I have no issues with 460 cards in the M489GTD PRO/USB3 using the 1606 BIOS. Both cards also work with the x4 slot occupied with an IBIS drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
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I have no issues with 460 cards in the M489GTD PRO/USB3 using the 1606 BIOS. Both cards also work with the x4 slot occupied with an IBIS drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
I have the ch4 formula, seasonic x-750.
Psu is good except for the fluctuating 5vsb (sometimes when powering up the psu I can see my board's lights flicker like mad).
When I had my 8600gt, it wasn't to hard to get most things stable, had issues with mafia 2 and bfbc2.
With my 240gt it was much harder.
So I got anew psu.
Eventually I got those games stable, along with y cruncher 8 hrs stable,s&m stable, linx stable, super pi stable, furmark stable and intel burn test stable.
It wasn't easy.
It was actually recently when I've gotten all those stable, most were before though but not all.
Now I got a 460se, and my system is so freaking unstable.
The card runs great and is stable.
Voltages are good, temps are in the low 30's and 20's.
No matter what I do, I get random lockups in the bios, directx crashes on me(dwm), mafia 2 crashes in an hour most of the time.
Bfbc2 crashes in mins.
My browser crashes on me offen.
Heck, now since today I have a very hard time dl'ing or even using facebook.
I can dl 40megs before opera gets a connections error and it's not my modem or cables.
I am so fraking sick of my board.
I spent over $600 in the last few months on it.
3 vga cards, 2 psu's.
I've tried 1 stick of mem at a time.
I've tried super cooling my system to around 10c.
I've tried some extreme voltages.
Mem has a hard time running below 2000mhz, it won't boot lower speeds without increasing the timings.
Had that prob since I got the new vga card.
If I increase the timings to much it bsod's.
I really want this new bios as soon as possible please.
I need a working 100% stable pc, I usually have no probs getting a new system and doing that within 2 weeks, but this board has been something diff.
I've redid the heatsinks on the board 3 times too.
I've spent every single day working on this setup, for at least 6 months.
It's VERY stressful.
Major headaches everyday thinaks to this system, not just a metafor, real headaches from the stress.
The onlyy thing I can notcie out of place is that the south bridge's heatsink I can press down a few mm's, it's lose, but the nb and pwn is tight.
I know for afact the pwm heatsink doesn't touch the pwm though because there's a huge gap as think as the heatsink plate it's self, so I kept the tim tape on it.
The heatsink temp on the pwm it's self is quite low though.
So it's probably working ok'ish.
I suspect it's the south bridge being that everything is vga related.
But I have no idea how to fix it.
That and rma'ing the board, I would have to pay for that, have no pc at all for a month at least, and they would probably say everything is hunky dory and give me back the board without doing a thing.
Other things I've noticed since I've gotten the new card.
Increasing the 2ndary timings gets me 2hrs of mafia 2 stable, sometimes.
3rd level of bfbc2, start and fail by killing that lookout guy...
If I adjust nothing, I can sometimes start the level and sometimes not.
If I lower ram speed, I can run the level 4-7 times before it crashes to desktop.
I've tried every single setting in the bios and I can't stop that from crashing.
And then there's sometimes where I can lower the ram speed and it crashes when 1st starting the level anyways :\.
Sucks because 1st teh 8600gt was easy to get stable compared to the 240 gt.
then I got the 240 gt stable on most things np's and then the gtx 460 se is being a pain the butt.
And I know for a fact all 3 card's are perfectly fine.
Edit:
Directx doesn't crash most of the time if I disable the cpu's voltage thingy, whatever you call it.
The thing that stablises it supposedly.
The options on the bottem of the 1st bios screen.
In order to get mafia2 to start a game I have to set my cpu speed to 3ghz, and increase my cpu voltage +1v.
Then it's only 1hr stable.
If I re-enable that cpu voltage stablise setting thingy, directx crashes regardless of voltages.
