MSI 975X Platinum PowerUP Ed..anyone?

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Originally Posted by ninjagordy

lads....... what do i do?....my msi 975x power up has arrived, but i also have a p5b deluxe on order...................i have a "cool off" rma for the 975x as long as i dont open it.....but........what do i do....im dying to give it a shot.......

i know the p5b deluxe is definatley the higher fsb option and i have a E6400 e.s. and an E600 retail sitting....help me chose lads......

Gordy!:confused:

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MSI with E6600!

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Originally Posted by hifiking

I tried now, even at 1.75 pciev 400 isn't stable, but at 390 it's stable at even 1.55 pciev.

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Try cranking up the VDIMM a notch. I had to raise it to 2.25 to get things stable at 1:1 375 on my OCZ ram rated at 2-2.1 V.

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Originally Posted by alternaria

Try cranking up the VDIMM a notch. I had to raise it to 2.25 to get things stable at 1:1 375 on my OCZ ram rated at 2-2.1 V.

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I tried that now, and still unstable even at vdimm 2,35.

So I will stick to 390 and se how low I can go on the volts, and tighten my timings.

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Originally Posted by NickS

I'd go with the MSI. It can do 400FSB, we know that. Stable, in most cases too. That's more than enough for your E6600. TodB claims he has connections at MSI (wicked sweet :D) and says they're working on the boot issues. So yeah, I'd go with the MSI.

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Yeah, I know some people, but that doesn't mean, that they will fix everything... I mean I don't know if they CAN fix everything... but will do my best to "push" them at least to try ;)

Nice one TodB, thanks :)

You bet.... I NEED to get that board to run like I should.... so imagine me kicking some serious butts @MSI for that ;)

No, serious - I really want that 975X to work like it should... and I'll do my best, like i'm the CEO of MSI and that's a 1st priority task :) .....well, sort of... :D :D

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I tried that now, and still unstable even at vdimm 2,35.

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hifiking, what do you mean by "unstable"? Unstable booting windows? Unstable in windows? while doing superpi? or it just refuses to post?

For me to get 400 FSB (on a E6400) it still takes several reboots and the sacrifice of a chicken .. of course once im in windows its as solid as a rock.

Have you tried setting FSB 390 in bios and using clockgen for the next 10Mhz?
You can also lower your multiplier in windows using speedstep, do this to see if your CPU has reached its threshold at that voltage.

Try tightening the timings on your memory down to 3-3-3-9 as well, this will give you an idea as to whether its the memory or cpu/chipset thats flaking out.

It really is a slow process of elimination to get past FSB 360 .. you're already at 390 so I'm pretty sure you could make 400 with a bit more work, you have to ask yourself though "is it worth it?" .. i would leave it, cross your fingers and hope for a new bios .. the cold boot issue makes working with anything above FSB 360 very frustrating.

ninjagordy, i would actually go with the P5B right now. From what i've read people are getting much better results with the new 0507 BIOS which has the bonus of an unlocked (downward) multiplier (which in all honesty probably isnt very useful .. upwards multiplier on the other hand is a different story).

If you are a gambling man though stick with the MSI. If a new bios comes out that fixes cold boot and unlocks the multi this could be the core 2 board de jour. I would think the odds are pretty good that the bios will be fixed eventually but it can be a real pain testing beta bios after beta bios.

Either way you are going to be flipping a coin as it appears there is a huge difference in how well individual boards overclock even from the same vendor. I believe the reason for this is that these chipsets were never designed to do FSB > 266 and binning would probably stop at this point so you have a pretty large margin of error in the manufacturing process. Give it about 4 months and i think we will see the motherboard vendors offering products that are binned at FSB 333. Everyone knows that the Core 2 chips themselves overclock like the clappers and I think some industrious board manufacturer will use this to differentiate their product

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Originally Posted by idioms

hifiking, what do you mean by "unstable"? Unstable booting windows? Unstable in windows? while doing superpi? or it just refuses to post?

For me to get 400 FSB (on a E6400) it still takes several reboots and the sacrifice of a chicken .. of course once im in windows its as solid as a rock.

Have you tried setting FSB 390 in bios and using clockgen for the next 10Mhz?
You can also lower your multiplier in windows using speedstep, do this to see if your CPU has reached its threshold at that voltage.

Try tightening the timings on your memory down to 3-3-3-9 as well, this will give you an idea as to whether its the memory or cpu/chipset thats flaking out.

It really is a slow process of elimination to get past FSB 360 .. you're already at 390 so I'm pretty sure you could make 400 with a bit more work, you have to ask yourself though "is it worth it?" .. i would leave it, cross your fingers and hope for a new bios .. the cold boot issue makes working with anything above FSB 360 very frustrating.

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Thanks, my defenition of unstable is crash in 3dmark05, i passes the first 3 gpu tests, but fails at the first cpu test.

I have no problems with booting or restarting.

My memory craps out at 360 if i put the timings tighter than 4-4-3-8

Which clockgen should I use?

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Thanks, my defenition of unstable is crash in 3dmark05, i passes the first 3 gpu tests, but fails at the first cpu test.

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Thats good. It means that you should be able to stabilize with tweaking. You just need to find which component is failing. I can't recall are you running an E6600?


clockgen: ICS945123 i think

loosen your ram out to 55515 and using a divider (use the latest 716 bios) see how far you can push the ram clock at your highest comfortable voltage. Check your ram temps if you are above v2.2, past this point your ram (which is only rated to 2.1) will probably start to heat up very rapidly and you'll need active cooling.

