AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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11-08-2010, 06:15 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by Heinz68

Lets also not forget the NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang introducing the Fermi in October 2009 at GPU Technology Conference
"This Ladies and Gentlemen, this one here is Fermi." He forgot to mention it's fake with some wood screws.
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2908/jensenfermi.jpg

So off-course people were disappointed about the many delays, I don't think anything close to it will happen to the HD 6900 cards.

This damaged Nvidia more than the 59xx series cards ever did. As a long time nvidia user I now think twice before buying anything made by them. I take this deception personally along with the promises that were broken at the time. Mr. Can of ***** *** now has the contents if it all over his face. This is going to take Nvidia a long time to recover at the pace they are going. Nvidia's driver support seems to be slipping while ATI's is improving. One can only hope that Intel buys nvidia and turns the name around and then we might see competition again. Of course ATI could get lazy and let Nvidia catch up much like AMD-core let Intel catch up and pass them.

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

What would you run on 4 caymans? Just two of
Barts HD6800 scale better than fermi in multigpu, cayman should not be different.

Anything and everything at 2560x1600!
11-08-2010, 07:04 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heinz68

Lets also not forget the NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang introducing the Fermi in October 2009 at GPU Technology Conference
"This Ladies and Gentlemen, this one here is Fermi." He forgot to mention it's fake with some wood screws.

I always thought he was presenting a carpenter's sample

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ei2m-zPHEkg/0.jpg

as well as their new line of mobile-phones....

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/siemensfactory/pic0.jpg
11-08-2010, 07:41 PM
Nintendork

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I always thought he was presenting a carpenter's sample

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ei2m-zPHEkg/0.jpg

as well as their new line of mobile-phones....

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/siemensfactory/pic0.jpg

Maybe a recyclable eco green edition :rofl:
11-09-2010, 06:58 AM
Oztopher

Come on AMD, you've seen the performance of the GTX 580, now set those clocks, write those BIOS' and drivers accordingly, and get shipping :D
11-09-2010, 07:14 AM
Dimitriman

All we need now is for Cayman to be faster than the 5970 by 5% and Antilles by 50%. Is that too much to ask?
11-09-2010, 07:16 AM
Your_Boss

word is some reviewer is adding some of AMD's comments to his GTX580 review article. I have no idea why, this ought to be fun though.:D

His name is apoppin at Alienbabeltech.

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i'm doing that now. i *got* to put in a few more unique images and i should have it up (minus some parts) within the hour. My least late under-NDA article to date.

i think it is better i am getting instead of improving.
- a local Irish country saying

i am adding AMD's reaction to the GTX 580 article from my interview with Stanley Ossias this morning at 6 AM

i need a nap

This ought to be good. :up:
11-09-2010, 07:21 AM
hurrdurr

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

All we need now is for Cayman to be faster than the 5970 by 5% and Antilles by 50%. Is that too much to ask?

Why do you "need" Cayman to be 5% faster? The sentence "We just need Cayman to be 5% faster" sounds like it's begging to be followed by "... so that it convincingly beats the GTX 580. Any higher would be fine, but we need it to at least beat the GTX 580."

Rooting for a certain side are we? :yepp:
11-09-2010, 07:25 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

Why do you "need" Cayman to be 5% faster? The sentence "We just need Cayman to be 5% faster" sounds like it's begging to be followed by "... so that it convincingly beats the GTX 580. Any higher would be fine, but we need it to at least beat the GTX 580."

Rooting for a certain side are we? :yepp:

Im sorry, was I supposed to hope for a slower Cayman than a gtx580?

I want a groundbreaking product and harsh competition. If Cayman turns out slower than gtx580 I would take the 580. My only bias is towards my personal gaming experience.
11-09-2010, 07:27 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Strange there is nothing from AMD about this :confused:. I assume that they are going to make some sort of communication.
11-09-2010, 07:27 AM
hurrdurr

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Im sorry, was I supposed to hope for a slower Cayman than a gtx580?

I want a groundbreaking product and harsh competition. If Cayman turns out slower than gtx580 I would take the 580. My only bias is towards my personal gaming experience.

