OH I just think that trinity was only a try.. to prepare the card for 3-way with different GPU'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
prepare yourself for Asus HD4850X3 Trinity ;)
2 times faster than 280 with almost same price (or little less)
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OH I just think that trinity was only a try.. to prepare the card for 3-way with different GPU'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
prepare yourself for Asus HD4850X3 Trinity ;)
2 times faster than 280 with almost same price (or little less)
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly2.jpg
According to GPU-Z, this can never be HD4870:
800mhz clock (GPU-Z displays 750)
memory clock should be 1800mhz (3600mhz effective, afaik, it's named GDDR5 and not GQDR5)
Bandwitdth is 57,6GB, so it is not GDDR5 for sure...
It's an HD4850 overclocked to 750mhz (maybe bios edited, :shrug:)
This is, in fact, very good news, HD4870 can only be better than this, which is great.
Are you going to be able to use crossfire X and say put the 4850 and the 4870 x2 together?
You can already do that with an HD3870X2+HD3850 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ral3l3it
Nice but we are going to be limited to only using the 4000 line we can't do like a 3870x2 and a 4870x2 in crossfire X right? Also how much better is the 4850 going to be over the 4870 I can't decide if I want to get a 4850 and then a 4870x2 later on and just crossfire them.
I tried a 3870X2 and my 4850.it was not even close to working, no second card seen no option for x-fire etc. so I PICKED UP ANOTHER 4850.....:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ral3l3it
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9691/e...and/index.html
I don't understand this. They say this is suppose to be HD4850 but GPU-Z shows some really weird data. Clock is much faster and it shows GDDR5 yet bandwidth is out of whack. On the other hand score is much higher than default HD4850.
I thought HD4850 will only support GDDR3. Unless of course they really meant to say this is HD4870.
Smells like fake to me. Or at least very strange.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
When will you have results up jimmyz?
Im planning on getting 3 of them. :up:
Aha! :up: Looking forward to the CF games bences. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Post CF results!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
I really don't know if that is going to be possible, but my guess is not. But it could be, one never knows for sure, so you just have to wait to see if it is possible or not :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ral3l3it
Actually I believe it IS the 4870Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
The 750MHz core cant be reached by CCC right now so unless they've already done BIOS editing, it has to be the 4870 since thats the core clock for it.
Also, 4 x 900 = 3600 MHz which is the stock mem clock of the 4870 as well. I know its not supposed to be QDR, but read the GDDR5 whitepaper by Qimonda: http://www.qimonda-news.com/download...whitepaper.pdf
GDDR5 has a lot of differences so it might not be properly detected by GPU-Z anyways. That might also be why Vantage crapped out and couldn't give a proper score since it might not be detecting the card properly.
However those test results are ridiculous for the card... if it truly performs at that level, then the 4870 might be closer to the GTX260 and 9800GX2 than we thought.
Actually, the only differences between HD4850 and HD4870 are GPU clocks (625mhz, 800mhz respectively, IIRC) and memory type (GDDR3, GDDR5 respectively)Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
It also sounds very strange to me too, I don't know what to think, but my guess is its fake... :shrug:
This is the other side of my thinkings, guess I'll need more facts to convince me :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
BTW, wasn't HD4870 supposed to be 800mhz core clock???
awesome , maybe investigate all this microstuttering stuff thats been floating around. im thinking its all bs , never come across it before...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Tommorow night I should have at least the basics. I just got the tracking, it will be here early but I work until 5pm E.S.T.so figure 7pm E.S.T. for the Futuremark stuff maybe crysis dx9 by then. tagging and uploading takes a little while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Great stuff. :)
I haven't used Vantage at all, but something is confusing me in that pic. Shouldn't there be an X or P or something before the score (maybe the glitch that caused the 0 made the letter not show up?) How do we know that the score reflects an apples-to-apples comparison vs. the 4850?
This site has a nice intro and a video of the micro stuttering problem. I bet someone has already posted this link but there is a vr-zone forum post that claims that the 4870x2 will not have any micro stuttering due to a very high bandwidth link between the GPUs and/or maybe other rendering methods like SFR tiling which require that sort of high bandwidth link. Although I was sold by the R600 pre-release hype this 4870x2 sounds very interesting indeed.
Yeah I agree. How do we know this is Xtreme at all?!Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
I suspect this might actually be HD4870 but not on Xtreme. I think it was done on Performance. That would prolly explain why some test would be lower and some higher than Performance test on HD4850 we have seen so far. Those more CPU dependent are lower and the rest are higher. After all this was done on Phenom at 2.6GHz.
I just don't believe HD4870 would be that much faster. The performance gap would be too big.
Of course I would love to be wrong but I call this BS.