Been up to 1.7v cpu and it still crashes.
Sorry for typos and forgotten terms, got such a headache.
Want to goto bed but I have to keep an eye on my browsers last dl so it don't mess up.
This morning I woke up to my pc hardlocked hours before from my torrent client, I've never had that issue.
:(
Not only are my games unreliable, but my entier system is now.
Why don't you post ya settings once... really 1.7Vcore to stabilise, c'mon... Your board was stable with 8600GT and also with GT240... You tell us the board goes bezerk when booting with the seasonic. What happens if you plug the 8600GT back in... is it stable then ?
List ya specs and take bios screenshots... is that soundblaster card still in your rig ?
X-fi onboard sound card yeah, it's a via chip that supposedly can use the x-fi driver but when I try installing the driver off the cd it doesn't work, say invalid device id.
But yep...
I'll post my specs, settings and take some pics of my entier system tonight.
I wanna have another go on this stability thing and take the time to list down in a text file every bios setting.
I've should of done that along time ago...
Right now I just want to get some downloads out of the way before I give the modem to my mom for the night.
33% done with my last one for the day.
Headache is gone, I can think now lol :D.
CPU LLC, one of the things I tried messing with because everything else wasn't getting me anywhere.
Some interesting notes on that.
Ps2 emulation, latest pcsx2 public beta(r3878).
GT3, I don't know the slus id on this one yet, us ntsc ver.
4x internal res, if I start a race it crashes, emu's fault (doesn't crash on 2x, probably only game that crashes on 4x).
The interesting part of that is it crashes directx as well, ie my desktop aero interface crashes alogn with the emu.
If it's full screened the whole system hardlocks when this crash accurs(probably should'nt happen like that).
If I disable cpu llc, directx no longer crashes.
Mafia2 wasn't stable at all with my normal settings.
After disabling cpu llc, it crashed right away when starting a game.
If I increased the voltage, crashes went away to a point.
I went all the way to a +1.25v cpu voltage offset befor eI gave up.
Crashes within 45-60mins.
When it crashes, it takes directx with it, unless I disable cpu lcc and then directx is still ok and I can try again or whatever I want after it crashed.
BFBC2 crashes right away, most of the time it won't start a level if cpu llc is disabled.
Unless I crank the voltage way up.
If cpu lcc is enable, I can play these games for a little bit anyways, even when the cpu voltage is as low as it can go, -0.6x.
Cpu voltage lowest setting, some software readings from hwinfo32.
Without CPU LLC 1.098, 1.197 (0.099)
With CPU LLC 1.105, 1.230 (0.125)
Min and max values with the amount of fluctuation noted in the brackets.
My findings have shown me that cpu llc makes things more stable, but the fluctuation is worse.
(I have cnq enabled btw, so the above is'nt just fluctuation it's mostly diff power stages).
It also seems that with cpu llc, voltage is set a bit higher then without it.
Hence the reason why you may need more voltage without it (that and ... cpu llc, if working correctly would allow for lower stable voltages).
Another oddity is that with it disabled aida64 says on avg that my mem latency is 1ns lower, I checked this over 5 times to make sure it wasn't a fluke.
However, if I increase the voltage with it disabled, the speed diffrence there dissapears.
I'm gonna have another go at this stuff right now though and give the modem to my mom for the night.
Right now my quickest test is battlefield bad company 2, level 3, level 2 is a good one too but I have to beat the level, 3 times in a row to check for stability.
While level 3 I can find out my stability in a few mins.
I never had this big of a prob on my dfi board.
Even though in the latest update it says that that specific level, level 3 has crash probs.
I should probably focus on a diff level in the game to make sure I'm not being misled.
The other night I ran the long test of s&m instead of the normal length one.
Pass it :\.
Yesterday I passed 20 passes of linx.
A few weeks ago I passed 8 hrs of y cruncher, but that was with the 240 gt.
The 8600gt of mine is dead btw.
It died on my dfi when I was building it up for my mom.
