RD600 first look and general questions

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12-20-2006, 11:36 AM
Gascogne

Long as I can overclock my E6700 and 4x1Gb on the board I am happy. :)
12-20-2006, 12:17 PM
JoeBar

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Originally Posted by bingo13

Majority for me in this case would be about 96.46% of the users, take away the professional benchmark gurus, and it might be 99.2%. :D

Anyway, we are still tweaking this board for better memory throughput, but the RD600 is for the most part memory bandwidth starved when compared to the 975X. Some games and 3D apps score great, some do not when benchmarking. We are discussing the memory controller with AMD tonight to see if there are any tweaks left in it. I doubt it as I really believe Oskar maxed the board out. The board has one huge feature, flexibility, but I doubt the board will ever be used for setting benchmark records. However, due to the stability, power consumption, CrossFire performance, and flexibility, it should make for a good mainstream board especially if the price comes down a little.

This should be quoted on the 1st page of this thread and any other RD600 thread also... :)

Thanks for the honest words... :clap:
12-20-2006, 01:20 PM
s e t h

i feel the RD600 will be able to clock cpu's with low fsb walls, particularly kentsfields, better than current boards due to the extra voltage options...that alone should make it the default choice.
it will somehow help alleviate searching for high fsb chips which i feel is a great benifit.

/speculation
12-20-2006, 01:41 PM
Speederlander

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Originally Posted by flytek

i feel the RD600 will be able to clock cpu's with low fsb walls, particularly kentsfields, better than current boards due to the extra voltage options...that alone should make it the default choice.
it will somehow help alleviate searching for high fsb chips which i feel is a great benifit.

/speculation

But will it bring peace in our time?
12-20-2006, 01:42 PM
Viss

Id buy it only for the async mem oc. That plus vcore and vdimm (compared to me unmodded P5B) is enough :D
12-20-2006, 04:05 PM
uclajd

Let's hope not, since last time that happened Hitler invaded Poland and almost ruled the earth.

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Originally Posted by Speederlander

But will it bring peace in our time?
12-20-2006, 04:57 PM
Kin Hell

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Originally Posted by Speederlander

But will it bring peace in our time?

Perhaps if you changed your Sig. pic. to a Whale or Kitten, it might be a little more appropiate with your profanity about peace!. Don't try Overclocking either of these options though,....They won't work! ;)
12-20-2006, 05:27 PM
Revv23

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Originally Posted by Lestat

screw manchester

just kidding.

if we have learned anything letting a company delay a product usually produces great results, its when companies like Asus shove products into the market before the cpu's are even out, and before proper testing is even done that we have pretty poor products.
Let DFI do their job, and let them produce, FINALLY, an intel product thats worth the wait, the more you rush and ask for it, the more chance they will get rushed from their own management teams to put the unfinished product out the door.

Its actually cheaper for a company to put out an unfinished product and handle RMA's than it is to spend thousands in R&D daily to produce a quality board.
let them do what they do best.

Yeah, this board was really thought out, thats why they put a clock gen on it that stops at 511 fsb when thats not even close to the limit of the chipset. :nono:

DFI's best board was the ultra-D which was rushed and had a bunch of flaws right upon release. thier worst boards were thier ATi boards which were delayed forever and then failed to deliver.

Asus' best board is it's P5B (IMO) a board that came out fast and they constantly have worked to improve. Similar to how the ultra-d because king.

Now this board has been delayed for months and months, and it still is coming out with bios bugs, it still isnt the king conroe board. Not only that everyone already has halfway decent conroe boards giving them no reason to switch to this, meaning support for it will probably be half ass.

The fact is you can delay a board as much as you want, but in the end an immature board is still an immature board. Each motherboard has to be out in the market for a while before the bugs can get worked out.

There were two ways for this board to live up to the hype, first, it could hav beaten 975x clock for clock. OR, it could have blown the FSB out of the water, making 600 possible with the right cpu's. It has done niether. So IMO like bingo said its an ok board but it's not the super board we all have been wanting for so long.

Perhaps DFI will make a 1333 bios for the infinity, then they would have the king of all boards.

