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05-09-2007, 08:25 AM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by Xion X2

Where are you getting this? The only game I've seen benchmarked out of about 15 so far where this was the case is Company of Heroes. In everything else, it gets killed by the GTX.

Got a link?

This comes from a sincere interest, btw. I've been really unhappy with Nvidia's buggy drivers / hardware and am looking at going another route. But I haven't been impressed at all by what I've seen from the R600 so far.

CoH doesn't count...

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There are two things we can conclude from our first round of testing on this pretty obsolete, but still the highest-end chipset on the market for Socket AM2. First thing, there are some very strange "happenings" with Company of Heroes that forced us to suspect some driver problems. It seems possible that AA/AF settings have some problems with CoH and Radeon HD2900XT, so take these results with a tiny bit of salt. We'll add sugar to "neutralize" a bit later. We noticed similar problems (a bit worse, though) with Radeon HD 2600/2400 when we played around with them last week, but they have entirely different set of drivers that aren't ready right now. Video - very soon.

Sounds like AA/AF isn't working properly with CoH on the HD 2900XT.
05-09-2007, 08:36 AM
Nicksterr

Can't wait to test this baby out on EQ2.
05-09-2007, 08:39 AM
madcho

Day - 5 ... :banana:
05-09-2007, 08:40 AM
jagt

AA isn't properly enabled in COH on my X1950XTX either unless I rename the .exe to "Oblivion.exe". I believe this game uses HDR, and thus somehow you have to make the drivers think it's Oblivion (chuck patch, anyone?) to make it work. It's been like this since Cat 7.1 or so.
05-09-2007, 08:47 AM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagt

AA isn't properly enabled in COH on my X1950XTX either unless I rename the .exe to "Oblivion.exe". I believe this game uses HDR, and thus somehow you have to make the drivers think it's Oblivion (chuck patch, anyone?) to make it work. It's been like this since Cat 7.1 or so.

That explains why the 2900 slaughters the the 8800gtx in CoH and only in CoH.
05-09-2007, 08:53 AM
naokaji

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Originally Posted by Nicksterr

Can't wait to test this baby out on EQ2.

what? i'm not the only one playing eq2? :woot:
05-09-2007, 08:57 AM
deathman20

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Originally Posted by biohead

Sapphire Radeon HD2900XT 512MB € 339,45 :eek:
http://www.azerty.nl/producten/produ...-hd2900xt.html

Damn thats cheap.
05-09-2007, 09:18 AM
NightCrawler™

It's going to get cheaper for sure....
05-09-2007, 09:52 AM
vengance_01

Well most ppl can get close to GTX Speeds with a GTS as long as you O/C the card. At near 200$, the 8800GTS 320MB card is really a difficult card to beat unless you are running super high resolution.
05-09-2007, 10:38 AM
7he ]-[0rr0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagt

AA isn't properly enabled in COH on my X1950XTX either unless I rename the .exe to "Oblivion.exe". I believe this game uses HDR, and thus somehow you have to make the drivers think it's Oblivion (chuck patch, anyone?) to make it work. It's been like this since Cat 7.1 or so.

Do you have catalyst ai enabled? That *may* have sothing to do with it.
05-09-2007, 11:18 AM
ahmad

Obviously question #1 is which drivers were used. Second thing is, they show both AM2 and Conroe hardware in the system specs, and a few motherboards. This is a huge flaw because if they ran the ATI tests on the AMD platform, we all know its gonna be worse than if it was run on the Intel setup.

And 3rd and most important thing is: show me stock 3dmark numbers. They don't mean much to me, but I use them as a reference when looking at results.

This review tells me nothing besides the fact that the author wasted his time and ours...

EDIT: I am referring to this: http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...=1314&Itemid=1
05-09-2007, 12:19 PM
jagt

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Originally Posted by 7he ]-[0rr0r

Do you have catalyst ai enabled? That *may* have sothing to do with it.

Ah yes, that's correct. I've always used Catalyst AI as it gives me slightly higher 3Dmark scores. I'll try disabling that tomorrow and test.

What is it, and why would it matter? I mean, the AA works if I rename the .exe to Oblivion.
05-09-2007, 01:09 PM
Xion X2

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Originally Posted by vengance_01

Well most ppl can get close to GTX Speeds with a GTS as long as you O/C the card. At near 200$, the 8800GTS 320MB card is really a difficult card to beat unless you are running super high resolution.

Oh boy.. here we go with this stuff again.

Apples to oranges. Can you not also overclock a GTX to widen the performance gap once again?

I've never understood the mindset of guys who want to compare an overclocked card with a non-overclocked card. Makes no sense.

