It's not. For the same price I got vastly improved relative wattage performance, and that's what I wanted. I didn't even want to upgrade - my croacking 4850 finally forced my hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
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It's not. For the same price I got vastly improved relative wattage performance, and that's what I wanted. I didn't even want to upgrade - my croacking 4850 finally forced my hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
K10 and K20 are completey different... we can speak about whole computing as a market, but yet the capability they aim and the public aimed are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
The K10 is an computing server card who is made of 2x GK104.. it achieve something peak like 4.58Tflops SP, but only 200Glfops DP ... If your need is for DP, forget this card, a single 7970 have allready 5x the capability in DP of the dual GK104 ... Just for give an idea 2x 7970 draw 7.58Tflops SP and 1.98 Tflops DP .. so 10x more DP rate of the dual GK104 K10 .. ( its for an idea, cant compare both ofc ).
The K20 will get surely a little bit faster SP of a single GK104 but a DP rate of 1Tflops minimum (vs 0.1 Tflops )... The card is aimed at server AND workstation use.
Basically K10 and K20 are not aimed at the same public. As it will serve different needs. speaking about market is a bit vague imo. K10 is aimed at CUDA acceleration mostly (and with his miserable DP rate, i m tempted to say only CUDA ) when the K20 will be capable of all.
anandtech has rops incorrectly there ^ it should be..Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
ROPs <=60
the actual 3072 cores performance on gtx690 is equivalent to the 2880 cores on gk110 and who knows maybe a geforce gk110 will end up with 3840 cores
it doesnt matter what k10 vs k20 is intended for from a geforce point of viewQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
they can certainly build a 7.1billion 3072core 64rop 384/512bit gpu
they can certainly build a 7.1billion 3840core 60rop 384bit gpu
but only for gaming ? gk110 whitepaper is exactly the fermi compute whitepaper: compute blah blah blah
just how many kepler gpus do you guys think nvidia has in the pipeline.. for every low/high end markets ?
gk110 is it this is the motherload.. what will remain to be seen is how theyre going to go about those 960 dp units in a geforce ;)
since they are very hush hush about the actual number of cores
Oooh sorry, i was think you was speak specially about K10 and K20 (both cards are clearly aimed at different computing needs, just cause their spec and perf are aimed at another needs, SP in one case, and SP+DP in the second ) .... Geforce GK110 ( gaming card ) is another story... I just speak about K10-K20 ..Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
You guys are confusing me. K20 is GK110
You are correct. I'm not even going to try to wade through this thread and make sense of what people said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
K10 is dual GK-104 and K20 is GK-110. Period.
and no one said otherwise period.
k10 is dual gk104 just as gtx690 is dual gk104
"gtx780" is gk110 just as k20 is gk110
period.
:)
Now, I'm interested in what the GTX 880 will be like. There really doesn't seem to be a huge jump coming anytime soon.
depends if the roadmap with maxwell on it pans out..
http://h13.abload.de/img/nvidia_cuda_gpu_roadmaoelo.jpg
Remember this?
if the trend continues.. gm104 is going to be 10x the gtx680 per that roadmap ^ and gm110 so forthQuote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
indeed two years away (2014 q1)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Looks to me like GTX680 performance is pretty similar to GTX480 SLi performance:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1511766&mpage=1
Yes it is, I have ran both setups, My thoughts were that the 680 felt smoother on some games that I play but the 480's I have are smooth enough. FPS in min. were very simular best I could tell. My brother is running on the 680 now and I continue to use my 480's untill the next gen. The 680 is a fantastic card but I think 780 or whatever is going to be the point when it makes sence to dump my 480's. All depends on what your after and what your needs are I suppose.
Why spend that much if you don't care much about performance? If a 4850 is good enough why not just pick up a 5770 or 6850?Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Honestly, you're just an AMD fanboy that likes to complain about the competition at any possible opportunity.
You could have gotten video cards that would have wiped the floor with that 4850 while drawing less power years ago for half the price of what you paid for that 7870. Performance clearly isn't even that important to you.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by ClockZ
Till I get a game that I can't play on high settings with my current setup then I won't bother upgrading.
-PB
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by ClockZ
Till I get a game that I can't play on high settings with my current setup then I won't bother upgrading.
