The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-21-2010, 05:48 AM
annihilat0r

except 480 isn't high end. BTW I'm also sick of the "whatever happens it must be because Nvidia sucks" comments.

"480 prices not $700 as previously mentioned??? Then the cards must suck!!" Really? So you think it would be better news if the card was $700?
"The cooler looks good! Which means the cards will be very hot and they won't OC at all!!" So you could OC better if the cooler was worse?
03-21-2010, 05:53 AM
Chumbucket843

http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/...Processors.jpg
geforce cooler looks quite similar to tesla.

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Yep especially since the latest Cat drivers have been excellent. It will be interesting to see if the 2GB 5870s get a boost too

i think reviewers will recognize that people want 10.3 drivers in their latest reviews. if they read any tech forum they would know that.
03-21-2010, 05:56 AM
Marios

I can't believe Nvidia GTX480 reference design has heatpipes that increase the height of the card out of specs.
It's ugly and doesn't fit in my case. So no Fermi for me.
03-21-2010, 05:58 AM
Macadamia

Isn't that the old design? I suspect They've made the gaps in the heatsink wider so more air can pass through (and a bit of heat can get out on the AL plate now that it isn't shrouded)

You do wonder how long it needs to cool down after a gaming session to take it out of the PC though.
03-21-2010, 06:01 AM
eternal_fantasy

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

"The cooler looks good! Which means the cards will be very hot and they won't OC at all!!" So you could OC better if the cooler was worse?

More of:

"So I could OC better when I replace the stock :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty air cooler with quality waterblock"

Assuming both the air coolers are designed to be "adequate" under stock clocks.
03-21-2010, 06:07 AM
insurgent

$500USD isn't high end now? Is that mid-range? Wow.
03-21-2010, 06:12 AM
Marios

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Originally Posted by saaya

look whos talking :lol:

so let me get this straight, the card doesnt have a beefy heatsink cause it needs it, it doesnt... not at all... it probably runs super cool, nvidia only put an expensive beefy heatsink on there because... well...?

Well, to reduce the noise maybe? :yepp:
03-21-2010, 06:15 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by insurgent

$500USD isn't high end now? Is that mid-range? Wow.

If $500 is high end what is $700?
03-21-2010, 06:17 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by badboy18187

@GoldenTiger: i don`t understand why are you so biased against Ati?have you even tried the new drivers to see how they stack up?but as I have read your past posts it seems your are an Nvidia fanboy.
Ontopic:I can sense the tension Nvidia has started until now with Fermi, although as I am not a fanboy of either the green team or the red team, i just hope both gtx470 and 480 are very good.Especially the 480 because in the pics that mindfury posted, those heatpipes and that serious cooling indicated that it might actually be a serious overclocker.I don`t know, in the end we`ll see on Friday and be thoroughly amazed or simply dissappointed.

Just because I post that I had bad experiences with ATI products doesn't make me a fanboy of nvidia's stuff :rolleyes:. I tried the 10.2 drivers prior to selling my 5870, as well, same issues mostly, as I said in my posts if you had actually read them instead of just going "OMG must be an nV fanboy!!!!" at first glance ;). Just because someone doesn't like one product doesn't make them a zealot of the competitor automatically, unless you are a fanboy of the one they don't like you wouldn't construe comments like I make as that.

The heatsink on the 480 looks very heavy duty indeed :eek: .

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

If $500 is high end what is $700?

Benchmark extreme territory?
03-21-2010, 06:27 AM
BatteryOperated

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

except 480 isn't high end. BTW I'm also sick of the "whatever happens it must be because Nvidia sucks" comments.

"480 prices not $700 as previously mentioned??? Then the cards must suck!!" Really? So you think it would be better news if the card was $700?
"The cooler looks good! Which means the cards will be very hot and they won't OC at all!!" So you could OC better if the cooler was worse?

Well, with Nvidia fanboys, it comes in two ways. Either Nvidia will crush Intel and AMD, or they will go bankrupt.

Take for for example AMD. One bad quarter and every self-proclaimed economic professor prophecies bankruptcy.

The Empire Strikes Back. The Rebel snowspeeder makes one last daring attempt on General Veer's AT-AT. But it is struck mid-air by laser blasts, loses flight control, and spins helplessly through the air until it crashes. Remember that scene? Metaphorically speaking, that is the result Nvidia fan boys expect when ATi faces the overwhelming power of FERMI.

Failing that, they will slide into a shame spiral.
03-21-2010, 06:30 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by insurgent

$500USD isn't high end now? Is that mid-range? Wow.

Since GeForce 8800 Ultra was launched at $829 and GTX 280 was launched for $650
03-21-2010, 06:44 AM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

If $500 is high end what is $700?

Enthusiasist.
03-21-2010, 07:04 AM
eric66

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Just because I post that I had bad experiences with ATI products doesn't make me a fanboy of nvidia's stuff :rolleyes:. I tried the 10.2 drivers prior to selling my 5870, as well, same issues mostly, as I said in my posts if you had actually read them instead of just going "OMG must be an nV fanboy!!!!" at first glance ;). Just because someone doesn't like one product doesn't make them a zealot of the competitor automatically, unless you are a fanboy of the one they don't like you wouldn't construe comments like I make as that.

