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The money Intel spent on the Itanic well prove to be their best investment ever. I doubt the cpu will every make a dime for Intel. But somewhere down the line we shall see it pay off. Maybe C2D 4 issue was just the beginning. Maybe Nehalem is 5 issue or even 6 issue. Itanic is what 8 or 6 issue processor.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I believe that with my whole heart and soul. AMD is not going anywhere soon.
well, theres nothing wrong with 4x4 as a gaming setup, it could run sli just fine, although ofcourse theres little reason to get 4x4 for that, but people also like dual socket setups, so 4x4 will sell, theres little doubt about it. also, i was one of the ones who didnt really believe in the conroe hype, and i thought it wasnt going to be available for a while, just judging by intel's previous track record, so conroe doubters werent just amd fanboys. star doesnt seem that great though, cerebus sounds a lot more interesting. one thing about star though, is that 4x4 using star processors will be pretty awesome.
1) http://www.chip-architect.com/news/O...teger_Core.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
ALUs are cheap transistor wise and if AMD/Intel wanted they could put 50 of them. The reason they DON'T do that is because the problem with x86 has never been insufficient processing power, rather the inability to keep those processing components FEED.
2) Itanium has a few nice design features, however it has a serious problem when it comes to advancing the architecture because Explicitly parallel programming functions on the theory that there are a set number of execution slots. Meaning if Itanium when from 3 to 4 slots, you would have to recompile EVERYTHING to make use of it and if you don't that slot is filled with a NOP which wastes energy. And nothing from Itanium is any Use for ANYONE in x86 MINUS the branch prediction and MicroCode engine.
3) in Theory Conroe can Issue up to 5 uOpts at a time and AMD can only do 3. yet strangely having nearly double doesn't even equate to 50% performance advantage.
4) to Each their Own.
I like dual socket M/B also they have there uses. What is cerebus. I know it only from a comic book aartvark character. Good point NN but you are forgetting about the russian company Intel bought. Nehalem will show you why they bought it.
cerebus is fusion's first architectural code name. theres not much info on it, except that it might exist, it will have a gpu onboard, and it has some sort of architectural improvements over k8l, nothing really specified though.
I like the fusion idea. But to be honest Raytracing has gotten my attion above all other graphics design. I am very sure this is were Intel is heading. But I must say ATI gpu on a future amd processor sounds very very interesting. I do think AMD should drop the roadmap name away from cerebus tho. I mean they don't like K9 which I do. Doctor WHO. Very cool DOG with lots of smarts. Cerebus will no doubt become the aartvark of CPU'S. Maybe AMD sees Intel as an ant. LOL .
One thing about Cerebus that puzzles me is. Many say ATI gpu on die with cpu be very hot and just for the middle and low end.
I see it as much much more. I see it as a very powerful gpu on a die with amd cpu's. Maybe on a 4 core processor for gaming . 2 gpu cores running with 2 cpu cores.
I see this as a high end product not a middle lowend product.
this is a lowend solution, there is no possible way that the memory subsystem would hold up for a high performance graphics chip let alone 2, unless amd decides on itanium-sized cache. the onboard gpu will work wonders for physics processing if amd wants to go in that direction though.
http://news.com.com/AMD+lures+high-r...3-6055595.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
A high ranking designer means manager, not the guy in the trenches, nn is misleading somewhat as it was only one person which was high profile enough to generate a headline.
Yonah was not designed by the same group, as far as has been reported no designers (at least high ranking ones) have left IDC to join AMD. So taht is a little bit of FUD on his part.
Guys, back on topic before I lock and delete this. It's going around in circles. Thanks.
Please don't delete this thread! It's very entertaining!
Any K8L ES previews yet? I can't wait to see how incredibly they perform with 40-50% higher IPC, 50% faster clock speeds and the 25% performance boost from RHTT!
I'm really looking forward to building a "best bang-for-buck" AMD K8L system with one of those $60 full-featured mobos and bargain-bin DDR667 ram that will let me overclock a $200 K8L to it's full C2 raping potential. OTOH, since the CPU isn't really important when AMD is far behind in performance, performance per watt and bang for buck, maybe I should buy new ram instead? $400 worth of new ram could get me 3% better performance than I have now with my $130 ram...
TIA
now I can't tell if you are retarded or trying to be sarcasticQuote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
Hes being sarcastic + wildly over-exaggerating some of the things said in this thread, I guess he is trying to get the thread locked and/or start a flame war?
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