-PB
Chill. I was already wanting to upgrade since Civ 5 and even source games don't take well to 4xAA and 16xAF. With the 4850 I can't play on high settings in modern games, and the 512 vram prevents high detail settings. I just didn't need to. It's a question of wants, money, and timing. If I bought a x770 or a 6850 I would be paying money for a replacement, and why would I want that?Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Your attempts to armchair psychology me are not very good.
Why are you attacking him so much? His opinion may not be 100% valid, but then you're paying him out for buying a HD7870?Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
It is clearly a better card than the 570 for the same money.. that's all he said. Your aggressiveness makes you look like more of a fanboy than him.
Considering the GTX 670 is only $50usd more expensive than the 7870, I'm not sure how anyone can honestly believe such nonsense. The GTX 670's price is only 15% higher than AMD's offering but while playing modern games like Battlefield 3, the 670 completely wipes the floor with the AMD card by 35-50%. And in Skyrim, the 670 is again a clear winner by 15-25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Btw... i'm assuming you meant to type 670 instead of 570 in your post because I highly doubt many consumers are having to decide between the latest gen and the previous gen. The performance difference between the 570 and 670 is massive, and those 570's are still far too expensive.
no I (they) are talking about the 570...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
670 is a completely different story (and great value)
Its the over the top fanboy posts and not just in this thread that just rub me the wrong way. Check his post history and you'll see what I mean. Why would a person who finds a 4850 to be "good enough" come and troll the video card discussions at a place called xtreme systems? Is this the AMD version of Rollo?Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Thats another very good point, actually. Do you think the thought of picking up a GTX670 even entered into his mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
I don't think that 7870 is a bad card at all. I actually considered picking up a couple for crossfire but it doesn't offer much as far as price vs performance goes. Look at the lack of excitement on the forums when that card was released. They just sort of slipped it in at the same price as other cards with similar performance. All that it really has going for it is the performance per watt which goes back to my point originally on that being just one part of the equation and for most people a small one.
Hey, if you're going to make insinuations about me, do it to my face. Don't be passive aggressive.
Because I like the news section. I don't really bother with anything else. You might say it's mostly a matter of finding other uses with my money, like buying food and paying for rent. The amount of money I take home at the end of the month, on a grad student's pittance, isn't much. In fact, I would not have purchased one without my tax return.Quote:
Why would a person who finds a 4850 to be "good enough" come and troll the video card discussions at a place called xtreme systems? Is this the AMD version of Rollo?
$50 is about a weeks worth of groceries. Also, all GTX670 models have garbage stock coolers, and higher idle wattage, while I purchased a Sapphire 7870 with a much better and quieter cooler for the same as MSRP.Quote:
Do you think the thought of picking up a GTX670 even entered into his mind?
LOL what are you talking about? I just got a pair of Gigabyte 670's for $400 a piece, and you won't find a nicer cooler. Wanna compare PCMark11 scores? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125423
Why not buy a midrange card like a GTX560 or 6870, it would have been a massive upgrade, similar performance per watt, and an all around better bang for your buck?Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
As mentioned above, buy a more common AIB model at the same price.Quote:
Also, all GTX670 models have garbage stock coolers, and higher idle wattage, while I purchased a Sapphire 7870 with a much better and quieter cooler for the same as MSRP.
Do you really not see the difference between someone saying "the card has similar performance to a card you could have bought a year and a half ago at a similar price but at least it draws a little less electricity" and "its faster than the competitions offering, cheaper, and draws less electricity while to boot"? Really?
HEY! I have a watercooled 990X with 680Sli and 57X10 3D VisionSurround on my main box. I may not be icing down my cpu for 3D Mark competition, but I'm a hell of a lot more "xtreme" than a guy sporting a 4850.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Yeah, it was a bad analogy.
Because when the 6870 was on sale I did not have money? Also, pretty false on perf/watt.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...qid=1337570929
None in stock. At least, none price gouged.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tx+670&x=0&y=0
lol
I have no idea what you're saying and where you're going with this. Why would I purchase a card that offers equivalent performance for my old 4850? I'm paying money to get the same card back?Quote:
Do you really not see the difference between someone saying "the card has similar performance to a card you could have bought a year and a half ago at a similar price but at least it draws a little less electricity" and "its faster than the competitions offering, cheaper, and draws less electricity while to boot"? Really?
Sure would be nice to be able to read about 680/780 and less about dumb bickering back and forth.