It was fanless, diff case though, heatsink was facing down and apperently that makes a huge diffrence sometimes (I won't go fanless for vga card's anymore after that experience...).
Died from overheating :( (1st card of mine to die from that).
She's getting the gt 240, passing that one down.
The gt 240, it was stable.
I just got that stable a week ago.
Seemed darn close to 100%, I wasn't sure if it was 100% yet or not, but I could finally play mafia 2 and everything else as much as I wanted to with 0 crashes.
When I got the gtx 460 se, not stable.
I assumed that pcie voltage, or south bridge, or mem timings could have something to do with that.
But I haven't figuered it out yet.
I just got this card 3 days ago I think.
Card is furmark stable and no glitches in anything.
Funny because furmark was something I used to hardlock in alot before with the 240 gt, didn't in the end though and I even got it 150mhz pcie stable with that card, a struggle on that one though.
Needed 1.66x volts for pcie and south bridge to do that.
Only thing that wasn't stable at that pcie speed was opera oddly enough.
I wan't to end this post.
One thing that sticks in my mind is the possibility that my mem isn't compatible or is bad.
It's gskil 2x1gig 2133 cl9 trident.
I'll get the exact part #'s tonight.
The reason I think it's a possiblity, for one it's allways stuck in my mind as a possible prob.
And for 2, my system seemed as stable as the 240 gt at 1st with the 460 se.
But when I increased my detail levels in the games, example when I maxxed out bc2.
That stability of mine went straight to :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.
And ever since I've been messing with bios settings.
I gotta figuer out what is causing my generic system probs 1st then work on the games again.
I must have something screwed up to cause these system stability probs in generic apps.
Yes the CHIV formula definately has some weird issues .
I for example have to disable/enable the front mic in order for it to work . And this after every reboot . Then my sound is either too loud or too weak , so i have to start playing with the boosts etc. In the end i set the same settings and sometimes its temp fixed . Sometimes not .
Also it's running stable for weeks (I run boinc and game a lot) . Then suddenly it starts giving blue screens all over the place . Even reloading default settings in bios doesn't work at that point (standard voltages and speeds). So I have to reload bios , clear cmos , reload settings etc to temp fix it .
This board really needs a new bios , SSSSSOOON .
As already, with various combo of the cards mentioned, it all results in blank screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Could you give some info on what bios setting you have for graphics or any other info that might be deemed for a try
cheers
Do you have a monitor plugged into each card ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
I can post up some BIOS settings later today. Most everything right now is at default though. I have a single monitor plugged in the card furthest from the CPU.
I was under the impression he was mixing gpus.
With all the card swapping, its important to reset the CMOS/bios toggle on the mobo.
Quick Update -
1. Revo Problem is solved and will be even better once the drives are updated for future platforms. Beta releases are coming within two weeks.
2. New BIOS Code for 8-series boards is out of Alpha and entering beta, once I have stable beta releases they will be posted up.
3. Looks like my account is active again so I can answer PMs now.
Nice to see you back gary, I wasn't aware that you were MIA however.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
BIOS screenshots with onboard graphics settings. The third screenshot is with both 460 cards and the last is with SLI enabled and a monitor connected to the card furthest from the CPU.
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...td_2nv/ss1.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...td_2nv/ss2.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...td_2nv/ss3.jpg
http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...td_2nv/ss4.jpg
So there are still no news for the M4A79 or any other 790FX Board?
Any chance for a (beta) Bios for it in this year or at least next year?
I didn't know that "very soon" could become such a long time (a half year already) :D
Lol I spent all last night and today (7am now lol), getting my board stable.
And I finally got somewhere.
1st to get it halfway mafia 2 stable I had to reset to defaults using the bios setting to do that.
With everything on auto btw, bad company 2 was unstable (more on this in a sec).
I got a point where I was trying to set some of the smaller things up and test for mafia 2 stability and I'de play for an hour before it would crash, spent 6 hours getting no where.
