Even then I don't believe anyting on the slide. The slide says the GTX-280 is 103% faster then the HD3870X2 overall. I only believe impartial reviewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
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Even then I don't believe anyting on the slide. The slide says the GTX-280 is 103% faster then the HD3870X2 overall. I only believe impartial reviewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
Why not? It's quite possible. If GTX280 is around 20% faster than 9800GTX2 it's close to 100% faster than 3870X2 in many games. Less in some more in others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
A lot. Cat 8.3 date from 4 March. To Cat 8.6 (begining June) will be 3 months difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
But you know, those benchmarks are from PR Nvidia. They don´t use Cat 8.5 for a simple reason. The graph will look diferent.
For example, the Cat 8.5 release Notes:
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The following performance gains are noticed with this release of Catalyst™.
* Call of Juarez DX10: Performance increases up to 12% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD 3xx0 series of product
* Halo: Performance increases by 10-30% across all of the supported ATI Radeon™ series of products
* Lost Planet DX10: Performance increases from 5 to 35% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD 3xx0 series of product
* Stalker DX9: Performance increases by 20-50% when HDR is enabled in the game; across all ATI Radeon™ HD38x0 series of products
* World in Conflict DX10: Performance increases up to 25% on systems containing an ATI Radeon™ HD36x0 and/or an ATI Radeon™ 38x0 series of product. Higher performance gains are noticed on systems contianing an ATI Radeon™ 3870x2 series of product
Shouldn’t they’ve put GX2 in that slide instead of 3870 X2 ‘cos GTX280 is replacement for GX2’s price segment…
So this amounts to something like (faster than 3870X2):Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
GTX280 -- 125% 83% 81% 48% 150?% 110% 108% 38% 58% 150%
GTX260 ----- 75% 55% 50% 25% 150% 65% 70% 15% 30% 133%
Well either way if according the release note only game in comparison here ( and I bet Nvidia chose the ones that work the best on their hardware) only in World in Conflict ( if DX10 run) the green bars would be a bit lower in this Nvidia Graph...(unless previous cats improved the other games too : too lazy too look there)Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Secondly I've seen this being mentioned many times that overal performance improves but 25% that's a big one mate...like going form 20 laggy to 25 playable frames with same hardware...
But overall if we can believe the data, these Nvidiots are gonna be screamers on ya screen and in ya pocket too... and they are in a total diferent market segment then 3870X2 which cost half the price...
Hard to compare these cards bang for the buck....
Crysis + 1920x1200 (very HIGH) = 2009 !
Those results (if remotely true) are all over the place. Specially the differences between 260 and 280. Look at how the 260 is on par with the 280 in COJ and, the 260 is nearly as good as the 280 in WOC? While in other games like:
Fear
COD4
UT3
results are hardly impressive. In most cases the 260/280 tries to be at least 1.8 times better then the X2 but it still fell short in Fear, COD4 and UT3. When you look at it from this POV results are up here, down there. The 260 ties the 280 here and just as good 280 there. In all, performance results are all over the board!
but the 3870x2 gets the same in all games i don't think so
The 1.00 represents 1x 3870X2 performance... so of course it's not going to vary from itself!Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
Hehe,Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
No, the graph doesn't show FPS. It shows percentage. The HD3870x2 stays always at 100%, so you can see how much percent the GTX-260 and 280 are better then the HD3870x2
just PR spin
Even though CJ has some reputation, these graphs must always be looked at with very careful eyes... Drivers were not the best for HD3870X2, and it's a nVidia graph, comparing a rival product. If it were from a reviewer, it would have much more meaning, IMO, if done with the right settings.
Mind is, always look at info like this as not being the real truth, but nVs perspective about it ;)
It's not CJ's own graph - he just sent in nvidia's PR one
Heh... pretty bad scores on those slides. 50-70% faster than a 3870X2 on average for the GTX 260, yet a pair of 8800GT 512's in SLI runs about 50% faster on its own, costing $250-300, versus the GTX 260 for $450 with only 10-15% better performance per these charts to that setup. I just pulled my eBay listings for my pair of cards just in case... hedging my bets ;). Especially with the fact that these are nV slides (if true) that would indicate a favorable setting for the GTX 260/280, meaning the difference could be smaller. I find it interesting it shows some of them as 2x faster or more but in those ones it shows the 260/280 as both very high which makes it odd.
Where do I say it's CJ's graph???????Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Damn it man, read the god damned post correctly.
Where was I responding to you :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
a little edgy aren't weQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Maybe a bit, my day wasn't properly a bright sunshiny day, I apologize if was too impetuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
I prefer to buy a single Gpu card like the G200 than the 3870x2 , even if the performance are not so good as we could expect .
At least in this case , there will be no problem with the driver for the futur games ! :)
^ That reminds me of Cid from Final Fantasy 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
"Sit your ass down in that chair and drink your goddamn TEA!" :p:
Sorry just had to. ^^
So shouldn't we see some leaked benchmarks soon? :p:
You guys are really under rating the 3870X2...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
In alot of games ( besides Crysis ), its beating the Ultra quite alot...
http://bp1.blogger.com/_veswGS4uNJQ/.../08_result.png
If the GTX280 really is twice as fast as the 3870X2 without the pain in the ass that is crossfire/sli, then its a huge improvement imo..
A single card that is twice as fast as the Ultra, what do want?
Guys expecting it to be much faster ( 50% ) than a 9800gx2 in games that scale well are crazy imo...
4870 vs GTX 260 should be quite interesting :)
Perkam
Cat 8.3 vs Cat 8.4+Hotfix:
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/vantage%2Dhotfix/
There are the Cat 8.5. You can clearly see by that the graph made by Nvidia hould be totaly diferent if they use Cat 8.5. The diference is huge.... like day/night.
Yeah didn't you know it always scores 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d