Well you know what they say.. "Timing is Everything"
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Well you know what they say.. "Timing is Everything"
WZ
Ah ok I just recieved my board today, my E6600 and put it all together
Specs:
Asus P5W DH (duh)
Conroe E6600 31B (YAY)
OcZ GameXtreme 700
WD 80GB SATA
WD 80GB SATA
WD 200 GB SATA
Sony IDE RW Drive
Ok so whenevr Im installing XP I get to the point where all the drivers have loaded and Im at the part where I press enter to go into the setup.
Well it says my hard drives aren't detected so I guess my SATA hard drives aren't working properly or it is a BIOS Issue. It then says rebooting in 15 seconds and it reboots and Yeah im kinda stuck.
I dont know what BIOS im on as I haven't flashed any BIOS, Im just on "stock"
Thanks :)
what mode is SATA configured as in bios?
Standard IDE/AHCI/RAID?
ACHI and RAID need drivers to be detected in windows xp installation, standard IDE doesn't
Would that be under Chipset then Jmicron Controller ?
Sorry Im a total noob, I never had any of these types of problems on my lanparty.
Ok I found it and I set it to SATA.
But now I cant get my CD rom Drive detected. :(
I tried both IDE slots and made sure it was the correct cable and no avail.
The jumper on the CD Rom is set to Master, while I took off the jumpers on all my WD HD's.
This is more pretty much what I did, including using Ghost to do it. It does not work with moving from the E-Z ports. When I disconnect the drives from the E-Z ports XP will not boot from the other drive. Doesn't matter if it's on the ICH7 or the JMicron. Maybe I'm missing something simple, but I removed the controllers in device manager, etc.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by pee4
Can someone explain what Im doing wrong?
I can't even get into the windows set up any more becuase my CD ROM drive isn't getting detected.
I have the IDE cable from the motherboard box labeled CD ROM FROM the Rom drve to the IDE SLOT under the PCI Slots. The Jumper is set to cable select.
I have my 1 80 GB WD SATA Hard Drive WITHOUT A JUMPER in the First SATA SLOT (RED)
In the Bios Im not sure but in the section where I can select sata, Pata, or SATA + PATA what should I select.
I would really appreaciate it if someone could help me out here. Thanks :)
SATA hard drives do not need jumpers set. Look on the hard drive for pin info (set it to SATA 2 if it applies to your drive)
Make sure the IDE controllers are in auto in the bios, SATA + PATA
Move the jumper on the cd-rom drive to "master". (set the other to slave if you have 2 drives)
Put the master at the end of the cable (the slave on the middle plug)
Make sure the pluugs are in correctly. Red wire is pin #1 on drive and motherboard. See photo of cable here: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Cable.htm
Excellent!
Thank you very much!
Well now here is my seco
problem
When I press enter to setup windows, it says No Hard drive is reinstalled and I must reboot.
In the BIOS My hard drive shows up as IDE Slave 3 I beilive.
And on the BIOS checksum in the beginning, it says No master IDE HD Found!
What should I do?
Thank you very much for the help.
How many hard drives do you have?
I would disonnect the data cable(s) on all of them except for the SATA drive that you are going to install windows on. That is, make sure you have the power connector hooked up to the drive and the data cable from the drive to SATA1.
Make sure the SATA controllers are enabled in the bios (not Raid SATA). The bios should detect a drive.
If it does, install windows and then connect your other drives.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mucker
Ah im such a idiot!
forgive me, I had it in SATA3, woops :D
Thank you for your patience, I appreaciate it alot. Now I can begin to overclock my E6600!
I revieved a good stepping to! 31B!
Thanks again mate.
If you guys had to pick one BIOS to reccomend, What would it be?
I know most of them are crappy :(
I'd figure Id give 1707 a shot. So I downloaded it and Im not sure what to do with it. I see it in winrar as a rom file. eh someone help me out?
How do you know they are crappy for you if you don't even know how to flash a bios... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
Did you install the correct drivers for ICH7 (or JMircon) BEFORE you ran Ghost? If your new drive is going to be on ICH7 RAID, you need to have the ICH7 RAID drivers installed before ghosting to the new drive. Or if it's non-RAID you need to have the ICH7 non-RAID drivers installed before ghosting. You don't need to remove anything from Device Manager. If you do all of that and it's doesn't boot then I'm amazed. We're talking WinXP here right? (not Vista). When you run the Ghost, use the Ghost command line option to copy the boot sector. Are you using the Ghost floppy? - because I have never run Ghost any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clump
Yep, installed ICH7, or JMicron (tried both) before Ghosting. Running Ghost from the hard drive. I don't have a floppy installed. Using XP SP2.Quote:
Originally Posted by pee4
I just got this mobo coupled with an E6600(batch B) and 2gb of GSkill ddr2 800. Using a Zalman 9500 for cooling. I want to take this cpu to 3.2Ghz, and I want to know the best way to get there. I will be running 1:1 always, never to surpass 400fsb.