Three models in-stock, MSI one shows over 100+ in stock, and appeared several hours ago. GTX 670 has been in-stock at a few places most of the time, except for some few-hour spans and yesterday (which was a Sunday) since its launch. Lots of them to go around and they've been selling like hotcakes judging by how many have been coming in and going out.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
When I ordered (last sunday? monday?) none in stock. Since my computer doesn't work without a GPU, well, there was that. Again, I also got a sapphire heatsink compared to the stock gtx670.
I sense there is little point in continuing this discussion, because while $50 is a paltry sum to some who dump $500 on a GTX680 at launch, it is not to me. I respect your monetary priorities, and I ask you respect mine.
Note that by investing in a 7870 I invest in technology that is only beginning it's lifespan vs. EOL HD6xxx series. I was tempted to pick up the 219.99 6950 earlier, but to me improved power characteristics are important. I think I made an argument against slippery slope logic that says "10 watts! no biggie!" which naturally could extrapolate back to me buying thermi. I dropped 20 watts idle, and with the monitor off that's another 30. Worth it.
The Gigabyte GTX 670 OC has been priced at MSRP ($399.99) the whole time and provides an excellent third-party heatsink as well. While the gap between a 670 and a 680 isn't big at all (virtually non-existent), the gap from a 7870 vs. a 670 is notable and justifies the price difference handily for most. Still, it's your cash, and your priorities... if you're happy with what you got then that's good :D!
Like I said, 50 bux buys me a lot of delicious food. To each his own :)
I agree that if I was feeling more adventurous I would have bought into one though.
Any word on a GTX 660?
here http://videocardz.com/33010/geforce-...en-299-and-329Quote:
Originally Posted by Darakian
With any luck that drops in June. I want some more downward pressure on prices.
I need to move wherever you're living cause here $50 buys maybe one or two meals.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
gotta start collecting coupons, like those people who get like $1k worth of food for next to nothing:DQuote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
I'd gladly swap with ya. Inexpensive food isn't everything, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
50 almost buys me a weeks worth of groceries.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
The ramen noodle diet, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Seriously though, if you only have to feed yourself, you can do so on $50. Hit those 10 for $10 deals the midwest supermarkets like schnucks and dierbergs are famous for and you can get a LOT for $50.
Let's prepare for more food restrictions 'cause a powerful HD 7870 needs a way better CPU in order to work as it could.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
LOL. 50 dollars usually means mostly craft dinner and Ramen but it sounds like Cegras does a monthly trip to no frills. We pay a lot more for our produce and generally more for our meat compare to the USA, unless you want to go to the asian supermarkets with low grade meat. But no frills offers really good deals usually once a month with decently(not yummy or delicious by any means), a grade above what you get at a dollar store food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/no-fr...-31-a-1180407/
Here are some of the deals.
But I agree with Oblivion here. The e7200 is way underpowered now and need to upgrade that motherboard and processor asap.
Nope .. I have fresh meat, fish, fruit, and bread for the week. I get my veggies at a chinese grocer. I do my trips weekly and visit both whole foods and jewel-osco. The meat isn't USDA prime, sure, but the fish is fresh and the beef is alright. I get pork related stuff from the chinese grocer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
So since the GTX 660 looks like it will feature the GK106 chipset, does anyone know if/when Nvidia will be coming out with a more cut down version of the GK104 chip (i.e. GTX 665 or 660Ti..)??
I don't believe the DP improvement will be proportional to SP (which is what you should look at to guesstimate graphics calculation), more that DP and SP capabilities will get much closer to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
GTX 660Ti to put between HD7870 and HD7950 seems logical. Maybe the "famous" 299$ card ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OCX600RR
From what I've read, the GTX 660 GK106 will debut at $299/329 so if they do end up coming out with a Ti it will probably be closer to $350 I would think. I don't feel like waiting much longer for Nvidia to release these cards so it's either going to be a 7850 or wait...
*facepalm*Quote:
Originally Posted by TRANCEFORMER
Yeah, if only. I'll buy four 6GB versions for my Nvidia Surround setup.
No more news in "Big Kepler" then?
:(
going by the stupidarse tradition 3gb first and 6gb later from nvidia aibsQuote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
no until they drop it like a nuke from 30k feet :DQuote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Some 660 news...might just be speculation but better than nothin I suppose -
http://wccftech.com/details-surface-...graphics-card/
Quote:
the card is SHORTER than the current GTX 670 in terms of PCB length. The card will have a TDP of 100W (that aligns up with the rumors of the card having one 6 Pin PCI-E connector) and the memory bandwidth to have a total output of 192 GB/s.