Of course not. Personally I think I'll probably be buying a Cayman and I hope it's incredibly fast. However, when you put it like "come on AMD we just need 5% faster than the 5970" it sounds too much like "... so that we can beat Nvidia". Or at least it sounded too much like that to my ears.
11-09-2010, 07:31 AM
Mechanical Man

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Strange there is nothing from AMD about this :confused:. I assume that they are going to make some sort of communication.

HD5970 price dropped to under 400€.

PS. in brief from one GTX580 article.

"Cayman is VLIW4, 256bit wide memory, 2GB GDDR5, 32ROP, 128 Z/Stencil. XT 1*(8+6), PRO 2*6pin."
11-09-2010, 07:31 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Strange there is nothing from AMD about this :confused:. I assume that they are going to make some sort of communication.

goto #831:)
11-09-2010, 07:31 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

Of course not. Personally I think I'll probably be buying a Cayman and I hope it's incredibly fast. However, when you put it like "come on AMD we just need 5% faster than the 5970" it sounds too much like "... so that we can beat Nvidia". Or at least it sounded too much like that to my ears.

In a way I do want it to beat the gtx580 as its been what.. 2 years since AMD didnt hold the single chip crown? I would find that really exciting but although Im slightly more inclined to buy radeons today I was all up the 8800gt and 6600gt bandwagon long ago. I have seasonal preference but my loyalty is with my gaming and my pc.

ps: actually it might have been some 5 years now... last time was the X1950XTPE no?
11-09-2010, 07:33 AM
Florinmocanu

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

In a way I do want it to beat the gtx580 as its been what.. 2 years since AMD didnt hold the single chip crown? I would find that really exciting but although Im slightly more inclined to buy radeons today I was all up the 8800gt and 6600gt bandwagon long ago. I have seasonal preference but my loyalty is with my gaming and my pc.

that's not true, look at oct 2009 till late march 2010, 5870 had the single gpu crown for around 4-4.5 months. Both companies are trading blows, 5-6 months it's one, then the other one comes on top and it continues like that.
11-09-2010, 07:34 AM
hurrdurr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

In a way I do want it to beat the gtx580 as its been what.. 2 years since AMD didnt hold the single chip crown? I would find that really exciting but although Im slightly more inclined to buy radeons today I was all up the 8800gt and 6600gt bandwagon long ago. I have seasonal preference but my loyalty is with my gaming and my pc.

See, I was right ;)

Also I must add that I see nothing wrong with having a preference to a certain brand... as long as you don't wish slowness on your "rival" brand and just wish for blazing fast speeds on your preferred brand, there's nothing wrong. Not that there would be anything "wrong" if you wished for a slow Nvidia (like anyone's wishing would make it happen) - it would just be plain stupid :D
11-09-2010, 07:36 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Florinmocanu

that's not true, look at oct 2009 till late march 2010, 5870 had the single gpu crown for around 4-4.5 months. Both companies are trading blows, 5-6 months it's one, then the other one comes on top and it continues like that.

lol thats right i keep forgeting those 6 months copetition free. I guess in terms of comparable products is what I mean with the 480 being the comparable and faster than the 5870.
With direct competition like this it has been a while.
11-09-2010, 07:42 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

See, I was right ;)

Also I must add that I see nothing wrong with having a preference to a certain brand... as long as you don't wish slowness on your "rival" brand and just wish for blazing fast speeds on your preferred brand, there's nothing wrong. Not that there would be anything "wrong" if you wished for a slow Nvidia (like anyone's wishing would make it happen) - it would just be plain stupid :D

Nah I would never wish for a slower product that would be stupid. I need faster and faster from both camps and perhaps a faster Cayman would also trigger more reactions from nvidia such as price cuts and the fabled dual gf104.

Im building a rig when bulldozer is out, likely in June 2011 and I will simply take the fastest of everything independent of brand (though I dont think Im ready to pay 1000$ on a processor but I would 500$). So either SB or BD, nvidia or ati, they better impress me!
11-09-2010, 08:00 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

goto #831:)

Hmm, is there an eta on what was said?
11-09-2010, 08:45 AM
blindbox

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Hmm, is there an eta on what was said?