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Recently, I went from 2x74GB raptor RAID back to single maxline drive and I can hardly see any difference in day to day tasks including gaming and game level loading :)
Of course, maxtors in general are not very reliable but they are fast and I have only sys, 1 game and some crap there :)

Sure in benchmarks RAID is better

I did the same, well i went from 2x74gb raptors to 1x160gb seagate and i cant tell one difference in speed, only i use less power, my computer is quieter, and i have 1 hard drives instead of 2. Windows might take another .5sec to load.
12-20-2006, 05:50 PM
erwinz

sadly.. its the nature of man.. :) to really want more.. :) for me.. this board is enough.. :) Iam not that extreme.. 511fsb is more than enough for me.. hehehe 9x511 :D (just wishing)

still hope to see this board in the market fast.. :) I will have this.. and then its enough for me.. :)

:woot:
12-20-2006, 05:52 PM
situman

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Originally Posted by Revv23

I did the same, well i went from 2x74gb raptors to 1x160gb seagate and i cant tell one difference in speed, only i use less power, my computer is quieter, and i have 1 hard drives instead of 2. Windows might take another .5sec to load.

If only people realize that about cpu and mobo upgrades.
12-20-2006, 07:10 PM
TV Addict#2

I wanna see that physics slot be put to good use
12-20-2006, 07:39 PM
Revv23

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Originally Posted by situman

If only people realize that about cpu and mobo upgrades.

i sort of disagree, i have never had a pc that "felt" as fast as my conroe, and i dont think i would go back to anything else ATM. PAying to go from my fast 3ghz amd to my faster 3.6ghz intel was worth it, and getting a good mobo to go along with it sure would be nice.

How fast is fast enough is up to you, but while i dont really notice a difference in HDD speeds, i DO notice a difference in CPU speeds.
12-20-2006, 08:26 PM
OldGuy

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Originally Posted by Revv23

i sort of disagree, i have never had a pc that "felt" as fast as my conroe, and i dont think i would go back to anything else ATM. PAying to go from my fast 3ghz amd to my faster 3.6ghz intel was worth it, and getting a good mobo to go along with it sure would be nice.

How fast is fast enough is up to you, but while i dont really notice a difference in HDD speeds, i DO notice a difference in CPU speeds.

Same here...the jump from a 3ghz AMD to the Conroe is definitely a jump you can actually "feel" and see...not night and day but you know the money you just spent has tangible results.
12-20-2006, 09:21 PM
EnJoY

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Originally Posted by OldGuy

Same here...the jump form a 3ghz AMD to the Conroe is definitely a jump you can actually "feel" and see...not night and day but you know the money you just spent has tangible results.

Especially seeing as most of us with 3GHz A64's were on single cores, as finding a dual core capable of 3GHz back in the 3800+ and 165 days was a never ending hunt.

Fastest single core A64 I ever had did 3.2ghz on water. Fastest dual core A64 I ever had did 2.8...and I've owned around 50 A64's, always trying to be selective with each.

Now I've had three four Core 2's, E6700 did 3.45, E6600 did 3.65, E6400 does 3.75, and the new E6400 I'm expecting should push 4GHz. All orthos stable of course. So I again am happy with my move to Core2. :cool:
12-20-2006, 09:21 PM
pumbertot

vdroop of .006v sounds too good to be true! :D
12-20-2006, 09:44 PM
Revv23

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

Especially seeing as most of us with 3GHz A64's were on single cores, as finding a dual core capable of 3GHz back in the 3800+ and 165 days was a never ending hunt.

Fastest single core A64 I ever had did 3.2ghz on water. Fastest dual core A64 I ever had did 2.8...and I've owned around 50 A64's, always trying to be selective with each.

