Official AMD Barcelona Thread

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Hughes told us that AMD still expects the performance of Barcelona at 2.6 GHz to come in at what the estimate has shown – or “even a bit higher”.

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How does one define "a bit"? Not enough to reclaim 20% "at the same clock" I reckon.

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At least according to AMD’s Barcelona website, the firm’s 68w/95w/125w chips will have an advantage over comparable Xeons (65w/80w), at least as long as 65w Xeons are pitched against 68w and 95w Opterons and the 80w Xeon against the 95w Opteron.

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And yes, the low-power Clovertown processors (50w) were left out of consideration in this comparison.

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:rolleyes:

"By Wolfgang Gruener" That says it all as far as im concerned. Only when someone with more credibility confirms this will i treat this as something that isn't FUD

Some bickering removed. Next time people are getting infractions.

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Originally Posted by Lithan

Some bickering removed. Next time people are getting infractions.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

This thread is the last bastion for AMD fanboi's. Why on earth would they want to embrace logic after all this time?

I really hope Phenom turns into a true competitor, if solely for sake of having a choice besides Intel.

But as others have pointed out here - if you have the goods, and your competition is doing nothing but repeatedly packing your lunch in terms of sales and revenue, you don't keep tight-lipped about it.

Unless, of course, you are sitting on a dud.

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Any of us Geeks who love technology really truly want to see Barcelona and Phenom kickass. Even cheap Geeks want to see them do well so Intel will not raise prices because of lack of Competition. You'll get nowhere with nn forgetaboutit!

If Barkie was as kickass AMD's F@n$ think it will be, it'd make ZERO sense, IMHO, that AMD would hide test results. Both AMD and Intel have tooted their own horn when they knew they had a winner! Folks at this forum should know that more than anyone.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Any of us Geeks who love technology really truly want to see Barcelona and Phenom kickass. Even cheap Geeks want to see them do well so Intel will not raise prices because of lack of Competition. You'll get nowhere with nn forgetaboutit!

If Barkie was as kickass AMD's F@n$ think it will be, it'd make ZERO sense, IMHO, that AMD would hide test results. Both AMD and Intel have tooted their own horn when they knew they had a winner! Folks at this forum should know that more than anyone.

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Whether it makes sense to you or not AMD did exactly the same thing when they launched the Opteron line. So i think the silence means nothing at all. Its just AMD being AMD. We will find out for real once the NDA is lifted.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Whether it makes sense to you or not AMD did exactly the same thing when they launched the Opteron line. So i think the silence means nothing at all. Its just AMD being AMD. We will find out for real once the NDA is lifted.

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Not really, they played the hammertime 1 year ahead on Intel and told everyone about it.

This time they have been awfully quiet. Specially while they have removed estimated/simulated Barcelona benchmarls from their own page.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Not really, they played the hammertime 1 year ahead on Intel and told everyone about it.

This time they have been awfully quiet. Specially while they have removed estimated/simulated Barcelona benchmarls from their own page.

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Not true. AMD has been talking about Barcelona for a long time now. They just haven't released any benchmarks. That they removed those estimated numbers just shows that AMD is committed to showing accurate data, which is something that i could hardly say about Intel. According to that crappy article mentioned on the other thread the NDA lifts this month so we should know shortly either way

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Whether it makes sense to you or not AMD did exactly the same thing when they launched the Opteron line. So i think the silence means nothing at all. Its just AMD being AMD. We will find out for real once the NDA is lifted.

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Not true at all=P AMD showed off the Hammer running at only 800MHz a year before it launched. AMD Demoed a Clawhammer over a year before launch, NO ONE questioned their estimating its performance because folks got hands on tests and no PHUCKING NDA. In fact, they showed it off at a Feb-IDF. I say again, IF AMD had something, they'd do the same thing Intel did with Conroe. I don't see either of the Companies being better or worse than the other. They both have been Champs and Chumps.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...yes&i=1591&p=4

All AMD has done was Bla-bla-bla and that ain't squat. Talk is cheap. I saw so called leaks of and about X2 and they had tons of folks here going OMG that %$^#*& rawks! So please don't go there? There's no way in heck AMD is holding back while taking this kind of spanking.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Not really, they played the hammertime 1 year ahead on Intel and told everyone about it.

This time they have been awfully quiet. Specially while they have removed estimated/simulated Barcelona benchmarls from their own page.

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Yulp, see post #812?

I hope for all of our sake this thing does kick-ass. No one can expect Intel to keep up their friendly price points if Supply and Demand takes over.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Not true. AMD has been talking about Barcelona for a long time now. They just haven't released any benchmarks. That they removed those estimated numbers just shows that AMD is committed to showing accurate data, which is something that i could hardly say about Intel. According to that crappy article mentioned on the other thread the NDA lifts this month so we should know shortly either way

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AMD? Accurate data? In the same sentence? Hahaha! :ROTF: :clap:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html Turion vs CoreDuo... very nice.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E14820,00.html
Looks like X2 doesn't have much of a problem outperforming C2D then! Check the platform used for C2D... 946GZIS?!?! WTF?! :ROTF: :rofl:

Make no mistake, AMD is just as bad as Intel (if not worse) when it comes to fudging numbers in their favour. It's just business. It's up to us discerning techies to seperate the FUD from the truth.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

According to that crappy article mentioned on the other thread the NDA lifts this month so we should know shortly either way

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Which crappy article?