1) Will I be able to hit 3.2 on stock voltages?
2) Is it easier to hit 3.2ghz using a 400x8 fsb setup or 355x9 one?
3) Which fsb will be more stable and/or deliver better performance?
4) Should I just OC to my desired setting of 3.2ghz right off the bat and work from there?
5) For this goal I will only need to play with FSB, ram dividers and vcore? No other voltages should be messed with right?
Thank you for your time!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huigie
I have READ that they are all crappy.
Hey Nicko,Quote:
Originally Posted by nicko
Best stable with 9x 1:1 i can do is 385mhz fsb 1.57 vcore, 2.3 vdimm (5-4-4-12-28-7), 1.75v MCH = ~3470mhz .. 60c load in prime95 with my memory.. I've tried upping my vcore to 1.65 and still cannot get stable at 400mhz with even relaxed memory timings (5-6-6-18-42-8). I can boot, but i lock up doing pretty much anything..
If i don't stress my box, I'm able to get 385mhz fsb 1:1 with same top settings except 5-3-3-10-28-7 and am able to complete 3dmark06 getting my best score. However, these settings will blow me up if i try to run CCE or ProCoder (videoencoding) or dual prime95's after a while.
I'm hoping that the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II Northbridge Cooler CL-C0034 I ordered will help me get up to 400mhz fsb w/ 9x. I chose to skip adding a waterblock for the northbridge because i did not want to take any water pressure away from the cpu cooling. Maybe when i raise my vMCH higher (maybe pencil mod), I'll be able to get stable.
My testing with 8x multiplier was only brief, so I can't give you all the specs on what I did, but I know I was able to get it to run at something like 8x423 slightly relaxed memory timings 5-5-5-15 42-8, but I didn't do heavy testing. I'm focusing mostly on the 9x multiplier.
Best of luck, and put your specs in your sig when you find some good stable numbers!
Nick
I'm kinda getting sick of not being able to boot higher than 400fsb on this motherboard.
Are there any tips and tricks on how to accomplish this? :stick:
Bios: 1707
Check the tips & tricks on the 1. post...everything is explained....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gascogne
:toast:
Checked it earlier but there is no tips & tricks for being stuck at 400fsb. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nicko
Someone mind helping me out here?
EDIT:
Ok figured out the fsb. (DOH)
Now I need help trying to figure out how to run my ram @ 1:1.
Hmm...strange...did you ever run fsb beyond 400mhz?? With older bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gascogne
Are you sure that your cpu can handle 4ghz?? Probably that's the reason...
Haven't been able to boot above 400 fsb with any bios and my E6700 have done 3.7Ghz on another motherboard so that is not the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicko
I think the problem is that the P5W have problem with 4x1Gb ram oc, would be great if someone could test with 4x1Gb oc and see if they can get higher than 400fsb.
Eh the best I can do right now is 390X9 (3510MHz)
Did Super pi 1M, 15 seconds, did 32m, system shut off after loop 2. Obviously not stable.
Checked the temp in the BIOS, reported 67C. I have stock cooler on right now with a 40F Ambient Tempeture on 1.45 Vcore
Any sugestions? What is the stock Vcore and how far can you go with it until it needs more juice?
Tuniq Tower should be coming soon.
Ok, but 3.7ghz isn't 4...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gascogne
Ok, try this: Set cpu muliplier to 9, and set memory divider on DDR2 533 (on stock, at 400mhz fsb should be DDR2 800), enable SPD timings, and disable hyper path 3 if you didn't already.
I have an Asus P5W DH motherboard and I am trying to install a Thermalright HR-05 heatsink. I tried using the Asus clip when installing it, but the cheap piece of crap broke. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to get this cooler (or a similar cooler) attached to the motherboard? This is pissing me off.
No matter what I do I cannot get 400 FSB.
I disbaled Hyperpath 3 yet no go! How much voltage should I be giving the mobo?
400 fsb should be stock MCH volts. It is for me and several other people anyways. What cooling are you using on the nb?
Stock cooling.
I might go ahead and go pick up an aftermarket but I no tempetures are not the issue.