Here

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=21778&page=30
11-09-2010, 08:52 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Here

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=21778&page=30

Nothing like interviewing a PR guy on the mobile side about a desktop GPU. :rofl:
11-09-2010, 09:36 AM
Your_Boss

Yeah. :rolleyes:

Alien Bobble Tech

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Since we are using the fastest of the fast single-GPU video cards, it makes sense to test at the highest resolutions and with the most demanding settings. Since we are matching the top single-GPU video cards to each other in a performance showdown, we do not include the dual-GPU HD 5970 nor CrossFire nor SLI configurations.

I guess that makes everything alright, doesn't it? :confused:

I suppose he didn't get that AMD email either. Check the card prices..oh looky there, they are the same..the GTX580 AND the HD5970. What a shocker.:shakes:

Another bought and paid for NV reviewer. It's like they think they owe something to their master or something. Just take the f%ckin card and test with a price equivelent card. *cough* 5970 *cough*

You also have 2 NV OC cards in the review too. Where's the AMD OC cards? Hmm? Where?, where? Yeah, nice fair review you got there. :rolleyes:

Don't give your BS excuses why you didn't. At least be honest as say that nVidia told me not to include the 5970...um..cuz it would make our new card look over a year old. Well, duh! apoppin, you lose! :down:
11-09-2010, 09:52 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Here

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=21778&page=30

Ok, :shrug:
The response isn't saying much at all.
11-09-2010, 10:01 AM
Iconyu

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Ok, :shrug:
The response isn't saying much at all.

If AMD are changing clocks then they can't promise to beat it, but at least it's a competing product, and will be priced accordingly. If they put the 6990 in that same price bracket as the 580 that means the 6970 will be much closer to the 480 price.
11-09-2010, 10:06 AM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Your_Boss

Yeah. :rolleyes:

Alien Bobble Tech

I guess that makes everything alright, doesn't it? :confused:

I suppose he didn't get that AMD email either. Check the card prices..oh looky there, they are the same..the GTX580 AND the HD5970. What a shocker.:shakes:

Another bought and paid for NV reviewer. It's like they think they owe something to their master or something. Just take the f%ckin card and test with a price equivelent card. *cough* 5970 *cough*

You also have 2 NV OC cards in the review too. Where's the AMD OC cards? Hmm? Where?, where? Yeah, nice fair review you got there. :rolleyes:

Don't give your BS excuses why you didn't. At least be honest as say that nVidia told me not to include the 5970...um..cuz it would make our new card look over a year old. Well, duh! apoppin, you lose! :down:

Charlie has been wrong as a dog writing an actuary exam, he said reviewers were going to be picked carefully and only reviewers that bent to Nvidia's will were going to get cards, yet pretty much every reviewer out there got one. Are they all paid off now!!! The conspiracy.

I think your taking it a bit far, in terms of releases from AMD, Kyle has been one of the most positive. I think he called out NV about something a few weeks ago.

If you look at the 5970 at the moment, especially from newegg, the quantities are not exactly overflowing, 1 brand and only 1 card(besides a 1200 dollar edition).

If NV wanted to respond, like AMD did(a dirty marketing move at that), they could say these price are only temporary and the price will come back up or the 5970 won't be available for sale anymore.

I think stock of the 5970 is going to run really thin soon and that's a good thing and hopefully means cayman and antilles are coming.

The only place I see a 499 price is newegg. Provantage, Mwave and anywhere in Canada it is still 600 dollars plus. If one wanted to be a conspiracy theorist like you, one could say AMD gave a special deal to newegg, sent a memo to gtx 580 reviewers saying see, the 5970 is 499 when in reality, it is a singular deal for one card at one place.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/dosearch_...atpromotename=

http://www.provantage.com/scripts/se...x=0&Submit.y=0

http://www.shopbot.ca/m/?m=5970
11-09-2010, 10:11 AM
zerazax

Low 5970 stock is most likely cause it's about to go EOL... after all, its 2 x Cypress so its even harder to come by

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