The heatsink on the 480 looks very heavy duty indeed :eek: .

Benchmark extreme territory?

goldentiger isn't nvidia fanboy i can vouch for him if needed :p: seems he just had terrible experience with 5xxx series. sh_t happens what can i say :ROTF:
03-21-2010, 07:16 AM
Sushi Warrior

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Originally Posted by BatteryOperated

Well, with Nvidia fanboys, it comes in two ways. Either Nvidia will crush Intel and AMD, or they will go bankrupt.

Take for for example AMD. One bad quarter and every self-proclaimed economic professor prophecies bankruptcy.

The Empire Strikes Back. The Rebel snowspeeder makes one last daring attempt on General Veer's AT-AT. But it is struck mid-air by laser blasts, loses flight control, and spins helplessly through the air until it crashes. Remember that scene? Metaphorically speaking, that is the result Nvidia fan boys expect when ATi faces the overwhelming power of FERMI.

Failing that, they will slide into a shame spiral.

Just want to remind you Nvidia makes most of their money off workstation Quadro cards, Tegra, and laptop GPU's. Oh, and stuff for Apple. Fermi can only really help the company, as no matter how hot/big/expensive it can be it will be the #1 in performance for a single GPU card and that is a HUGE marketing tool for Nvidia's low end stuff. They don't make the money off the sales of Fermi...
03-21-2010, 07:28 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by eric66

goldentiger isn't nvidia fanboy i can vouch for him if needed :p: seems he just had terrible experience with 5xxx series. sh_t happens what can i say :ROTF:

I get called a fanboy of every company under the sun hehe from time to time, because I don't stick with one company, I go with whatever product looks good at the time: ATI, nvidia, AMD, Intel, OCZ, Corsair, Crucial, Blizzard, Mythic Entertainment, Sony, Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, etc. etc. :rofl: . If I have a bad experience with one, such as happened this time (I used to be called a major ATI fanboy back in the 9700pro and 4870 pre-launch days haha), I will call out about it. Just because I had a bad experience with the 5870 doesn't mean I never ever will look at an ATI product again, just not for this generation at least though, likely.

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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior

Just want to remind you Nvidia makes most of their money off workstation Quadro cards, Tegra, and laptop GPU's. Oh, and stuff for Apple. Fermi can only really help the company, as no matter how hot/big/expensive it can be it will be the #1 single GPU card and that is a HUGE marketing tool for Nvidia's low end stuff. They don't make the money off the sales of Fermi...

Well said, it's called a flagship :D.
03-21-2010, 07:38 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by Vardant

Enthusiasist.

No, the high end is just that, the HIGH and the END. $700 is high end. $500 isn't.
03-21-2010, 07:46 AM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

No, the high end is just that, the HIGH and the END. $700 is high end. $500 isn't.

Nvidia can't pull off high end cards anymore. Someone has changed the game... :yepp:
03-21-2010, 07:47 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

No, the high end is just that, the HIGH and the END. $700 is high end. $500 isn't.

No, it's not called the high end, it's called the asking price. Remember, $700 is just that, $700.
03-21-2010, 07:48 AM
Funky

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

No, the high end is just that, the HIGH and the END. $700 is high end. $500 isn't.

In terms of the market, anything over $250 is considered as high end to be honest.

We have created pseudo-categories of high end / enthusiast level etc etc.
03-21-2010, 07:51 AM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

No, the high end is just that, the HIGH and the END. $700 is high end. $500 isn't.

So if 500 isn't high-end, how dou you propose we call it? Cause it sure ain't mainstream.
03-21-2010, 07:51 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

i think reviewers will recognize that people want 10.3 drivers in their latest reviews. if they read any tech forum they would know that.

I am sure many will. Unfortunately, as it stands the 10.3a drivers have me putting a "fail" in the charts for the HD 5970 in AvP. :(
03-21-2010, 07:57 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Funky

In terms of the market, anything over $250 is considered as high end to be honest.

We have created pseudo-categories of high end / enthusiast level etc etc.

Yeah to the avg consumer on high end pricing would be like wtf end / are you for real level / costs more than household appliances end hardware / I can feed my pet for year on that level.
03-21-2010, 08:13 AM
Musho

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I am sure many will. Unfortunately, as it stands the 10.3a drivers have me putting a "fail" in the charts for the HD 5970 in AvP. :(

Have you downloaded the newest profiles? It's said to contain a crossfire profile for AvP too, so it might fix whatever problem you are currently facing. :up:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=247780
03-21-2010, 08:18 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I am sure many will. Unfortunately, as it stands the 10.3a drivers have me putting a "fail" in the charts for the HD 5970 in AvP. :(

The new profile update released on the 19th apparently addresses that. I wonder who will use it as part of their showdown reviews?
03-21-2010, 08:21 AM
flippin_waffles

[edit]

ahh nm, the profile has already been menitoned!

[edit 2]

If all else fails, you could always ask Brent and Kyle for help over at [H], as they never seemed to have any problems. Its seems so even without the new profile. I assume you've investigated the issue prior to printing 'fail' in said column! :D

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