The length will be around roughly 4 inches
Well, at least the pci-e connector makes things sli friendly.
Been wondering the same thing... But that wouldn't be till late fall, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
I don't expect it to land this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
Yeah, I'm starting to think that too. That's why I am leaning towards replacing my two 5970's with three 670GTX'sQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
http://techreport.com/articles.x/22989/3Quote:
The Nvidia executives we talked with raised the possibility of a GK110-based GeForce being released this year only if necessary to counter some move by rival AMD. That almost certainly means that any GK110-based GeForce to hit the market in 2012 would come in extremely limited quantities.
I'd be really surprised if Nvidia add anything else to their current line up above the 680 this year unless AMD preasures them to do so.
EDIT: LOL Irony
I suggest you the FTW edition. Mine works like a charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
At the moment I think that the MSI power edition is the way to go. It is the only GTX 670 on the market with software voltage control.
"The Nvidia executives we talked with raised the possibility of a GK110-based GeForce being released this year only if necessary to counter some move by rival AMD. That almost certainly means that any GK110-based GeForce to hit the market in 2012 would come in extremely limited quantities."
Well let's hope 7990 is a raging success and Nvidia has to counter it, but the limited run means it's going to be very expensive .....
:(
if remember correctly 28nm gpus (gk110) wont be more viable til early 2013 when production is suppose to stabilize.
exactly hence the 2 different designs/gpus.. same will go for maxwell
Judging by the fact that the 7970 ghz is just a 7970 with a 1 ghz clock and 50 mhz boost (achieved via higher voltage, so they don't appear to OC any better) and merely manages to roughly tie the 680 (and that's a reference 680, not factoring that practically all AIB's offer pre-overclocked 680's) while consuming 30-40w more and making a LOT more noise in the process, I doubt the 7990 is going to do anywhere close to enough to force NVidia's hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
no ones going to force anyones hand..
7970 vs 680
7990 vs 690
8000 vs 800 (gk110) :D
Awesome, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
I'm a big fan of EVGA, they have always had the best customer service of any brand I have used for any components.
So, I'll be picking up three of those 670 FTW's and to replace my two 5970's, and I'll be getting a new x79 board, too :-D
You go girl...;)
This is just for showing you the thermals(I have an hot case though), reference 680 pcb+cooling works good and it's damn quiet. That's why I sold the 7970, too noisy. Not to forget that adaptive v-sync is lovely, enjoy your purchase!Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
http://s15.postimage.org/i6fn31tx3/b..._34_59_118.jpg
I want to see pics of your setup when it's ready :)
I totally agree - 680 GTX REF is folding in my allday system without almost any noticable noise...7970 REF is total crap in terms of "sound"...couldn't even hear the card benching for more than 10 minutes...just insane!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
DCUII 7970 was much better but still can't get "a feeling" for AMD cards...driver suck, tools suck, past 1200 sucks, sucking sucks...
Does anyone believe there might be a paperlaunch of GK110 in December 2012? With no or extremely limited availability of course.
already paperlaunched.. mid may
http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/ke...Whitepaper.pdf
hardlaunch: one day you wake up and boom it has landed :)
A whitepaper about the architecture for partners/developers is a far cry from a paper launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
It's only a paper launch when they send cards to reviewers.
I don't even think they have taped out yet.
GK110 is slated to show up as a tesla unit in october. I seem to recall reading that GK110 taped out back in january though, and a quick google search backs up that thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
As such, bringing it out as a non-paper launch wouldn't be too hard this year.
According to my info they have, in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
January is not correct, there was a confusion about tape out vs. finishing the design. The design was finished in December/January, tapeout was in March.
Ah, my mistake then.
It happens. There's been so much going on this year alone hardware wise it's almost unfeasible to expect anyone - no matter HOW big of an enthusiast they are - to be able to keep up with 100% accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Accuracy? You WANT accuracy!? The type of accuracy that a 6GB GTX 780 will deliver!
Any 660 performance numbers yet? Just wonder if I should replace my 560 (None TI) with it to get more silent operation
Don't expect more than a 30% boost.
Regarding GTX 660:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...s-the-GTX-660-!
Hi Guys.