It just loops and loops.
I have enabled disabled SPD Timing meaning I can adjust the timings to my likings but still no avail.
Well ladies and gents, I have some good news. I recently sold my OCZ and purchased some Corsair PC6400C4D Dominator memory and fired it up on the ole P5WDH Deluxe. Well, currently at 400x9 with 3-4-3-9 timings running solid as a rock. I just gamed in Rainbow Six:Vegas for about an hour and absolute rock stability with MANUAL timings at 400fsb.
It looks like the Corsaid C4D is capable of running manual timings with a fsb over 360 on the P5WDH.
I just thought I would pass this information along as we are all on a search to find a fix for this bug. Well, this is one way to go about it. Change memory.
Ugh, this frustrates me. I have the CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500), and I can't hit 400 with a cpu week that many people can.Quote:
Originally Posted by daos
Anyone want to buy my memory? Just over 30 days old. :) I'm super ticked cause that Corsair c4d is 100$ cheaper than the stuff I got. And thanks to slow UPS, i won't get my NB cooler til after the new years. Boo!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickfd
I can honestly say that there is a difference between running 360fsb at 4-4-4-12 and 400fsb at 3-3-4-9 in my games I play. It seems a good bit smoother when playing Rainbow Six: Vegas with the higher fsb and tighter timings. I never really noticed a difference like this with any other CPU/Chipset combos.
Just for the record my memory is Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4D v1.2. On the little sticker that shows the model of the memory it shows v1.2. I thought that might be of help to you guys.
This is one fast motherboard once its working correctly, even at a 'lowely' 400fsb. I cant imagine those of you who run 450 and up. This is all with chipset voltage set to auto. CPU 1.575v 3600mhz load temps 38c/water. Chipset temps are loaded at 35c. Ambient temps are around 22-25c.
Another thing that is of interest is how cool these modules run even under load at 2.3v. I do not feel even the slightest bit of warmth. My OCZ memory was hot to the touch at 360fsb default voltage. Corsair did a very good job with the heatsinks on this memory.
My 400 FSB P5W DH needs 1,6V MCH to run it rock stable :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
What ICs on them and what's the price.....LOL Have you tried various BIOS Configurations? You know how people be posting their BIOS settings. Do you have the 1.85vmch or the 1.65vmch mobo? So far doing 400x9 and with the memory @ 1000Mhz CL4 with various memory brands/ICs,etc. hasn't been a problem to me. Also, have you tried giving 2.4vdimm to see what happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by nickfd
Still with the issue of only the 2:3 multiplier working. :( Can't even run DDR400 multiplier at 3-4-4-12 with this memory at FSB 450 and pass memtest, but can pass prime all day with 5-5-5-15 at that memory bandwidth.. this board is junk. :(
Guys I'm simply wondering if its normal that when I crank up my E6600 @ 3,2 GHz (400 x 8), I need 1,425v and when I try 3,3 GHz, I need 1,475v...
These voltages seem a bit high considering I got a week 26A CPU... BTW I'm using the stock cooler atm maybe it affects something...
Thanks
Overclocks aren't supposed to be normal. You're pushing your CPU past where it's supposed to run, there is no real logic to how it will run with a 1 GHz overclock.
I tried memtest the other day, 3-4-4-12 DDR670 with DDR2 1000 4-4-4-12 binned RAM, FSB 450, RAM 2.3v, MCH 1.75, ICH 1.2, FSB 1.4. It failed after six hours and 20 minutes, 15 and a half passes.. it hung there.
Now at that same speed, I can't do more than ten minutes of memtest.
I tried 440 FSB with the same general settings, and it froze after about 25, it rebooted.
I cleared CMOS and tried again.. now it doesn't see my DVD drive when I try to boot off of it to run memtest? It never showed up as a DVD drive in the BIOS, but if I hit F8, I could always choose it to boot from.
This is by far the most borked board I've ever dealt with..
Mine E6600 week 23 can't either. I was able to get 390x9 tops so wouldn't be strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
Hey nicepun,Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
I'm not sure what "IC" is, so my apologies. I'm negotiable on price, send me a pm. :) I only wish that I would have known of you guys on this board shortly after building my rig instead of coming around to it after my 30day warranty with newegg passed.
I have tried *so* many bios configurations that it's not even funny. My mb can go up to 1.85 MCH, which I've tried stock (doesnt help my fsb at all with 9x multiplier). The memory is rated 5-5-5-15@533mhz ddr2, but i'm actually running benchmarks and things at 5-3-3-10 without a problem at 385*9. It's when I try to go higher that I seem to hit a wall.