So I decided to goto bed, with my known mafia 2 stable settings I tried to run y cruncher while I was sleeping but that was crashing within secs.
Didn't matter what voltages I set.
Next morning I figuered it out, the cpu-nb speed was causing it, 3ghz was the prob (wth...).
So I spent an hour fiddling with it trying to figuer out why in the heck it wasn't stable (used to be stable with my gt 240).
Eventually I said screw it and rebuilt my system again.
The south bridge, thinking this was a potential prob, after I got my board out of my case I took a flash light and looked real close at the south bridge.
Had a huge gap between it's core and the heatsink.
Been running it for months like this..
So I replaced the screws with shorter ones and used plastic washers instead of springs.
Worked like a charm.
Y cruncher seemed stable, ran it for an hour at 3ghz cpu-nb speed.
I set it back to 2.75ghz and then went to mess with bad company 2.
Still unstable, son of a..., tried everything again, nothing would fix it.
So I'm thinking, driver prob?, I didn't have the internet at that moment so I had to figuer something.
I needed gpu logs, to make absolutely sure it had nothing to do with my vga card.
So I modded the quadro driver (259.12-Quadro-win7-winvista-32bit-international-whql).
Same driver I was using before but I had to fiddle with it to get it to install normally, close out the error dialogs before they screwed me over.
Now I don't have to do that plus it's got all pref's preset now.
The idea was, well some bg on it 1st.
Very 1st set of win7 drivers or so installed np, quadro drivers on a geforce card (I prefer these drivers with any card, even though I don't have a quadro).
Now they don't install these days, like they are protected or something.
Complains about missing files, or failed cpl install and cancels the installer and uninstalls any previous vga card on you and leaves you with nothing.
Like a protection.
I was thinking, my modded drivers usually get past most of these flimsy kind of quadro protections (most anyways).
So I made the modded inf, installed the driver, all is good.
Play mafia 2 with a few more settings in place, like cnq and c1e.
All good, 2hrs stable and no issues what so ever.
Hmm check bad company 2, level 4 (said 3 before but I meant level 4, called upriver).
Wow it worked, did more then 10 passes.
What I do is run for sec and kill the lookout guy and fail the mission, flares come out and mission failed, then try again.
I do this 10 times.
Seems like a pretty quick test.
It had to be something to do with the vga driver when it came to bad company 2 (possibly some kind of quadro protection placed on not just fake quadro's but geforce cards too, that's bs..., I would hope not but I don't really know).
Y cruncher had something to do with the south bridge temps with my new vga card.
And mafia 2, a clean cmos fixed that up as far as I can tell.
Board won't boot if you put in a diff vga card, I always have to clear the cmos, and I usually just load up a cmos profile and go from there.
Apperently that might of been a mistake, and I should of been starting from scratch whenever I swaped vga cards.
I shouldn't of been loading cmos profiles that I made with a diff vga card apperently.
So far it's been acting alot better and a bit snappier too.
I still have to check 3ghz cpu-nb speed and tighten my mem timings.
That and the drive strengths, I've got 2 I usually set for more mem stability.
I want to run 8hrs of y cruncher later on when I goto bed, and work from there.
Thank the oc'ing gods my system is acting ok'ish :).
Why it was so much of a pain in th ebutt to get this far I don't know but I'm glad I'm close to getting it back up to par.
I hope the new bios fixes the turbo mode fluctuations and lets us set more power state voltages.
But anything would be nice.
Like a diff raid rom.
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Originally Posted by Praz
Really huge thanks for the time and effort you put into that post, as long as I have been using forums it is refreshing to see somebody put in some time for an other enthusiast.
I have a 260gtx now to try with a combo of the already mentioned cards
cheers
Yes, I have some testing later on today to try, but in your other post you are suggesting a cmos clear after trying different cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmdAtiTom420
Dudes if you can't get it to boot after adding a card or changing a card the 1st thing I would of tried is clearing the cmos...
