AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

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10-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by xdan

Did you realized that guru3d had used same numbers for GTX 460 768MB/1GB as in the 12 july review of GTX 460, and from there there were released until now, 3-4 new drivers...:down:
Look in the 12 july review....

we could say thats fair cause this new arch may not be anywhere near optimized yet. so in the next 3 months this could get 5-10% better, while nvidia get the 5% bonus and maybe a few more.

but you do raise a good point. i would like to bet they were just rushing and didnt have time to get everything straitened out. but it shouldnt change TOO much.
10-21-2010, 01:21 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by xdan

Did you realized that guru3d had used same numbers for GTX 460 768MB/1GB as in the 12 july review of GTX 460, and from there there were released until now, 3-4 new drivers...:down:
Look in the 12 july review....

Do you really expect a magical 20+% jump across the board for 460 numbers just by using a newer driver? :confused: I used 20+% since this is what is needed for 460 768M version to barely beat 6850.In Guru3d review 6850 is faster than 460 1024M across the board,while AMD initially targeted 6870 as the competitor for this card(6870 just utterly destroys 460 1024M).
10-21-2010, 01:21 PM
RPGWiZaRD

What about their HD5850 and HD5870 results though? Are those outdated as well cuz that's the first comparision I made how they stand to HD5850 and HD5870 not NVIDIA and for me they suprised me a bit positively, I had been happy seeing HD6870 being just tiny bit in avg front of HD5850 and many times around the same.
10-21-2010, 01:22 PM
flopper

as well get a 6870 instead of a 5870.
that is how good they are.
10-21-2010, 01:23 PM
Lanek

I was not expect so much, ofc i will wait to see other " posted " reviews ( i mean not the stealed one's :ROTF: ) 255mm2 chips vs 351mm2( if i am right ) for the 5850 and they are so close of the 5870...
10-21-2010, 01:25 PM
kaktus1907

so HD 6870

GTS 450 die size
GTX 460 power consumption
GTX 470 performance

win^3 ??
10-21-2010, 01:26 PM
xdan

Also noticed that Gpu score in Vantage, for GTX 460 1GB is 12454, my Gigabyte GTX 460 OC 1GB with only 40Mhz on Gpu( to 712),with a not so powerful Cpu(an i3) and with not the latest drivers( 260.89), scores 13799...
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/868/vantagestock.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4...ti3t44l3e2.gif
10-21-2010, 01:27 PM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by kaktus1907

so HD 6870

GTS 450 die size
GTX 460 power consumption
GTX 470 performance

win^3 ??

No PhysX and not as good 3D tech, though... Eyefinity, on the other hand, is much nicer than Nvidia's alternative.
I still want to see tessellation performance. Metro bench, for example, does not look too good.
10-21-2010, 01:28 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by zalbard

No PhysX and not as good 3D tech, though... Eyefinity, on the other hand, is much nicer than Nvidia's alternative.
I still want to see tessellation performance. Metro bench, for example, does not look too good.

Didn't AMD bring 3D tech on NV's level with 6xxx series?
10-21-2010, 01:30 PM
ToxAvenger

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Originally Posted by informal

Didn't AMD bring 3D tech on NV's level with 6xxx series?

Only for 3D Blu-Ray. For gaming, it's still easier to just go out and buy a 3D Vision kit and hook it up. With AMD, you have to get everything yourself and hope it works.

Not a deal breaker for me because I'm not really sold on 3D gaming, but for people that want to get into it, Nvidia makes it much easier IMO.
10-21-2010, 01:31 PM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by informal

Didn't AMD bring 3D tech on NV's level with 6xxx series?

Not according to the article.

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Originally Posted by Guru3D

AMD HD3D

All new is AMD HD3D - it is comparable to NVIDIA's 3D Vision and thus brings 3D display support for games, movies and videos to the AMD Radeon lineup of graphics cards. This of course will require separate 3D Goggles. HD3D includes support for Blu-ray in 3D third-party 3D applications.

The new implementation is very tricky and in it's default setup, far far away from what NVIDIA's does (and i do mean that in a negative way). Now, 3D Blu-ray support will only need you to have the right hardware (glasses, graphcis card, 3D TV/monitor HDMI 1.4a cable) and a software playback solution supporting it.

3D Gaming wise ... AMD waved everything away, and that's where we think AMD HD3D is going to fail.

There are no kits, there is no real driver support within the Catalyst drivers. You can play games in 3D yet you'll need to actively get support for this yourself. Meaning AMD handed out 3D game support to 3rd party vendors. To get 3D Game support you must buy software from a company like DDD (Dynamic Digital Depth), the software implementation costs 50 USD (temporary priced at 25 USD), this will allow you to play games in 3D. Unfortunately these known methods in the past always have proven to be a little icky with lack of native game support. Next to that you'll need to seek and purchase a 3D Monitor with goggles and/or find a kit that provides these.

We're sure that the actual 3rd party vendors really like this as it will boost their sales, we however doubt very much the end-user will share that sentiment as well.
10-21-2010, 01:32 PM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by xdan

Did you realized that guru3d had used same numbers for GTX 460 768MB/1GB as in the 12 july review of GTX 460, and from there there were released until now, 3-4 new drivers...:down:
Look in the 12 july review....

This is what they say they used..

eVGA X58 Classified
Core i7 965 @ 3750 MHz
6144 MB (3x 2048 MB) DDR3 Corsair @ 1500 MHz
1200 Watt
Dell 3007WFP - up to 2560x1600
Windows 7 RTM 64-bit
DirectX 9/10 End User Runtime
ATI Catalyst 10.10 Beta
NVIDIA GeForce series 260 WHQL driver
10-21-2010, 01:34 PM
elzhi

looks good, can't wait to see the 6xxx series refresh for 5870 & 5970 :cool:
10-21-2010, 01:35 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Not according to the article.