The CPU is getting 1.57 or 1.58v, ram at 2.3 (it's rated 2.2v), 1.65mch now, but I've tried even pushing 1.65v, 2.4v ram, 1.85mch and havent been able to get over 390 with 9x.
I did try stuff with 8x and was able to run 8x428 with 1.60v to cpu and i don't remember the other settings (was late at night), so I've decided to stick with 9x until I can figure out what my problem is. I know the NB cooling will help, but from what I've read on this board, other people with my ram are not able to clock it high on this mb. On nforce680i chipsets it's just fine, cause I saw several people in their forums with same cpu and mem able to hit it without a problem.
Edit: I'm thinking it would probably be easier to sell my mb and buy the nforce 680 one than selling the ram, but I may run into an issue if I do the NB mod (unless I put it back). Anyone know if the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II Northbridge
Cooler CL-C0034 would be compatible on the nforce 680i NB ?
So I tried your suggestion with 1.6 Vmch +400 fsb and it dosen't even boot.
*sigh*
Time to send this back to newegg? Im not sure :(
sorry....double post....see below
lawrywild - Maybe you can put "Optimal Bios Settings" so people can try them first as starting point. Just a suggestion. Of course the various people can submit their bios settings to you.
I think I may send this back to newegg and get a P5B-Deluxe.
Or I could get an E6700 and with the 10X Multi be happy with 370 FSB @ 3.7 GHz. But that would be more exspensive. Also, does updating the bios to 1707 help the FSB? Im on 1407.
+1 for optimal Bios settings. That would be great.
Can somebody please recommend solid BIOS config to boost E6600 / Corsair Twin2X2048-6400PRO by 10-15%? Mobo is giving me fits. Bios is 1606. Running 266MHz x 9, FSB 1068, Core 1.31V, 5-5-5-12 to maintain 2.4 GHz clock. However, sometimes rig runs only 1.6 Ghz with 6x multiplier for some strange reason. Using CNPS9500CU cooler in P180 case with decent fans, PSU is EnerMax’ EG701AX
Also wrestling:
-controller conflicts AHCI, jmb and sil (AHCI and Ez Raid0 don’t get along)
-windoze reset of XP theme (Luna, sound, screensaver, ACPI )
-unreliable dual monitor support
I’ll work through periphal issues but like to dial-in solid Bios config first . So I came to the source….
Cheers
FP
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
I agree, this would help out a lot of the new users because there are so many pages in this thread it would be a constant over n over same stuff being said. I myself have said these optimal settings before, keep in mind to only use it as a guideline since every setup is different and no guarantee when overclocking.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2100
Hey syne I'l give that a shot, it looks good! :)
But yeah, Unless I can get over 420 FSB, I will probably be sending this board back and getting an Asus P5B Deluxe/WiFi. I need high fsb :)
guys ...
I read an article on Madshripms about C2D and mem timings where it was said that they are not important as much as they used ot be on AMD systems.
the difference in performance in most cases is between 2-3%
so if my 667Mhz ram runs at 825Mhz at 5-6-6-18 ... who cares right?
syne_24 I wrote down all your information and I punched it in my BIOS.
Im using 1407.
I then saved it all, rebooted, and to my amazement for the first time ever, Windows was loading!:D
But then when windows was done loading, I got a BSOD, and my system went back to defualts again.
Would the new BIOS fix this? I wouldn't mind flashing or using asus's EZ Flash, but I odnt have a floppy drive.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
Hey I was looking in your signature and I saw you have the same BIOS as me and are @ 3.6 GHz.
Could you post all your settings maybe? I would REALLY appreaciate it.
EDIT: I demand to know how you obtained such a high FSB on your 4GHz Bench? Please :D
GREAT! That helps so much.. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ASUS Technical Support
Yeh ok, when I get some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicepun
But settings for stock? What oc? etc?
Everyone start posting bios pics please. (pics (camera) preferred to text) :)
I just picked up a used P5W DH from a friend but I dont have any of the install disks, I am not going to be running raid just a SATA drive, will I need to download anything other than the Yukon drivers to get the board up and running?
Latest drivers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarowah
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
can you guys tell me the following please:
1. what voltage will I need to most likely use to get to 3.2Ghz with my E6400 ? 1.45V ?