Also...
I'm not 100% sure but I think it's not a good idea to use a cmos from a diff card config...
In my case it seems like it was a bad idea to use a cmos profile from another card config.
Yep.. and bios updates too. Anytime you add/remove any component, it messes with the bios DMI pool. Fans included lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
Edit
Then fresh install windows hehe
Vandiesel, after further testing I have found something that may be related to your issue. I have reported it and will have to wait and see what testing turns up at HQ.
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Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmdAtiTom420
The board boots no problem after I take out any card.
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Originally Posted by Praz
After installing the 260gtx(main pcie slot), and then a 7300gt in second, the board now boot with the cards mentioned, running 3 monitors no problem.
I have yet to try either of the 79gt or 8800 gts, but it would not boot with any of these in any combo
cheers
:(, I spoke to soon.
Got her 3ghz nb y cruncher stable this morning.
Restarted, ran mafia 2 and crashed.
Check s&m and cant pass it no matter what I do now.
Tried both sticks, 1 at a time, tried diff voltages, diff speeds, etc.
Board doesn't power on sometimes now, have to nudge my mem sticks a bit to get her to power on.
I hate this board.
Anyone know if asus crosships for rma's?
Also wondering if I pay the diffrence if they will ship me an extreme board, because that is the board I wanted but this was the only board out at the time.
Waited months for that extreme board to come out, and it came out 2-3 months after I got this board.
I know it may sound like I'm making this stuff up, I'm not, it's not a joke to me.
I'm f'ing pissed.
This had to happen to me at this time of the month, when I have 0 money.
I can't use a credit card to ship stuff...
I'll have to borrow money.
Asus crossship formula..., aahhhh this board bums me out.
Nothing but probs ever since I flashed from the 801 bios that came with it.
I had already tried flashing back to that bios along time ago made no diffrence.
Noticed the other day if I disable the microcode update, board won't post.
Not sure if it's the newer bios'es or not, older bios'es this option used to work but never seemed to fix anything.
Tried the 1105 bios a min ago, on it now, made no diffrence in stability.
Sorry for the nagging.
Edit:
Oh and I re-checked my psu, it's fine, steady 5v and 12v rails anyways, I didn't check the standby.
One more thing I noticed recently.
Something very odd I think.
Originally when I would power on the psu, the board's lights would go on.
But now they don't.
They only stay on once I've powered the board up for the 2st time.
Before that didnt' matter.
AC, 121.8 - 122.3v, all good there...
Quote (250mhz pcie is easy on dfi boards.
Though I thaught 250mhz was to low of a speed, but stuck at 150mhz is much worse.
I could actually use more pci/pcie speed though.)
If you've been running the PCIe at this frequency as you were in your earlier posts then you have possibly damaged either your board, hard drives, graphics card or all 3.
so 150Mhz PCI-E, Enermax 350W, boxed cooler action, undervolting the CPU VID (-0.0625 and CPU NB at 1.125) while running 4ghz and 3Ghz NB speed...then you opt for +1.6Vcore to stabilise it all...
Could it be you hammered the board and maybe the CPU with your overclocking expertise ? The above post too says it all, you have been all over the place for some emulator stuff. Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy the dran console....
Really wondered what took you so long... Well done :up:
My board here has seen nearly all biosses possible ( alpha, beta's too) several LN2 sessions, it's still humming nicely at 4Ghz, 2.75Nb speeds and 2000mhzC7 Flare rams...and a lot of GPU's toooooooooo.
By no means : this board has flaws, as all the other boards have... there's no thing as a perfect board, though this one and the UD5/7 are really great to me...
Anyway good luck with the RMA !
Did you notice if any of the mobo heat sinks were hot to the touch ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
As a rule now, I always refresh the thermal paste on every part I come across. Its usually too little or too much and even sloppy lol.. Also, the hard stuff most places use can easily break its seal/contact between the HS and chip.