Now I've had three four Core 2's, E6700 did 3.45, E6600 did 3.65, E6400 does 3.75, and the new E6400 I'm expecting should push 4GHz. All orthos stable of course. So I again am happy with my move to Core2. :cool:

Those E6400's are somethin else huh? I've got a really sweet e6400 and i want a 6600 so i can get a higher multi and go 975, but i am afraid that i wont be able to hit my 6400 speeds. :(
12-20-2006, 09:46 PM
OldGuy

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Originally Posted by pumbertot

vdroop of .006v sounds too good to be true! :D

Hmmmmm...well it's not an Asus so I suppose it's more than possibly true :D
12-20-2006, 10:14 PM
EnJoY

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Originally Posted by Revv23

Those E6400's are somethin else huh? I've got a really sweet e6400 and i want a 6600 so i can get a higher multi and go 975, but i am afraid that i wont be able to hit my 6400 speeds. :(

I'm in the same boat. I want to go BadAxe2 very badly, but I need a really good E6600 or E6700 to make proper use of it.
12-20-2006, 10:47 PM
Budwise

i personally think that RD600 is a little too late to the party as others have said. My AW9D-Max does 400X9 all day long and that is really all i need. If RD600 is slower than 975X clock for clock then there is no reason to go to the trouble of switching. Wasnt DFI planning to make a 975X Lanparty board?
12-20-2006, 11:11 PM
OldGuy

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Originally Posted by Budwise

i personally think that RD600 is a little too late to the party as others have said. My AW9D-Max does 400X9 all day long and that is really all i need. If RD600 is slower than 975X clock for clock then there is no reason to go to the trouble of switching. Wasnt DFI planning to make a 975X Lanparty board?

It's either late to the party or Johnny on the spot and tagged as "beta"...give em' credit for even following through after everyone else bailed out. Just another flavor to savor IMO. I really don't care for the other non DFI boards I've tried with Conroe and look forward to taking this puppy for a spin.
12-20-2006, 11:14 PM
The Nemesis

The RD600 won't set too many Pi world records being slower than the 975X. What I'm thinking however, is it has a stable 511FSB clock with async memory capabilities. Later next year when 6700's come down in price, 511FSB will do me just fine with a good clocking E6700. The opteron 146, 148, 165, & 170's didn't start hitting 3ghz right away. It was a few months before that happened. I'm hoping the Core 2 Duo's will follow the same trend. After all they've only been retail just over four months.
12-21-2006, 12:03 AM
Poodle

Yeah the board is not half as hot as I hoped. The async. mem div and Digital Pwm still make me want it though. It still has some potential to be the Ultra-D of C2D. However the Inifinty is a bit tempting for a much less. Or the Bad Axe 2, which also is cheap. I don't really want CF. Atleast if two R600 in CF will be bottlenecked (I'm not saying that they will be).
12-21-2006, 01:34 AM
erwinz

I want the board for its uniqueness.. :D unlike all of you.. this will be my last board.. :) I will be having another priorities up my sleave.. and overclocking will just have to hold.. :( ..511fsb is good for me.. and I think I like what I'm seeing at DFI.. in the DFI 975x Infinity.. we have a thread that really request DFI for a golden bios.. :D as we see now.. we just have to wait to let them produce the output that we need.. :)

ahhh.. I hope DFI RD600 will become available in retail.. my setup is itching.. :)

:woot: sir Tony please keep us posted.. :) I hope AMD didnt propose the 511 fsb limit.. :D
12-21-2006, 01:46 AM
Poodle

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Originally Posted by erwinz

I want the board for its uniqueness.. :D unlike all of you.. this will be my last board.. :) I will be having another priorities up my sleave..

I hear ya. I've got to get out of this upgrade madness soon and get back to school and get a real job (the job I've got now blows more than you can imagine). I might buy a laptop in a year though and a R700 or some other nice gfx and extra 2 sticks of ram. But that's it. I hope... :)

I want the Ak47 of a board, that I can have fun with tweaking and that will take a hard overclock beating 24/7 without any "bad noise" for at least 2-3 years ahead. This might be that board.
12-21-2006, 04:46 AM
Kin Hell

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Originally Posted by Poodle

I want the Ak47 of a board, that I can have fun with tweaking and that will take a hard overclock beating 24/7 without any "bad noise" for at least 2-3 years ahead. This might be that board.

I hear what you're saying but perhaps Utopia we shall never ever see just because the latest hardware you buy today is out of date 2 months down the road. One of my concerns will be aquiring this board & then finding out ATI's Next Gen Dx10 R600 cards require Dual 16X slots for CF. Now that would take the buscuit but I'm already half expectin' it! Pessermism gets worse with age! Stay young! :D

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