A better comparison to make in this case would be a GTX overclocked to its max on stock voltage and an XT overclocked to its max on stock voltage. That's the setup that will be most common.
05-09-2007, 01:14 PM
fornowagain

Just revisiting the review posted earlier they've added this, which is strangely exactly how I imagined him to look. :D

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2...0test12cj3.jpg
05-09-2007, 01:18 PM
ownage

LOL, ape with 6 R600 cards OMG!!
05-09-2007, 01:22 PM
XS2K

5 R600 and one X2600 :p:
05-09-2007, 01:30 PM
Scimitar

That "Review" is complete and utter B.S. They used an AM2 cpu on a NForce 590 motherboard for the HD 2900XT, and a Conroe chip for the 8800s. How is that an apples to apples comparison? Lets put the 8800s on a Pentium 3 and see how they do against a HD 2900XT on a Phenom.
05-09-2007, 01:32 PM
perkam

Driver issues are the only concern I have there...

Otherwise, as i said...ppl should be ready for those being the correct stock numbers...

Again though, the power lies in the oc for this card (with confirmed no cold bug till -90C).

BIG EDIT: I also saw that they used two systems for the test but didn't say which card they used with with system...kind of pathetic.

Perkam
05-09-2007, 01:37 PM
ownage

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Originally Posted by perkam

Driver issues are the only concern I have there...

Otherwise, as i said...ppl should be ready for those being the correct stock numbers...

Again though, the power lies in the oc for this card (with confirmed no cold bug till -90C).

Perkam

Yep, driver issues for sure, but lots of nVidiots only look at the first benchmarks. And after they have seen some benchmarks, they dont look again 3 months later. I know some diehard nVidiots, and i allready know they will say X2900 sucks for the rest of there lives :mad:
But luckely i know better :toast:
05-09-2007, 01:57 PM
Periander6

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Driver issues are the only concern I have there...

Otherwise, as i said...ppl should be ready for those being the correct stock numbers...

Again though, the power lies in the oc for this card (with confirmed no cold bug till -90C).

Perkam

The "power" is right. With these things sporting a TDP of 225 watts at stock just to deliver sub-GTS performance (?!?). What is the performance/watt here? Something like half that of G80 if there is any truth to that review?

Bah, this is stupid. I've long suspected the worst, but if true this isn't another NV30, it's actually worse than the NV30. How could they have possibly f'd up so badly? NV is going to laugh all the way to the bank with its rip-off pricing.
05-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Timmay

That guy nees a shave :p:
05-09-2007, 02:31 PM
ownage

there are a few dutch guys who are under NDA, and have allways been reliable.
Hacku on tweakers.net forum posted this:, thnx Hacku :toast:

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FarCry 1.4 SM3 HDR [1280x1024]
- 8800 GTX: 123.3 fps
- 2900 XT: 119.3 fps
- 8800 GTS: 106.2 fps
- X1950XT: 85.8 fps

FarCry 1.4 SM3 HDR [1920x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 76.7 fps
- 2900 XT: 70.2 fps
- 8800 GTS: 54 fps
- X1950XT: 50.1 fps

Prey [1280x1024]
- 8800 GTX: 184.3 fps
- 2900 XT: 131.2 fps
- 8800 GTS: 127.3 fps
- X1950XT: 117.6 fps

Prey [1920x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 89.9 fps
- 2900 XT: 70.5 fps
- 8800 GTS: 65.5 fps
- X1950XT: 55 fps

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory SM3 HDR [1280x1024]
- 2900 XT: 142.5 fps
- 8800 GTX: 131.7 fps
- X1950XT: 94.2 fps
- 8800 GTS: 94 fps

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory SM3 HDR [1600x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 85.6 fps
- 2900 XT: 86.5 fps
- 8800 GTS: 68.5 fps
- X1950XT: 64.7 fps

X3: The Reunion [1280x1024]
- 2900 XT: 118.5 fps
- 8800 GTX: 99.2 fps
- X1950XT: 97 fps
- 8800 GTS: 88.1 fps

X3: The Reunion [1920x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 74 fps
- X1950XT: 65.4 fps
- 8800 GTS: 58.8 fps
- 2900 XT: 56.5 fps

Recentere games:

Company of Heroes [1280x1024]
- 8800 GTX: 142.5 fps
- 2900 XT: 121.4 fps

Company of Heroes [1920x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 75.8 fps
- 2900 XT: 69.5 fps

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. [1280x1024]
- 8800 GTX: 107.8 fps
- 2900 XT: 96.2 fps

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. [1920x1200 - 4x AA 8x AF]
- 8800 GTX: 87 fps
- 2900 XT: 46.9 fps
05-09-2007, 02:46 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by ownage

there are a few dutch guys who are under NDA, and have allways been reliable.
Hacku on tweakers.net forum posted this:, thnx Hacku :toast:

Now those I like...but as they are pre-release...they are as credible as the no.s from IT Review.

Perkam
05-09-2007, 02:46 PM
eXceeded

^^ doesn't make any sense, the memory on the 2900XT should make the performance drop much less than what it is... atm this is looking like pure cack!
05-09-2007, 03:45 PM
deathman20

Those scores look more believable. But the high end with the AA doesn't make any sence where it drops really low. Must be a driver issue with AA or something still. As well depends what AA they use as well. And to top it off what clocks where they using on everything, system, GTS, GTX and the XT, oh ya system specs too.

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