Yeah i know, was thinking stock CPU bus speeds of 1333 not 1066. have Yorkfield all over the brain !!!
Yeah i know, was thinking stock CPU bus speeds of 1333 not 1066. have Yorkfield all over the brain !!!
Haha. I'm back!
The computer ran prime95 for about 1,5 hours and I thought to myself "hey, it's finally stable!!". Looks can be deceiving. I installed Crysis and I was able to play the first level without problems but then 10-15 minutes later - BANG! The computer reboots. So I waited for Vista (64 bit) to load and when I entered my password and saw the desktop it rebooted again. Same procedure, I logged in to Vista and it rebooted. The third time I could actually use the computer. So I thought that the gfx drivers weren't all that good and downloaded the latest fron Nvidia's web page. Now the computer ran for 10-13~minutes and rebooted.
I've no clue how this happened. All four cores peaked at 51 C and the motherboard was 50~ish as well. So no over heating I think. The GFX card and RAM modules were pretty cool also.
I'm guessing that the lates bios isn't that stable at all. Haha.
I'll try with the "official" 1,1 bios instead. If that doesn't work I'm going to bed.. for a week.
edit: Should I clear cmos after flashing, and then taking the "default values"? Or would that fix itself?!
aelgen: Those symptoms sound remarkably familiar to me (no issues running Prime95, but random reboots during casual computer use and even immediately after entering Windows). You haven't answered my question, so I wonder if perhaps you missed it: are you running any SATA optical drives or perhaps RAID? Additionally, did you set Windows to not automatically restart upon system failure?
I'm really hoping you answer yes to the former and no to the latter, since then the solution could be really easy. You mention Vista64, though, so I'm not sure if it would work for you, but it's possible.
Leeroy and loonym: I'm going to hold off on RMA'ing my PSU until after I do some more testing. I was reading up on PSU troubleshooting when it hit me that it could be my power strip. I'm currently forced to use power strips because there are no outlets close enough to my computer area. I may have had my computer plugged into a faulty power strip socket. I recall that I may have had some intermittent trouble with the same socket that the computer was plugged into when I was using the strip in my dorm way back when, but it was minor trouble and only happened once or twice, so it didn't come to mind. Why it would have waited a week to start acting up like this is beyond me, but I've got the computer connected to another socket right now and played Crysis for a while without any issue. The stuff I've seen would definitely be consistent (and more sensible) with a faulty socket.
Sorry, must have missed that you asked me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiskbit
Well. I do not use SATA optical drives and Windows is not set to auto restart after system failure.
It's like someone is pressing the reset-button at completely random. I've even tried to yank out the reset cable from the motherboard to see if that was the problem, but that was useless. I'm currently fighting with the computer to throw in the "official" bios 1,1 from msi's product page. Damn those slow disk drives! ;p
At any rate, I'll keep you all posted with updates.
That's good news Fiskbit, I hope you've solved it. I was really having trouble blaming that psu. :D
Alright. Now I'm starting to get really upset. Pissed so to speak. I've flashed to the latest beta bios and still those annoying reboots. I've flashed to the 1.1 released on MSI's product page. I've re-installed Vista for the fifth or so time. All drivers are the latest and updated. Vista is updated through Windows Update. Still reboots. I've even tried another wall socket for my power supply (just in case). All voltages are at "Auto" except RAM which is at 2,1 that is stated on the packaging. (yes, I have tried using auto here as well)
I have to tell you, I'm about to give up on this hardware and sell it for a bargain.
aelgen,
Run MemTest86+ (Google is your friend) for several passes.
What test did you use with P95? Also, as you saw. An hour and half isn't enough.
I can run prime95 for ages and it never shows any "error". But the reboots are completely random. They aren't caused by applications.. I'm currently able to use a live dvd with Backtrack 2 and 3 without any problems. So I don't know what to think...Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronYuri
I'll try MemTest86+ over the night and see what the results are.