2. Will I have to up the MCH voltage at such high FSB or leave auto ?
3. Leave SPD setting to enabled?
my ram can pull 800mhz at 2.0V and spd enabled (meaning timings are adjusted automatically)
I asked this in Extremeoverclocking.com but this seems like a better thread for the question. IF I'm setting up 2 RAID 0 arrays on this board, what should I do?
1 EX backup one southbridge? 2 southbridge?
I have 2 WD Raptor 36gb for the OS and 2 Seagate 250gb for files. Any suggestions?
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
use the 3 ports located together and 1 orange port.
all 4 ports show up in intel matrix raid and you can configure what you want there.
Too bad this limits you to a single operating system.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
What if my overclock requires certain RAM timings to get to windows? They're assuming I am windows stable before setting the subtimings. I can't get to windows at DDR890 at 450 FSB. My friend with the infinity from DFI that was $50 cheaper can.. and he can run memtest for five minutes. This was after tweaking ONE SUBTIMING that I told him about over the phone, from the auto of 7, to 9. If I could tweak the drive strengths and the rest of them, I could probably get him a prime95 and memtest 8+ hrs stable system. But here.. there's nothing. It's useless. I got what I deserved for buying a board with built in wifi and DIGITAL HOME written on the front box. Gimmicks, yes. Good overclock, no. Now where's that RD600? :)
Incase you wouldn't mind my assistance.. my CPU is close to yours. Lower the FSB to 400 and set the RAM up a single notch from the bottom divider, which is what I used here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
FSB 450
DDR670
PCI 33 MHz
PCI express 100 MHz
CPU 1.55 vcore
RAM 2.3 vdimm
FSB termination voltage 1.4
MCH voltage 1.75
ICH voltage 1.2
RAM timings set manually, to 4-4-4-12, with all the bullcrap disabled, and the bottom options left to auto in the chipset options.
P.S.
I like how almost no motherboard manufacturer has real english speaking tech support. Please refer FAQ! Yeah, make $250-$400 boards that are worse than the $170 DFI one and still have tech support in China. Another win for ASUS! :)
(is it obvious this board disappoints me?)
Well, lets see what happens now :cool: IMO she'll just not bother :rolleyes:Quote:
Dear sir/madam,
I will feed back your requirement to our interrelated department. If there is any further information we will release on ASUS website immediately. Sorry for any inconvenience that caused to you. Please pay attention on the following URL:
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...luxe&type=BIOS
Sincerely,
Penny
ASUS Customer Service Center(China)
---------- Original Message ----------
From : lawrywild
Sent : 2006-12-28 7:53:28
To : "tsd@asus.com.tw"
Subject : Re:Re:<TSD> Motherboard P5W DH Deluxe
[CASEID=WTM2006122875287190]
"I'm sorry that in the BIOS of P5W DH Deluxe, there isn't the option tRFC for memory to configure. "
Yes, thanks, I KNOW that since that's why I sent this email in the first place. That is no good, users of
this motherboard NEED tRFC to become an option in the BIOS. PLEASE just forward this to someone
in your BIOS department. Seriously, it would be a lot easier for me and you to just forward this to
someone who can actually do something about it.
Thanks.
---------- Original Message ----------
From:ASUS TSD
To:lawrywild
Date:2006-12-26 18:21:30
Dear sir/madam,
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
My name is Penny. It's my pleasure to help you with your problem.
I'm sorry that in the BIOS of P5W DH Deluxe, there isn't the option tRFC for memory to configure.
For memory configuration, please enable "Configure DRAM Timing by SPD" in BIOS. The system will
get the! exact information from your memory directly. Or you may use a third party software to adjust in
Windows. Sorry for any inconvenience that caused to you.
Wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
If you have any problem, please refer FAQ(Frequently Asked Questions) or contact us again. We
will try our best to help you.
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
Sincerely,
Penny
ASUS Customer Service Center(China)
---------- Original Message ----------
From : lawrywild
Sent : 2006-12-23 2:53:44
To : "tsd@asus.com.tw"
Subject : <TSD> Motherboard P5W DH Deluxe
[CASEID=WTM20061223253213982]
Apply date : 12/23/2006 2:53:21 AM
[Contact Information]
*Name : Lawrence Wild
[Problem Description]
Hi,
Ever since I have bought this board, it has been impossible to run over 356fsb stable without having
to set Memory Timings to SPD Ena! bled which results in a measly 5-6-6-18-21 timings which is
extremely poor. If I set timings manually I can't POST above 356fsb but if I set SPD timings to Enable,
I can POST up to 420fsb.
