.

charged, be careful with that thing now!

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Hey everyone, My MSI 890 board is up and running. I made a JSPI1 cable and programmed the FlashROM from another PC that had a LPT port.

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That must have been a really nice eureka moment. Congrats on raising the dead!

Thanks guy's, and yes it was an exciting moment :D Below is what i did.

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First, I would like to thank the owner of this site, which I got my connection settings from. http://rayer.ic.cz/elektro/spipgm.htm
I also need to thank the users on the thread here in this forum for there post, Jack T.N. and Mamluk here http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=133578.0
I used the following ,
I made my flash drive boot ready using HP's USB format tool. I used boot files from a startup up disk I made from winxp when formating the floppy to boot. The I browsed to this floppy disk as the source for my boot file when formatting my flash drive. I downloaded SPIPGM.zip from http://www.volny.cz/rayer/programm/programe.htm and extracted the files to the flash drive. I also downloaded and extracted CWSDPMI6.ZIP from the same site ( you will need to scroll to find the download links, the CWSDPMI6.ZIP was at the top and the SPIPGM.zip was near the bottom). I have all files on the root of the flash drive, none are in folders. I copied my bios file I wanted to flash with, also to the root of the flsah drive. I plugged in a power supply to my crippled board but did not power it on (this supply's standby power to the board, There is no need to power the system on, just use a volt meter to verify 3.3v on pin 1 on the JSPI1 or pin 8 on the FlashROM). I then hooked my home-made JSPI1 cable to the JSPI1 connector on the bad board. See image below,
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/jspi1-connector.png

The connections were
LPT Pin --to--> JSPI1 Pin
10 (150 ohm RES) 3
9 (150 ohm RES) 4
8 (150 ohm RES) 6
7 (150 ohm RES) 5
I then powered on my good PC that had the LPT port and did a boot from my flash drive. I typed the following at the command prompt

CWSDPMI

SPIPGM /u

SPIPGM /e

SPIPGM /p A7642AMS.120 (your bios file here)

The program did not know the FlashROM and I was prompter to enter the size, i enter the 2048. I then disconnected the cable and powered on the bad board. It came right up.

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Good job. :clap: I’ve been looking for a dancing partner for quite a while now. :)

I know you have already had trouble with a bad bios flash but I recommend you go straight to bios version 1.2. I've been getting better memory speed and timings than I had in bios version 1.0.

BTW I think it would be very helpful to others that are having this same problem (bad bios flash) if you would start a thread describing the process of building and using the JSPI1 cable. I know I would be interested in gaining this knowledge. :up:

I actually did use 1.2, i had a typo above in my post. It was a generic bios file name in my instructions. I brought the board to work with me to flash it, since I have no running systems with LPT ports. I'll throw the board in tonight if i can, i have to work on the mower tonight also.

Well I had a chance to sit down and run a quick test. Haven't pushed anything, just put in settings I knew would work to see if the board good.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d06-4.1-900.jpg

Ok, had to work late and then spend some time with my wife :)

So here's a quick baseline with my daily driver settings, with everything reinstalled on the new HD and windows 7 64 bit home premium. I wanted to get something posted before Simon blew the whistle...

There you go Dave, I only have a 4850. I don't expect there is much left in it unless I break out the #2 pencil. The cpu can likely be pushed, but it isn't the equal of yours. I'm running 3875, 2750 nb, 1666 777 1T.

Edit: there is more in the 4850, i just have to find it :)

AMD Phenom II X4 965BE C3
Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P F6 BIOS
2X2GB G.Skill F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws DDR3 1600
ATI Radeon 4850
Swiftech 3/8 ID water: MCP655|MCW6000-A|MCW50|MCR220(4X120mm 2200rpm push/pull)|Radbox|Micro Res
OCZ Powerstream 520
Thermaltake Tsunami Dream
Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium


Bear with me, first time with photobucket.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...02010/rig1.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...10/3dmark2.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...10/heaven2.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...cinebench2.jpg

Corrected the screenies. Still at daily driver on the cpu, but I upped the gpu a bit.

My 4850 did 730 on stock volts :/

835 with a pencil mod...

I remember BeepBeep. RIP :(

It definitely needs the volts, I'm already seeing a little tearing even at 675/1125. It doesn't get very hot (under water) so I may give it a try.

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Originally Posted by theoldtimer

BTW I think it would be very helpful to others that are having this same problem (bad bios flash) if you would start a thread describing the process of building and using the JSPI1 cable. I know I would be interested in gaining this knowledge. :up:

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I missed this part of your post. I might do this. i need to get my brain working and my typing skills together. i am pretty bad at write ups:p: It was actually very easy once i had the cable made.

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Originally Posted by Grinder

I remember BeepBeep. RIP :(

It definitely needs the volts, I'm already seeing a little tearing even at 675/1125. It doesn't get very hot (under water) so I may give it a try.