You're running RAID0 and a SATA optical drive (like me) and are having reboots a lot like mine, save the lack of an error screen. I'm pretty convinced that your issue is related to SATA/RAID drivers, but you're using Vista, so I don't know all that much about how the issue affects that OS. I've been reading online about the 780i's SATA problems in Vista. One thread I found that discusses the issue in Vista is this one here. The guy fixed his problem by getting a PCI-E card to hook his SATA optical drive up through. When he had both hooked up to the card or to the motherboard, he had issues, but when having one on each, it was fine.
I don't know what it'll do, but you could try installing the Vista 790i SATA/RAID drivers on your machine in a manner similar to the one described here. It really wouldn't hurt to try. If worse comes to worst, you could consider trying a PCI-E card like the guy in that other thread.
Fiskbit is on the right track i think. I build computers for a living and have been forced to go with IDE optical drives when building SLI systems b/c of isues with SATA optical drives and nforce chipsests. I may have missed it but are you getting any entries in your event viewer at the time of restarts? I'm running 2 raid arrays with the onboard raid with this P7N and have had no issues with raid. Try unplugging your optical drive after your windows and drivers install and see if that doesn't stop your restarts.
As far as I know, the common SATA optical drive issue is with XP only. With Vista, a RAID-0 array, and a Blu-Ray sata drive, I haven't experienced any issues. That doesn't mean that your issue in Vista isn't SATA related, but it's probably not due to the same or similar fault in the driver.
My Repair bench machine (basically for driver downloads) has an ASUS p5n-d 750i chipset board in it. I dual boot xp/vista. With either an LG or a Lite-on SATA optical drive i get BSOD in xp and vista. Switched to IDE optical and no more bluescreens. Been this way for a month now. With the SATA Optical drives sometimes desktop wouldn't even finish loading before failure, sometimes could go all day b4 issues. Whether or not it was the exact identical problem it was a problem with both operating systems. It was duplicated on another build as well, yet worked fine in an older build. (as far as i know, he hasn't called back with issues). All i'm saying is give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by theYipster
I use sata optical drives but I never use nvidia drivers for anything other than the network adapters. Likewise with any of the software items that platform driver packages try to install, I steer well clear. Learned my lessons with nv drivers on the nforce and nf2 platforms.
I've removed the raided hard drives so I only use one hard drive and that is my Raptor. The dvd player is a simple IDE-component. (which I've tried unplugging as well) I un-installed the raid drivers that came with the motherboard cd, that didn't really help me. It's like the computer wants to be faulty.
Ah, I misread your post and thought you said you did have a SATA optical drive. Sorry about that.
If uninstalling the RAID drivers didn't help you at all, I don't know what else to suggest. Perhaps someone else has a better idea.
aelgen
do you have 4x1gb or 2x2gb? if you have 4x1gb you may try to up a little notch your ram. 2.1v are suggested for 2 banks of ram, if you've got 4 banks installed you may require a little more voltages on ram or on even on nb.
i've experienced it on the dfi 680lt with 4 sticks of ocz flex wich required me to add voltages both on ram and on nb.
or you may try lower a little bit the ram clock if you don't want to add voltages.
I just got my new pc and i have a MSI P7N Diamond MOBO, i was trying to overclock my 9450 @ 2.66 Ghz to 3.5 Ghz (390x9), but i really cant figure these BIOS out. I went into the cell menu but no luck. Could someone explain to me step by step how to do it plz.
Fiskbit: no problem :P
I have 2x2gb and they are running at 2.1V. I've also increased the voltage to the NB with "two +'s" that is, I've pressed the + key two times.. haha :PQuote:
Originally Posted by panheimer
I've noticed in Everest that my RAM's are 5-5-5-18 and that's not right at all!
Well.. I'll have a talk with a friend of mine tomorrow, and he's gonna come over and look at it. If by some freak of nature I've missed some vital part. Ha. Like that's gonna help me. Oh. I'll come with updates tomorrow!