There is a lengthy discussion in my thread here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=110193
and MANY MANY others have the same problem.
using MEMSET 3.0 (a windows timing adjuster) it has been found out that the problem of this is the
tRFC value. Using SPD timings the tRFC is set to 42 and allows a FSB of up to 465 for my board.
When timings are set manually (4-4-4-12) I get a tRFC of 35 and the board gets extremely unstable
and the FSB cannot go above 370 without freezing. I can boot into windows at 356fsb with 4-4-4-12
timings set, then using MEMSET 3.0 to adjust tRFC to 42 and then use Clockgen (a windows fsb
adjuster) and I can go all the way to 465fsb so it obvious that the tRFC value is causing this problem.
Myse! lf and many others (see my thread I linked to earlier), using a whole range of different memory
brands, ICs etc, have been waiting months for a BIOS update where tRFC is a option in the Chipset
timings settings. But still, months later there is still no option and we are limited to boot at 356fsb or
lower. For the insane amount of money I paid for this motherboard, I think it is outrageous that such a
small, simple option that could fix everyones fsb problem with this motherboard has still not been
added to the BIOS. Whereas, on your cheaper motherboard (P5B Deluxe etc) you have had the
tRFC option in the BIOS since the very beginning)
PLEASE PLEASE let your BIOS department know of this issue, so it can be resolved. It is just one
simple bios option to fix a hundreds of peoples fsb problem.
I can assure you that if this issue is not fixed, you're going to lose a large segment of future enthusiast
customers. I for one won't be buying another ASUS motherboard after my experience with this one.
I'! ve had about 5 ASUS motherboards before this and all were good, but this one has changed my
mind on your company completely and you will no longer receive my money.
Thank You.
I PMed you with some info. Also, I did not do anything special for high OC. I booted into windows 440x9, then used ClockGen for the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
I'll post pics later.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
Hi all,
I was determined to run some additional tests to see what may be my limiting factor on why I cannot get over 3500mhz with my e6600 and I think it's the actual CPU itself. If it's not based on my conclusions which I will write below, please correct me.
As I just updated and posted in my sig, my best stable with 9x 1:1 i can do is 1.57 vcore, 2.3 vdimm (5-3-3-10), 385mhz fsb = 3470mhz, but slightly better performance (in 3dmark06) at 8x 1:1 1.61 vcore, 2.4 vdimm (4-4-4-12), 440mhz fsb, 3520mhz. As you see, about 3500mhz is the max I can go, and if I try anything higher, no matter how much vcore I put to the cpu, maxing out my vdimm (2.4v) and mch (1.75v stock cooling thus far), even relaxing the memory as much as I can, it just won't do it.
When I do 400x9 with SPD settings for mem (rated 5-5-5-15), it gives me 5-6-6-18. I'm able to boot into windows with 1.60 vcore, and since i don't have my notes in front of me, I can't give you the complete specs.. but I drop the tRFC to 8, set the mem to 5-6-6-18 42-8, and am unable to complete a run of 3dmark06 or any stressing app without a lock. I upped the vdimm to 2.4 (max choice), vcore to 1.65, and mch to 1.75v with still no results.
Then I started messing with the 8x multiplier a bit more, which got a bit interesting. Previously, my stable and happy clock at 9x is 9x384(5) ~3465mhz, with dual prime95s good and a reasonable 3dmark06 score, so I decided to change the multiplier to 8x and use memset and clockgen to continuously update the information to find the best stable info.
Riddle me this.. I was able to go up to 8x 1:1 1.61 vcore, 2.4 vdimm (4-4-4-12 42-7), 440mhz fsb, 3520mhz and got my absolute highest 3dmark06 numbers. Previously, my highest numbers were 9x 1:1 1.57 vcore, 2.3 vdimm (5-3-3-10 28-7), 385mhz fsb = 3470mhz. However, even when I lowered some of the middle ram timings outside of the CAS in 8x, I actually got lower scores, which didn't make much sense to me.
Btw- all while doing this, all my hardware was either cool or only very slightly warm inside the case. I could barely feel heat coming from the top, side, and heatpipe on the NB (no mods), and the ram was only slightly warm to the touch. I remember reading that some people were actually able to feel the hotness on the NB to the point where they could not keep their fingers on it for more than a second, but it's not the case with me.. Maybe my watercooling and the HUGE amount of CFM and number of fans that are circulating air around the case.
So ultimately, I retract my offer of selling the ram since I can actually get great results out of lowering the cas to 4 (which I didn't think I could do), and really raise the fsb on 8x multiplier,
Do you guys think I hit the max on my CPU since in both scenarios I'm just around 3500mhz?