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

AMD? Accurate data? In the same sentence? Hahaha! :ROTF: :clap:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html

Looks like X2 doesn't have much of a problem outperforming C2D then! Check the platform used for C2D... 946GZIS?!?! WTF?! :ROTF: :rofl:

Make no mistake, AMD is just as bad as Intel (if not worse) when it comes to fudging numbers in their favour. It's just business. It's up to us discerning techies to seperate the FUD from the truth.

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You better hide to lear reading : AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile compare to Core Duo (NOT Core 2 Duo) :clap:

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

You better hide to lear reading : AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile compare to Core Duo (NOT Core 2 Duo) :clap:

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Correct links now. Thanks for correction! :up:

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

AMD? Accurate data? In the same sentence? Hahaha! :ROTF: :clap:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html Turion vs CoreDuo... very nice.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E14820,00.html
Looks like X2 doesn't have much of a problem outperforming C2D then! Check the platform used for C2D... 946GZIS?!?! WTF?! :ROTF: :rofl:

Make no mistake, AMD is just as bad as Intel (if not worse) when it comes to fudging numbers in their favour. It's just business. It's up to us discerning techies to seperate the FUD from the truth.

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Yes AMD still kick's Intel's ass in bandwidth tests. How can you not accept that?

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E14820,00.html
Looks like X2 doesn't have much of a problem outperforming C2D then! Check the platform used for C2D... 946GZIS?!?! WTF?! :ROTF: :rofl:

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Same.
Desktop UMA (integrated graphics) Platform performance - Overall Performance
Xpress 1150 compare to 946G. So not comparing X2 to C2D...again.
Same player try again:up:

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Originally Posted by red

Which crappy article?

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This one http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/ar...fud_versu.html .
Although there does seem to be a piece of useful information in it. Nda on barcelona is lifted this month?

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Same.
Desktop UMA (integrated graphics) Platform performance - Overall Performance
Xpress 1150 compare to 946G. So not comparing X2 to C2D...again.
Same player try again:up:

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So its not apple to apples. And it goes under the..uncanny..benches. And they put most weight on the CPUs.

So please...stop try and defend a company when they make such crappy benches. Same goes for Intel ofcourse.

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Yes AMD still kick's Intel's ass in bandwidth tests. How can you not accept that?

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And we all know how thats a great overview for performance.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

So its not apple to apples. And it goes under the..uncanny..benches. And they put most weight on the CPUs.

So please...stop try and defend a company when they make such crappy benches. Same goes for Intel ofcourse.

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How did people get to integrated GPU talk? We all know Intel lied about G965 performance. AMD's 690G is a little better in the fact that it can run some games on minimum everything. But we all know integrated GPUs suck :banana: to begin with no matter what it is.

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

How did people get to integrated GPU talk? We all know Intel lied about G965 performance. AMD's 690G is a little better in the fact that it can run some games on minimum everything. But we all know integrated GPUs suck :banana: to begin with no matter what it is.

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Because when you mix media encoding, virus scan and office production benches with enough game benches the X2 looks better with IGPs.

Gotta love marketing...I wonder if Barcelona will need the same treatment to stand out.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Because when you mix media encoding, virus scan and office production benches with enough game benches the X2 looks better with IGPs.

Gotta love marketing...I wonder if Barcelona will need the same treatment to stand out.

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Basically you say that when we use our computer normally X2 looks better :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Basically you say that when we use our computer normally X2 looks better :rolleyes:

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Nope, unless you play on IGPs.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

This one http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/ar...fud_versu.html .
Although there does seem to be a piece of useful information in it. Nda on barcelona is lifted this month?

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May 16, 2007

lol

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7927

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In fact, AMD publically denied the Barcelona would top out at anything over 2.0 GHz at launch when it does launch on August 27.

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

AMD? Accurate data? In the same sentence? Hahaha! :ROTF: :clap:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html Turion vs CoreDuo... very nice.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E14820,00.html
Looks like X2 doesn't have much of a problem outperforming C2D then! Check the platform used for C2D... 946GZIS?!?! WTF?! :ROTF: :rofl:

Make no mistake, AMD is just as bad as Intel (if not worse) when it comes to fudging numbers in their favour. It's just business. It's up to us discerning techies to seperate the FUD from the truth.

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I don't see what's wrong with the data. It seems very accurate to me. Turion X2 and Core 1 Duo (not Core 2 Duo) are pretty much comparable, and that is a slide showing performance with INTEGRATED GRAPHICS. AMD has been traditionally strong in this area. Again, I don't see what problem is.

This seems much better than Intel running heavily cherry-picked CPU samples for their shows. At least the AMD demos have been representative of the current processor health.