Thats another BS I think. There is no 'shader clock' at 1050.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojirasan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
dont think so
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8527/46701ws3od9.png
regards
I think all this hype and faulty-information is AMDs strategy trying to lower GTX280 sales :yepp: [/conspiracy theory]
:p:
BTW, Máscaras, tens o link da página original disto?
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Originally Posted by mascaras
its 750 - i don't have the link to the slides anymore, but if it is 1.2 TFp then 750 x 800 x 2 = 1.2 TFp exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Also, GDDR5 does work differently:
The rest of it you can read here:Quote:
Bandwidth first: A system using GDDR3 memory on a 256-bit memory bus running at 1800MHz (effective DDR speed) would deliver 57.6 GB per second. Think of a GeForce 9600GT, for example. The same speed GDDR5 on the same bus would deliver 115.2 GB per second, or twice that amount. Take any GDDR3 bandwidth on a given clock rate and bus width and double it, and you get GDDR5's bandwidth. Of course, the marketing guys love big numbers and would undoubtedly not call it 1800MHz, just as 1800MHz GDDR3 is really running at 900MHz. Expect the marketing guys to call memory at that speed 3200MHz.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2309888,00.asp
From the sound of it, it IS indeed seen as 900 MHz and for GDDR3 it would just be 1800 MHz effective, but GDDR5 doubles that to 3600 MHz effective.
Hey look at that. If the 4670 can run at 800Mhz then the 4850 should be able too.
They had the Cinema 2.0 announcement + the FireGL card anouncemnt on the same day as the GTX280 release, and all these sudden leaks this week tells me that AMD is indeed trying to crap on the GT200 release
esta na TZQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
mas a fonte que esse gajo meteu nao vai dar a nenhum quadro semelhante
mas tb ha este
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1...870copyju5.jpg
ou este
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8...euj5nd0tb0.jpg
750Mhz core
1800Mhz memory ( 3600Mhz effective )
regards
ok, my bad then, I thought HD4870 would be 800Mhz clock, where is the damn donkey ears hat? :p:
@zerazax: well, your arguments, although a bit confusing, make sense to me, seems it's really an HD4870, and seems w1zzard is going to have to work again on GPU-Z to read GDDR5 correctly.
One more question:
There is no doubt at all that the Vantage test was X, right?
i doubt that the 4850 has 30GT/s ... that would equal 48TMUs... and we allready saw benches showing it at ~20GT/s (which fits perfectly fine with 32TMUs at 625Mhz) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
I have a serious doubt it was X. Think its P. Combined with low clocked Phenom and you get strange numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Well, lowest score with a Phenom 9500 and an 8800GT @ ORB is P4203marks...Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
will the 4870X2 have any problems with the X48 boards?
Why would it? X48 is currently intel's best crossfire chipset, having dual PCIe 2.0 x16 lanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
no of course, it's fully pci-e 2.0 compatibleQuote:
Originally Posted by emoners
furthermore, it will feature shared 1Gb memory and it will result in AFR problems absence
as we found out few days ago 4870 is faster even than GTX 260 in heavy Vantage mode :rolleyes:
If the bolded part is true I will try one myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
In the past with Crossfire, if a game did poorly with AFR, you were stuck using a single card or disabling onboard Crossfire by unticking CAT AI.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9689/s...box/index.html
Asus 4850 hehe
We still don't have confirmation of memory being shared. I'm as hopeful as the next person, but I'm not holding my breath on it being true. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
I can't believe the HD 4870 is delayed.. I want to play Solitaire several nano seconds faster
Same minus the solitaire bit ofcourse, just want to replace my 2900xt and hopefully stop this really really annoying driver stopped responding bs i've had for months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=208404063Quote:
We don't know what shape that will take, only that it will combine two GPUs on a card in a substantially different fashion than the Radeon HD 3870 X2, and that ATI tells us that with not-yet-fully optimized drivers it already scores over 6,000 in 3DMark Vantage on Extreme settings.
what does that mean?
plus there were rumours that there is a single device "4870 X2" in windows task manager unlike 3870 X2, 9800GX2, etc.
1024 x 768, dx9, high, no AA
Min = 28.68
Max = 96.29
Avg = 69.44
1280 x 1024, dx9, high, no AA
Min = 32.59
Max = 86.31
Avg = 62.67
1680 x 1050, dx9, high, no AA
Min = 26.83
Max = 56.83
Avg = 43.84
1900 x 1200, dx9, high, no AA
Min = 24.93
Max = 56.83
Avg = 43.84
1024 x 768 dx9, high 4x AA
Min = 26.28
Max = 81.06
Avg = 59.21
1280 x 1024 dx9, high, 4x AA
Min = 25.47
Max = 65.51
Avg = 49.07
3DMark06:
18059 3DMarks
* This is with 8.6 beta, perhaps finals will improve score further
Vantage build 1.0.1:
P10431
GPU = 11666
CPU = 7916
X5314
GPU = 5226
CPU = 7831
source anandtech forum
TEST SYSTEMQuote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
- Dell 24" Ultrasharp 2408WFP
- Antec P182
- C2D E8400 @ 3.80
- Asus Rampage Formula x48
- 8GB Muskin Redline DDR2 1000 @ 1015 5-5-5-12, 7 performance value (per AT Rampage board review)
- PowerColor 4850's in CF clocked to 660 core 1050 mem
- Thermaltake Toughpower 850W PSU
- Catalyst 8.6 Betas
- Vista 64 Premium SP1
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...VIEWTMP=Linear
I've removed the link just because I though that is against the forum's rule, to post a direct link to another forum..Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
it's allowed???