Thanks,I couldn't read the article since it was down. Well AMD"s approach is clearly still inferior to NV's native 3D support for games so they have to work on that part more.It's a start though.
10-21-2010, 01:37 PM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks,I couldn't read the article since it was down. Well AMD"s approach is clearly still inferior to NV's native 3D support for games so they have to work on that part more.It's a start though.

They just need a decent driver implementation, really (AMD and drivers...), and some sort of standard for 3D glasses (I think they have one already, but not sure) and it should be about as good! :up:
10-21-2010, 01:37 PM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by ToxAvenger

Only for 3D Blu-Ray. For gaming, it's still easier to just go out and buy a 3D Vision kit and hook it up. With AMD, you have to get everything yourself and hope it works.

Not a deal breaker for me because I'm not really sold on 3D gaming, but for people that want to get into it, Nvidia makes it much easier IMO.

Their way was smart for HTCP people (automatic to get a receiver, TV, and playback software) but will be interesting to see how their decision on non proprietary for 3d gaming plays out. Too early to tell, because if they get alot of 3rd party support it will be a non issue. If the standard magenta/cyan (or whatever color) cheapo glasses work for example it would be an advantage by offering more choices for consumer.
10-21-2010, 01:38 PM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks,I couldn't read the article since it was down. Well AMD"s approach is clearly still inferior to NV's native 3D support for games so they have to work on that part more.It's a start though.

It's shockingly bad unless one of the resellers starts selling the gear, with their cards. Until that point, it's rubbish.

While I don't care for 3D or Physx, I do realise that people in the near future will start thinking of 3D gaming more and more. AMD need to get their partners to sort something out, physx is purely a fanboi thing.
10-21-2010, 01:40 PM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks,I couldn't read the article since it was down. Well AMD"s approach is clearly still inferior to NV's native 3D support for games so they have to work on that part more.It's a start though.

true; they need to aquire one of the 3rd party providers OR release a bundle with 3rd party software + 3d glasses together with their board partners :rolleyes:
10-21-2010, 01:43 PM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by ToxAvenger

Only for 3D Blu-Ray. For gaming, it's still easier to just go out and buy a 3D Vision kit and hook it up. With AMD, you have to get everything yourself and hope it works.

Not a deal breaker for me because I'm not really sold on 3D gaming, but for people that want to get into it, Nvidia makes it much easier IMO.

I was ask me too when i have see 1 month ago the UVD3 " rumoured " spec...

Still i think they should make a contract with a specific 3D systembrand and work with them for the driver, but i m not really interested ( only for fun sometimes) for this 3D stereo system...

I don't know how it will turn, but all the industry is having now their own systems ( from MS, Sony for gaming, to Samsung,LG, Panasonic etc etc ), i believe AMD don't want develop a proprietary system for see it drop in the trash in 1 year when some " standard " for it will appears.
10-21-2010, 01:44 PM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Motiv

While I don't care for 3D or Physx, I do realise that people in the near future will start thinking of 3D gaming more and more.

Me neither right now. Then again all people are different, and there is very little sense in alienating [perhaps a very small] part of the market.
These are not must have features for most right now, but they are nice to have, and this "nice" can [potentially] sell quite a lot of cards.
Gogo OpenCL! I'm still waiting for AMD to start supporting and promoting one of OpenCL engines...
10-21-2010, 01:45 PM
Pantsu

Apparently the AMD approach to 3D is that you'll have to buy a monitor+3d glasses combo from a third party, like that viewsonic model. I think it uses iz3d glasses or something like that. So it's up to them to make the drivers, which might or might not be a good thing. Of course Guru3D thinks this is a bit too complicated, and probably won't work as well as Nvidia's proprietary setup. I'd still give it a chance though, maybe there will be some reviews about 3D use too.

In any case these cards look superb! Both cards were slightly faster than what I anticipated, and slightly cheaper too. Of course it's good to check more reviews, with updated drivers and more in depth commentary on the performance, since this article was rather shallow imo.
10-21-2010, 01:45 PM
RPGWiZaRD

What I care about with 3D support is that they support 120Hz LCDs running properly in 120Hz then I'm fine, couldn't care less about gaming in 3D. IMO 120Hz/FPS gaming >>> 3D 60Hz per eye/FPS gaming.
10-21-2010, 01:49 PM
xdan

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What about their HD5850 and HD5870 results though? Are those outdated as well cuz that's the first comparision I made how they stand to HD5850 and HD5870 not NVIDIA and for me they suprised me a bit positively, I had been happy seeing HD6870 being just tiny bit in avg front of HD5850 and many times around the same.

Guys with all respect i think this is an unprofessional review, not to be trusted...It's a crap, they are f***ing liyng :shakes:
So today with Catalyst 10.10 or whatsoever, i don't care, in Crysis Warhead 5850 scores 38 FPS( 1920*1200, 2AA)....
Good...
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6...tg4224l3e2.gif
On 30 september with Catalist 8.66(more than a year ago)
5850 in the same game, same settings score just , that 38FPS
Se here http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...w-crossfire/15

Far Cry 2 today 50 FSP, check the rar archive...
Than , on 30 september, Catalyst 8.66 , 5850 scored even 1 FPS, more ,51 FPS
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...w-crossfire/11
10-21-2010, 01:49 PM
SpuTnicK

KApau! :)
10-21-2010, 01:50 PM
zalbard

Catalyst 10.10 beta can be bad, though. Has someone tested it?

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