List Nvidia Kepler Medium And Value VGA .
http://img.hotoverclock.com/images/3...9040066009.jpg
GK106 has (at least) 1152 CCs? I find that a bit hard to believe.
allready a typo on the 680 ... well i can imagine they think use low clocked 670cores ( even with 64bit on MC disabled and less memory ), but damn, im not sure they will have enough chips..
And GK106 with 1152SP look a bit too high (6x 192SP ? )
ComputerBase talks about a GTX 660 Ti with 1344CC but 192-bit bus and a GTX660 1152CC with 192-bit too.
http://translate.google.fr/translate...im-anmarsch%2F
They all base their article on VideoCardz numbers .. ( same for Guru article yesterday ) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
It is possible... if they was plan to use a GK104 (680 core) with 2 SMX disabled, finally to use a 670core and underclock it.... specially if underclocked + 2SMX disabled was not match or overpass the performance of the competition. It cost them the same . the only thing they will add is disable 64bits on the memory controller.
Its more the gk106 who look a bit strange with 6SMX of 192SP ( if there's 192SP, but for this i base myself on the 960SP of the 650 ... 192SP match but not more )
Why surprising? The difference of performance with 1x SMX disabled in games is really poor, clock a 670 at 680 clock speed ( as many overclocking model are and even further ), and you end with a 670 equal or better in performance of the 680 ... look the Asus DirectCUII 670.. it beat the 680 in absolutely all games by a far margin. In this case why make a GK104 660TI with one more SMX ( cost wise ) . At same clock the card should not deliver a lot of performance in more. A GK106 at 670 clock speed will be 3-4 % slower of the initial GTX670 .. but this remove too the interest of the 660TI with 1344SP cores.
All 192SP / SMX:
GK104 - 680 = 8SMX
GK104 - 670 = 7SMX ( one disabled )
GK104 - 660TI = 7SMX ( one disabled )
GK106 - 660 = 6SMX
GK106 - 650 = 5SMX ( one disabled )
GK107 - 640 = 2SMX
At the moment we have the confirmation of the GTX660 GK106, number of SMX and SP we will be sure of the 660TI SP numbers .
We have no confirmation at all. GTX 660 could be GK104 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
You want Nvidia to need to deal with 4 SKU on the GK104 ? still can be possible and will be logic in term of SMX . ( 2 SMX disabled on the 660 " standard ) and GK106 with a 4SMX design ( who is a bit more logic ). Not sure TSMC can supply enough GK104 based waffer anyway. (midrange card sell like hotcakes.. in the price range most gamers will push their money .. the ratio of 560 sold vs the 580 is surely 15-20x superior .. i play captain obvious there)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
i don't think it would make any sense to see the 660 TI on GK104 and the 660 on a different core (GK106) I would expect to see it more along the lines of both cards on Gk106 and the standard 660 just being cut down. just like with the 560ti and the 560.
I saw the rumors the other day on the 650 and 660's.
I'm totally dissapointed about it.
I was expecting a 660ti, 768 shaders, and 256bit interface with 2-4gigs of ram.
Instead we get way more shaders, and less mem bandwith and such.
The reason I was expecting that exact config is because I would of liked it that way, half the wattage of the 680, but with more performance then a 580.
This sucks @ss...
I'm undecided if I should buy the 680 or wait it out another gen or 2.
I wanted a 100w card that kicks butt, but nooope... :(
Ohwell :\, ... I hope the rumors aren't accurate...
When i read this type of compilation of rumors, i cant help me and think there's different rumor, sku and spec mixed.. but well if the date of release are true, we will not get so much time to wait for know what it is .Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Nvidia need anyway something really great for counter AMD on midrange, as they have nothing yet and we are allready in July. Marketing and performance wise they need something quickly in the mid range. The 7870-7850 are on the market since March.. this make allready 4 month they are out and they was plenty of models on the release... the price was considered a bit high on release but now they are sold at 270$ with rebate (MSI TWFII 1050mhz) . Whatever will release Nvidia, AMD will drop the price a bit, and i will not be surprised to see 7870 OC models at 269,99$ without rebate soon.