Thanks, and no more spending 6hrs tweaking settings anymore (until the new NB cooler comes in). :)
Is anyone using a Plextor 755 SATA or Plextor 712 SATA drive with success?
Plextor's website has a fairly restrictive list of compatible motherboards with these drives and the P5W DH Deluxe isn't on the list.
If anyone is using one, which SATA port is it connected to? My ports 1 & 3 are already used up for RAID 0.
Thanks
From your sig:Quote:
Originally Posted by nickfd
>>> CPU: e6600 (L627A906) Rev B2 2.4ghz @ ~3.5ghz / MB: ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (1707 bios) / Mem: Corsair XMS2 2gb DDR2 1066mhz (PC2 8500) 5-5-5-15 <<<
I wouldn't recommend set the CAS latency to 4, when the SPD says 12 on 800Mhz, 15 on 1066 Mhz, or you may expect errors.
To your question "Do you guys think I hit the max on my CPU since in both scenarios I'm just around 3500mhz?" i would say no, that is not the max.
I have the same CPU, mobo and RAM as you [Corsair XMS2 2gb DDR2 PC2 8500].
I have E6600 @ 3.6 Ghz - 400 FSB -9x 1:1 - Ram 800 Mhz (x2, Dual Channel) @ 4-4-4-12; 1.5725 vcore, 1.9 vdimm.
Tested stable daily even during the heaviest gaming. Zalman CPNS9500 CPU cooler keeps it just under the 82 degrees Celsius limit.
3DMark06 CPU score=3184.
http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/C...12-28dec06.jpg
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Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Ouch... 82 degrees!! I think thats to much..
From alot of the posts I just read (only sucka at work), it seriously sounds like your cpu's cannot handle 400 fsb.
I've owned a few e6600's and all their max oc is different. Some of them reached a highest of 390 while others went past 420. A few points I want to point out with these chips:
1. At their max OC (while on air/water), no matter how much voltage applied, it will not run stable.
2. If your cpu requires you to run 1.6vcore and if each increase in fsb requires you to raise the vcore then it's near it's limit.
3. If your cpu can't go past 400x9 but can hit 440x8, then it's near it's limit.
4. You can overclock these chips quite a bit using stock voltage. Of all the 6600's I owned, they all did 3.0ghz (330x9) on stock voltage. Don't be surprised if all of a sudden the next 5mhz requries you to pump a ton more voltage. You're about to hit your limit soon.
Please understand this before you start putting the blame on this board. I haven't had trouble with it since day 1, and I'm sure there are quite a few others that would agree.
Edit: Merry Xmas to all and happy new years!
Edit: correcting typo.
@nickfd:
Hi, I also have cpu from 27 week, and I think that around 3.6ghz is cpu limit with normal vcore....
I must tested it yet, beacouse I didn't have time to do that before...
When I finish, I'll post the result here...
@Unbornchild:
Why do you think that the CAS 4 is too much @800?? It's perfectly normal, mostly depends on ram that you use...
And I also think that 82 deg. is way too much for cpu....you'll kill it....
EDIT:
@pphx459:
I totally agree with you...thx for the explanation about some things to the others...
Cheers!
No, 82 degrees is the max allowed according to Intel themselves (couldn't find the link atm, i'll edit when i've found it). Anyway, mine stays at 81 at full stress load.
Here you see a list of other CPU's temps: http://www.technibble.com/what-is-my...u-temperature/
:)
Yup......runs easily at that........what I run mine on 24/7.Quote:
Of all the 6600's I owned, they all did 3.0ghz (300x9) on stock voltage
I can do 400x9 easily too.....but only after setting RAM to SPD in BIOS and vCore at 1.6v. 1-5Mhz over this and no boot whatsoever.
My tRFC when running at 'Manual' timings is showing as 28 and 42 when set to SPD.
Week 29 chip.
Get your self a Sycthe Kama Bay Cooler, and Lap your C2D so you can stay int he 70 range.
There's a difference between maximum and preferred. Heck, it's your chip, nothing we can really say. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
JMicron provides a much better AND newer driver than ASUS:
ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/jmb36x/Win2k_xp_Vista/
-Much lesser CPU usage
-IDE drives automatically run at UDMA mode rather than PIO mode (if supported)
Firstly, 300x9 is not 3Ghz, it's 2.7Ghz :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pphx459
and either:
1. You know not much at all
or
2. You havn't even bothered to read the thread properly
Anyway, since you're such a genius, please tell us noobs why we can get over 400fsb with tRFC changed to 42 and setfsb and yet always limited to around 360fsb in bios with manual timings, no matter vcore/multiplier etc.