But for now I'll install Windows XP64. I hope the motherboard drivers work this time. :)
No xp64 drivers on any of the MSI disks as you must already know. Just grab the latest from nvidia website. If you don't have a floppy drive you could slipstream the nvraid drivers to the windows install disk. It's not that difficult really if you find a good guide. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/How...P-installation this is just one example, if you google you'll find dozens. Other than the raid the only other thing really required from the driver package is the ethernet drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by aelgen
Hey I just got my new pc and i am not yet used to the MSI BIOS setup lol. Its very different from my old setup. I have a Q9450 @ 2.66Ghz and i want to overclock it to about 3.5 Ghz (390x9). I cant figure out how to edit my FSB and my multiplier in these BIOS. Could someone plz help me. I know its in the cell menu but its so confusing. I know im a newb.
Also: What would be the best voltage for these settings?
Well, firstly, have you flashed to a newer BIOS yet? The shipping BIOS is more confusing and buggy than the current available betas. I don't recall the link, but there are links to the BIOS within the last few pages of the thread. I also recommend reading through some of this thread to get an idea of what settings you'll need to achieve your goal and how to arrive at those settings. It also probably won't be as easy as you're hoping; no one can just give you settings that will definitely get you to where you want to be, as everyone's hardware is different.
If I recall correctly (I'm not looking at the BIOS right now), you highlight the FSB entry, type in a new value, and hit enter in order to enter a new value. The FSB term is four times the value that will be used with your multiplier to determine your CPU speed. It's also a good idea to run your RAM 1:1 with your FSB, so set RAM to half the FSB. To change various voltages, I'm pretty sure you highlight the item and press + or -. Be careful with voltages, as too much will cause damage.
I recommend reading through this thread; it's long, but it's a good read and you'll likely learn a lot.
First of all welcome to XS :welcome:
Yup, as Fiskbit said this is a pretty decent thread. Lots of good info posted about quirks, bugs, failures, successes, and some great overclocks, most with screenshots, voltages, explanations, and advice. Take it slow to start. Learn the bios, the board, and how it relates to your particular hardware. There's a very good q9450 thread elsewhere in this intel section too so you can get an idea of what other people are doing with that cpu. Did I mention take it slow to start? :D A little patience goes a long way, and most of all have fun. Read a lot but also don't hesitate to ask questions, that's how we all learn. :up:
edit: To begin, in bios Cell Menu you'll need to set System Clock Mode to manual. Then you'll be able to adjust settings using either '+/-' keys or 'Page Up/Page Down'
massac78,
If you're new to overclocking, do a lot of reading and research. Not that much could really go wrong, but there's always that chance. Learn the architecture you are using first (Intel's FSB and memory/ratio divider system). Then move on to memory timings and voltages.
Good luck!
hy aaron,
sae you owned a q6700 on this mobo before q9450, and have a question for you: did you managed to change the q6700 multi on this mobo? Eventually, with wich version of bios? I'm using the 1.2b1 and while in bios i can change the multi, it doesn't affect the system, as it always set the x10 multi.
Wrote to MSI, but they told me that they can't get a q6700 for testing so can't help me.
I've got many usb recognize issues, so don't want to waste a lot of time trying to flash to differents bioses looking for the one that lets me change multi and then find it is a crappy ones...can you help me?
So i'm here with this cpu at 3.4 (340 x 10) with good temps (it's priming at 61°C max) but very high voltages (1.41 in bios and everest reading 1.34 in full load). So i'm wondering if it is safe try to get higher. I've always been told that a safe voltage for this cpu is 1.45 for air cooling, but i never went so far as my last cpus didn't need such a voltage, the last q6600 required me 1.425 to get to 3.6 Ghz (on an asus rampage formula, my 2nd rig) but theese days it's so hot that i had to set it to a safe 3.2 Ghz and still getting 67°C in full load.
So the question is: would you put 1.5 or 1.55v on a q6700 with air cooling as long as temps remains under 70°C?