One peculiarity of this board (not sure if its true for all 975x) is that your ram needs to be set at high vdimm for high FSB, even if your ram is rated at that speed for much lower voltages. I have no idea why this is the case.

cheers for that one lads, i suppose on the right note, i can get a full refund on the 975x and if it turns out to be the best option i can get it at a later date.....

so its getting retuned today and hopefully my P5B Deluxe may be here this afternoon.....

cheers for the help guys, i will keep you posted on the results when it arrives.....

best regards

Gordy!:woot:

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Originally Posted by idioms

Thats good. It means that you should be able to stabilize with tweaking. You just need to find which component is failing. I can't recall are you running an E6600?


clockgen: ICS945123 i think

loosen your ram out to 55515 and using a divider (use the latest 716 bios) see how far you can push the ram clock at your highest comfortable voltage. Check your ram temps if you are above v2.2, past this point your ram (which is only rated to 2.1) will probably start to heat up very rapidly and you'll need active cooling.

One peculiarity of this board (not sure if its true for all 975x) is that your ram needs to be set at high vdimm for high FSB, even if your ram is rated at that speed for much lower voltages. I have no idea why this is the case.

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Yea, its the E6600, and my ram is covered by lifetime warranty at 2.2V But how do I check the ramtemps?

Now I use this:

E6600, vcore 1.55v
OCZ 6400, 2.1v, 4-4-3-8, 1:1
PCIe volt 1.55v
FSB 390

And its stable in 3DMark05, just got my highest score; 13529. And SuperPI 14.391

I was told, that the techies in .tw are now trying to fix the warm boot issues.... and was given some new BIOS, W7246ims.71a.... you mau wanna try it on your own risk... :)
I'll be hosting it for a day or two, so somebody may wanna rehost it somewhere else :)

http://www.hardwaresight.com/pic/con...3/W7246ims.71a

Im glad that MSI is atleast doing something about the bios problems.

so i assume the 71a you're posting is newer than the 716? i just talked to their tech support an hour ago and they gave me 716.

I just updated to 7a, and it says 08/30/2006 in cpuz, is this the day the bios was made?

Well I dunno the release date... they just throw that BIOS at me to make me shut up for at least 12 hours... :) will see what will that BIOS do for me in some 2-3 hours...

Can't wait to hear the results!

I just tried the 719 bios from a post in msi forums.. my advice on that one is dont try it!
It gave me a 2c CPU temp.. rubbish!
It also gave a checksum error on first POST
As well as issues POSTing correctly (would start, shutdown. start, shutdown)
when it did try to POST without shutdown it would not display anything!

I wil try the 71a cos I hate these issues - if no improvement Gigabyte DS3 here I come!

On the 71A:
Wow! :banana: for the first time I can CTRL ALT DEL and actually continue to POST !!!
I'm gonna try to Windows reboot and see if it actually does it! BRB

Is it peanut butter jelly time yet with this bios?! :)

hey why dont you try it out ScottFern :stick:

Depends on what issues you've been having - I have plenty ..lol
It seems quicker, more stable.. mainly on the POST side of things - it's POSTed successfully more times than other BIOSes
I've only had it for an hour or two but I'm happy to keep it going.

ScottFernHow did you get your FSB up to 400????? I'm VERY interested to know! :D

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Originally Posted by FrobinRobin

hey why dont you try it out ScottFern :stick:

Depends on what issues you've been having - I have plenty ..lol
It seems quicker, more stable.. mainly on the POST side of things - it's POSTed successfully more times than other BIOSes
I've only had it for an hour or two but I'm happy to keep it going.

ScottFernHow did you get your FSB up to 400????? I'm VERY interested to know! :D

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I apologize for the false advertising. I am actually at 375FSB currently. The reason I haven't messed with the bios was frustration with the cold boot/warm boot issues and the fact I have a P5B on the way.

I might try it tonight however. Your positive experience has convinced me to try it.

I will try the new bios, but stay away from 716. It has screwed up my stablity, Im not even stable at stock! The only way I could be stable using 716 was to underclock to 2.8 Ghz and raise CPU voltage to 1.48, Vdimm 2.2 and vMCH to 1.6.

Yeah I flashed to 716 and all of a sudden I started to get the reboot issues everyone else was having :mad: 71A is definitley the worst bios though. I couldn't boot at anything but stock! I think there is a setting in the BIOS that is causing certain things to happen such as the reboot issue.
If you guys feel like reading, this is a list of everything I have changed :

C1E - Disabled
Speedstep - Disabled
Floppy - Disabled
Other Boot Device - Disabled
System Bios Cacheable - Disabled
Spread Spectrum - Disabled
Auto PCI clock - Disabled
FSB 363 (3640 in windows) 1.51 Vcore (1.48)
Ram 1:1 363 3-3-3-10 (2.3V)
PCI-E 1.7V

Thats so weird how I can run prime stable at these settings for about 8 1/2 hours with 715, yet I flash to 71A and it won't even boot. I hope MSI engineers aren't having a very hard time fixing these issues. I got really pissed when I couldn't install Vista RC1 because of the reboot issue. Please iron these kinks out.