Considering the initial 680 was suppose to be the 670ti and the 670 was suppose to be the standard 670 I think it makes sense. It's not much different than the 560ti 448 compared to the 560ti when you think about it. Sounds to me like NVidia would like to dump off as many GK104's as they can, and figure this would be the perfect way to do so. The real question is, will we end up seeing a situation similar to the 465, where some 660's are full fledged 670's that are bios locked to meet demand...Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
What you forget, is the 560TI 448 cores have been released 6-7 months later of the 560TI standard version for clean the pipes of the 570-580 who was unused ..... this card have been aimed at low quantity late on the 500 lineup ... not as a base midrange in the lineup as the 660TI is aimed at. ...Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
If the 660TI is released with a 670-680 "GK04cores" and taking in account this midrange cards sell 10-15-20x more at this price point of the highrange cards and watching how nvidia is just suppliying enough cards yet for the 670-680.. peoples who want this card have some real worry to have for find them... better to allready suscribe on some retailer site for be the first to purchase them ... i really doubt TSMC will be able to produce so much waffer .
Do you forgot Kepler Mobile Quadro series ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
All K3000M (576CC), K4000M (960CC) and 5000M (1344CC) are GK104-based.
All QUadro series have been made like that for ages ... but professional cards are completely different in term of marketing of gamers product. They adapt the price with one thousand of dollars under by disqualify 3-4SM ... not 100$ ...
Nvidia is just able right now to supply enough 670 and 680 cards to their retail partners... and .. if they add too much sku on the GK104.. TSMC will be in the impossibility to supply more GK104 ....... ofc they can release it like that and in the review this will work, and peoples who will buy a 660 will fall in the trap thinking they buy a 660TI based on review ... but TSMC right now, cant multiply by 2x the capacity of the GK104 lines . dont even think to 4x times with a second SKU..
Its physically impossible TSMC is able to supply enough waffer of the GK104 for make a 660 and a 660TI with the 670 -680 cores... Or nvidia stop produce the 670-680 and push all the cores in the 660 lines and even with that, im not even sure with the performance/ price ratio, we can imagine they will be able to follow ...
- a 660TI GK104 with the same amount of SP of the 670 ,, will totally kill the 670 sell as this is the same core, performance can be the same .
- a 660 with 2 SMX disabled and 192SP less of the 670 ,,, is able to reach performance level of the 670 without problem ...
when we know a 670 with a turboboost of 20mhz higher of the 680 is able to kill the 680 in 100% of the game .... i let you imagine the problem ....
Nvidia will Kill his series of gamers cards, just by releasing that... allready today if you make a comparaison with the 600 series released......... some 670 are faster of the 680.. and you can buy them on a retail shop for 50$ less of the 680. If Nvidia want to play the performance crown at all price, i fear it..
Regarding times you got to lost, you don't seem to work at TSMC and you don't know TSMC 28nm ramping capacity with accuracy. Stop take dreams for reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Nvidia has simply reached the point that supply and demand for 670/680 have found equilibrium, production capacity has met and surpassed demand.
I would wager that TSMC has been able to consistently increase capacity/volume since the introduction of the 28nm node as new equipment is brought online and the process matures, that is how they make their money afterall and how they pay for the new process ramp. The more volume the sell on a particular process node the faster they recoup their investments in the technology.
As TSMC 28nm capacity increases more products will be shifted to the 28nm node, I'm sure Nvidia and TSMC have coordinated and know what can be supplied and what projected demand should be ahead of release.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I was think my response was really reasonable and simple .. maybe not so much ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
je vais te le faire en francais alors .. je pensais que ma réponse était simple et prenait en question tout les problème que peux rencontrer TSMC sur leur suffisance de lignes de productions pour le GK104 .. mais il semblerait que tu penses qu' il est en est tout autre .. Sérieusement je serais heureux que tu nous expliques comment tu penses que TSMC fonctionne. Franchement TSMC a juste réussi ces dernières semaine a trouver un équilibre pour produire les 670 and 680.. et maintenant tu voudrais qu' ils soient capable de produire 10x plus de GK104 pour les 660 ? bonne chance
Sérieusement on sait que Nvidia se plaint publiquement du pix du waffer et ils vont peux-être les uiliser sur 3 SKU ( les 660-670-680 )... avec un prix par carte de 300 à 500$ ..... c' est foutre de l' argent au chiottes .. si Nvidia pour des raisons de marketing et performances sort ces 660 en GK104, la prochaine fois qu' ils se plaignent du prix du waffer je serais le 1 er a leur rappeler a quel point ils se foutent de notre gueule.
I know nothing. I don't know contracts and multiple obligations. So I shut my mouth and I'm waiting products to come.
So i will do like you ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Tu sais je te respecte beaucoup, aucun souci ....