Awesome results, exactly why i bought one, and will get another soon.
It's expected here if it's a source of information. You must credit the author.Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
Linking to a forum in your sig, or to recruit new members, on the other hand, is not OK.
don't sell your 3850/70!!!!
2xHD 4850 +HD3870 DDR4
http://www.abload.de/img/triplecf42t.jpg
Crysis DX10 1920x1200 ***+8xAA**** +16xAF
21 FPS
http://www.abload.de/img/1235db.jpg
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
ok :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...&postcount=712
http://www.abload.de/img/1grtw3.jpg
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
Very nice. Maybe we should crossfire a hd4870 + hd4850 + hd3870x2 :D.
that screen doesn't mean it works. hard to tell if the crossfire is even working properly. I don't have a phenom to test with but the score looks incredibly low. I get about the same with a single 4850. I tried the 3870x2 and 4850 and no luck, sure GPU-Z would show it but windows couldn't use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
try with an 3870, maybe the 3870X2 is problematic..Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
21 FPS with crysis D10 VERY HIGH 1920 8xAA ?
seems it's working to me
a simple Xfire does 23 FPS with only 4xAA
Thats a huge tearing from GDDR 4.Quote:
Also, 4 x 900 = 3600 MHz which is the stock mem clock of the 4870 as well.
Nope, this fake. GPU-z can't properly read 4x00 series.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
other stuff has me on the fence, 750 core? there is no known utility to clock one over 700. I am not saying it isn't possible but it looks funny to me. I have a second card to test after work, I am expecting 23k+ in 06. also mem doesn't read right though I know the 4850 reads fine with GPU-Z 0.2.4 as W1zzard developed it with my card. maybe it is a 4870?
IMO, that looks like a ES using DDR3 not DDR5. Take a look at this (take note of the date it was submitted). 1002-9440 use GDDR3. We still have to wait to confirm the device ID for the 4870 is though.
Santa Claus visited me 10 minuts ago
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3113/fo1vf2.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4281/foii3.jpg
:p::p::p:
regards
Questions chaps.
How come all the cards that have been sent out to people to test have all been Power Color?
Anyone in the EU managed to buy a card today then?
Looking foward to your results mascaras. :)
That's just ridicules. HD4850 is everywhere and it hasn't even launched yet. Wtf.
Uber-Hard launch lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
Well the cards were out at retailers near the beginning of the month. Bit of a logistical problem it seems.
I think theres gonna be many angry folks under NDA out there.
When do we expect a review ? :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
DAMIT! I want one too :mad:
Santa is arriving too early this year :D
Gratz Mascaras ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Now get to work mate!
We all are eager for some home results and your GTX280 vs HD4850 (Single and Xfire) :)
@mascaras, you're a lucky guy :). I have one more request :rolleyes:. Is it a problem to start the tests with single 4850, because we've seen a lot ot CF tests and the whole world waits for the single tests :). Thanks in advance :cool:
I liked the non edited version more :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Too bad for them. Don't ever sign NDA's.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
Awesome news Mascaras !!! :cool:
Please make sure to have HD screenshots like last time :D
Perkam
Quick test
Crysis - Single Card
E8400 @ 4Ghz
HD4850 Default
Windows Vista 64 bit (Not fresh install @ Nvidia 6600 before)
Catalyst 8.5 (CD)
Crysis @ 1680x1050 @ High Setings @ DX9
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9...highdx9qr0.jpg
Average = 34.5 Fps
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Crysis @ 1680x1050 @ High Setings @ DX10
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8...ughdx10sm1.jpg
Average = 31.5 Fps
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BFG 9800GTX @ Crysis @ 1680x1050 @ High Setings @ DX10
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9...sisdx10uu4.jpg
Average = 34.5 Fps
:thumbsup:
:up:
That was fast. So it seems its slightly slower than 9800GTX in Crysis.
Waiting for CF scaling and other games! :up:
AA vs no AA is TOP priority here :D
Yeah, what about AA?