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Well, it's not completely dead...:ROTF:

It still does 690 @ stock volts, 750 after voltmod...or course thats WAY down from before and stability kept decreasing

I remember one of my 4850's. it did 800 easy. I still have that card, though, I have to hold pressure on the back of the card, this I mean, pushing it forward, or it pixelizes badly and won't run 3d :p:

Grinder, Glad you got everything running and was able to post!!

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/Deneb/3dm....8-1.6-2.8.JPG

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Originally Posted by Daveburt714

Heaven (best score @ 24/7 clocks):

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...eaven_Best.png

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i think that's a pretty good score for a 24/7 clock, dave :up:

no matter how i tried, i could never beat or even match that score on a heavily overclocked 4770 1050/1150 1.3v cpu running at 4.4ghz

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4980/uninginea.png

i think your video card still kicks-ass :D

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

I missed this part of your post. I might do this. i need to get my brain working and my typing skills together. i am pretty bad at write ups:p: It was actually very easy once i had the cable made.

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That would be great and maybe some photos also.:up:

I've updated my screenies above. These were my 24/7 settings, but clearly I hadn't really spent the time to push the 4850. Based on your comments, I revisited it and had no problem @700/1100. Duh. :confused:

I'll look later to locate the pencil mod and find out what util to use to push it past 700. I can't remember if I need a bios flash or something other than ati overdrive. For now, I need to go to the hardware store and buy materials to build a gazebo!

Still need to find my cpu limits for these as well, but at least I'm up and running. I had an earlier 3dmark run at 4250 during the fixed multiplier challenge, but the score was a bit lower. Unfortunately, it's not nearly as cold out now.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a.../17x250fan.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...x250status.jpg

Do my results seem low here? This is 3dmark05 on 995 core on the vid.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...0-1600-995.jpg

i didnt run 05 so not sure where your scores should be. i have screens of 06 on w7 64bit w/ 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100, 1140, 1150mhz core & then a few more w/ 1100mhz core & sideport mem speeds from default up to 1700mhz if you want to do some 06 :p:

well here is a 3d06 I set 1000 in bios and windows shows 995, not as impressive looking. I might put a fan on the chipset and see if I can go higher.

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/HD4290/3d...0-1600-995.jpg

looks about right, took me 1.4v on the nb

edit: also you should try with uma to 256mb instead of 512mb

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...0core14nbv.jpg

Charged3800z24 below is one of my 3d05 scores but I had the CPU running about 200MHz faster than yours in that test but the IGP wasn’t clocked up as much as yours. I’d say your score looks in line with my score.

You were talking about placing a fan on the NB to help cool the IGP, I did that for all the tests except for the ones I had the NB under a waterblock. Anyway I touched the heatsink on the NB when it was clocked @1000MHz and it didn’t feel hot, maybe warm but not hot. Water cooling my NB didn’t gain me anything more for clock speed.

Fact is after running mine at 1000MHz for a few dozen tests it began to black screen and now the max IGP clock I can test is 960-980MHz. Maybe your IGP will be stronger than mine but based on my tests it appears as though I should have set 950MHz or less as the max safe overclock for this one.

I ran my last test with this MSI today though, as it died from forgetfulness. All the hammering on this thing and it held-up test after test even at up to 1.7v vcore with 2X4870x2’s overclocked. I had a cooling system water leak that ran water all the way across the MB but I just dried it out and fired it right back up and started testing again. This last one was different though I hooked up the chilled to run a couple of short tests but forget to insulate the upper side, lower edge of the waterblock and a small area of hose above the waterblock. Condensation from the waterblock after the testing when the frost melted killed this little jewel. I’ve had durability problems in the past with the MSI GD70 but this little MSI 890GX has proven durable at least for me. R.I.P. little MSI. Sorry Simon.

3DMark05
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...t6725score.png

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Originally Posted by theoldtimer

This last one was different though I hooked up the chilled to run a couple of short tests but forget to insulate the upper side, lower edge of the waterblock and a small area of hose above the waterblock. Condensation from the waterblock after the testing when the frost melted killed this little jewel. I’ve had durability problems in the past with the MSI GD70 but this little MSI 890GX has proven durable at least for me. R.I.P. little MSI. Sorry Simon.

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I been taking it easy, been afraid to really push it. It has seemed just as stable as my MA790FXT-UD5P, temps lowerd on the 965 a smidge, NB OCs better and the board run over all cooler. Which might explain the drop in CPU temp. BTW, I been known to bring these boards back to life:p:. I must say though, I had a leak on my UD5P and it shut off and wouldn't power pack on even after I dried it. I pull the batter and power, of course, and let it set over night. It worked the next day.

Haven't benched 3d in a while, so gave it a go :)
Ambient was ~22C


3DM06
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o..._amb22smal.png

Heaven, pre-set settings
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...5_amb22sma.png

Cine
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...amb22small.png

And the setup
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...240002crop.jpg

965 C3, Giga 790fxt-ud5p, 2x2Gb ocz plat, 5870 1Gb, W7 64bit, Cat 10.3 ogl4 preview.
3x Alphacool 120x3, 2x MCP655B + EK dual top, EK Supreme HF, EK FC5870