That is 34˝ not 35
and 31˝ not 32.:p:
Also, 4850 is done on Vista build 6156 (SP1)
9800GTX on older Vista build 5767
Hopefully you redo tests. I'm sure you will.... :p::up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
wait , received cards 10 minuts" ago :p:
Powercolor HD4850 Default @ Crysis @ 1920x1080 @ High Setings @ DX9
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6...1080dx9vn8.jpg
Average = 31.3 Fps
:up:
with AA this is not playable.
It's not interesting to do unplable tests.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
yes , Vista is same , differenc is SP1 , with 9800GTX SP2 beta , with hd4850 SP1 final , anyway just to have something to compare +-
:up:
31fps it's not thaat playable, It's just for comparison....
a HD3870 would do a lot less than that (31fps@dx9 high 1080p)?
31fps is playable, but it's without AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectrobozo
And i was saying it's not usefull to bench AA because below it couln'd be playable. ;)
It´s 1920 4xAA 16x AF ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
guys i start a thread only for tests
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post3071111
btw:
it looks like CrossfireX with HD4000 + HD3000 is possible
:up:Quote:
HD 48xxx + HD 38xxx:
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...&postcount=712
HD 3870 + 2x HD 4870
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=triplecf42t.jpg
Possible, but the drivers don't support it correctly yet :). It will be clear after the first official drivers.
Disappointed that it's slower than the 9800GTX :down:
4850: $199Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
9800GTX $260
But I'm going to stop reminding people of that because once they see it on Newegg for $199, knowing that you can two in crossfire (1600 SPs, 2TFlop processing power :) )for the price of a GTX 260, the numbers will speak for themselves :)
Perkam
Been saying that for the last few days, nothing to get excited about.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
9800gtx prices will come down, as will 8800gt etc
give over.... the 4850 isnt ment to be a 9800gtx killer
Well its a similar price, so yeah it has to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
I dunno, the 4850 is priced at the same level of the g92 gts, which is essentially the 9800gtx with 5% less performance....I'm assuming ATI is trying to steal market share from Nvidia, so that means to expect it to outperform the g92 gts and thus the 9800gtxQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
It will be 9800GTX killer, cause suck price cutting will minimize nvidia's profit from that card and 30% cutting is not so little at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
Do you still believe Fuad Abrazovic? The stars are telling him interesting news every day...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
What if this happens????Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
9800GTX to get a new performance driver
And we care about Nvidia's profits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
Clutching at straws?
People fell over themselves when Nvidia released a card ( GTX 280 ) that was 60% faster than the fastest single card at that price range, Ati release a $200 card that cant even beat the best $200 single card based on oldish tech and its a great card.
Go figure
Im not a fan boy at all, I can just see the HD4850 for what it is
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Yeah, magic driver to the rescue. :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
A nice card for the money that scales well in CF? :)
I'm really itchin' to replace my aging 8800 GTX. With the market going the way it is, more choices = better for the consumer.
Don't to this, you are ruinning the hype :(Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
I would love it, my 8800GT is dying to be faster :D (at least I am :ROTF:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley Pain
Yeah, right, Nvidia plans on giving the 9800gtx a 30% performance boost to keep with the 4870 just through better drivers. That just doesn't happen, at the VERY BEST, expect 10-15%, but most likely I predict around 5%. Unless if NVIDIA has been sandbagging this whole time (which I do not think they were, anyone recall the 8800ultra's launch price? They're out to make money and would have done this months ago if they could to higher price their cards), I don't think you'll see a "severe" performance increase.
Me and the other R600 owners are still waiting for it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley Pain
OMG, I just cried when red this :rofl::rofl::rofl: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
This is why I love this all nerd IT news, you often get to have a very good laugh :up:
Yeah I'm still waiting for all the shaders of the R600 and R670 to be addressed by games :D [/sarcasm]
It looks like all those problems are not familiar with the RV770 core ;).
Shame on you nVIDIA ! :slapass:
Can't we wait for real reviews?
Earlier GTX 260/280 scores were all over the board, it's just as easy to hype nVidia up as you can fake to make ATI look bad to appease the let down nVidia fanboys
Come on man, we are having a laugh @ the new speculations +magic drivers, no need to come up with that attitude :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
We are waiting for real reviews as well ;)
When we see tests from users it's more likely to believe. And why do we have to wait, when you can know details a week before the official selling start of the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
When the weakest part (fillrate, texturing) of the 4850 wins over the 8800GT... you know there's something wrong with the drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuen4y
p/s: You don't trust Jimmyz either?Quote:
8800GT HD4850
------ -------
ArmaArma Mark 1.0 : 2830 3820
CoD4 Max AA4x : 58 75 FPS
Quake 3 (OpenGL) : 395 550 FPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Something wrong with 8800GT drivers? That's why there will be a magical one? :rofl:
Which drivers? Ati's or nvidia's? And I trust all the users here ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
P.S. I think you have taken my post wrong. I do believe all the men who are testing the cards here, but I dont' believe to graphics without argumentation or some kind of proof for the tests.