Actually, here's a better riddle. Why can we boot 400fsb+ with SPD to Enable but when manually setting 5-6-6-18 we can't post above about 360-370 fsb?
I'd like to know what the answer to that would be.. yeh and don't say the board/bios since we already know that and you'd just end up contradicting yourself and looking stupid.. :toast:
Not everyone is affected by that though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
i have an e6600 with a scythe ninja rev.b on a p5w-dh-deluxe. i cannot get 3.2 ghz (400 x8) stable unless i bump mch up to 1.85 v ... is that reasonable? i have stock chipset cooling, but i replaced the thermal paste with ac5 and tore the cover off the heatsink. Will the northbridge run too hot on 1.85 in this situation? Should i get myself an HR-05 heatsink or maybe reduce my overclock?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jameskk
Yes, I have to do it to mine as well (1.85vmch). If you want you can put a small fan on it or you can buy an after market NB cooler. How does it feel to the touch? Anyway, it's up to you but cooling it down won't hurt.
oops typo, and my reference wasn't for the whole thread, just to some of the other complaints in the later posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
Yes but it's still down to tRFC. If asus put more timings in the bios, no one will have the problem.. therefore it IS the board that's the blame. When was the last time you heard of someone with a badaxe/aw9d have this problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis_GT
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
i dont think trfc option is going to do you any good
i have the p5w64 WS and it has those 2 options
refresh cycle time & read delay i leave both auto
and i can boot over 400fsb only with micron memory
with elpidia i couldn't do this not matter what trfc i gave it
or read delay
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6605/memsetcq3.jpg
as you can see memset timings are the excact same as your p5w dh
i dont have any problem hitting 420 fsb 1.1 memory dont even have to touch trfc setting or read delay
OK, I can get to 434 fsb with everything on default except vcore (1.48), pci express (105) and pci (33.3). What should I do next do try and get past the 434 fsb barrier? Also, I haven't tried setting the spd to manual because frankly I don't know what I'd be doing. What spd timings should I try?
go up on the vmch to 1.65
up the vcore to 1.525
keep an eye on temps for the cpu....its ok to run into the 60-65c area or a little higher...( using "coretemp" ) to monitor...others have run their systems higher than that on temps with no stability issues...personally i try to keep it lower than that unless just pushing for the highest clock....
What do mch, ich and fsb voltages control? Whats a safe max vcore to try before giving up?
I'm using the Plextor PX-755 SATA and it works perfectly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
Well I already know that tRFC will help since I can change it with memset and go up to 465 fsb...Quote:
Originally Posted by nanoprobe32
I would like to thank you for this post. I get the same as you, I have 1 e6400 that will run 445fsb no prob at around 1.6V on water, 425 at 1.4V 435 at 1.55V and 445 at1.6Vm, they ramp up quick. I also have an e6600 that will not run over 400fsb on the same board at any vcore.My memory at 400 will run 1:1 at 4-4-4-12 2.25V and mch 1.65 or 4:5 (500mhz) at 2.35V and 1.75mch both turbo no hp3.This mb is one of the better mb I have owned and I think most peoples problems are with there cpu also.Quote:
Originally Posted by pphx459
Are you allowed to put 1.6v into an e6400/e6600 without instantly killing it?
My radiator is in the window, with three fans intaking the 25F-35F outside air. At 1.55v, if I turn my pump speed up I get 40c coretemp with prime95.. I'd love to try and see what more it can do.
OK... so why did some people buy some teamgroup d9 and could boot over 400fsb.. same cpu yet without the D9 they couldn't post over about 360-370 like me..? It's tRFC..
Trcf? Is that the 5th number that cpuz shows for memory timmings?It changes when I change the ram speed.16-22.
Also my ram will not even post if set to spd at 400fsb or any timmings other than 4-4-4-12.
Quick question......
My E6600 runs rock stable at 400x9 w/ my ram(Corsair 8500)@ 4-4-4-12 timings.This is with my v-core @ 1.53.My highest bench OC is at 445x9 w/ my ram at 2.2v. in a 1/1 ratio @5-6-6-18. I can get into windows up to 465...but not able to bench.I have been able to get mt ram up to 500MHz with the 5-6-6-18 timings and the multi at x8. Why is that I can not go past 400 FSB when my my CPU is at a x8 multi no matter how high I up my v-core?(This includes when I set the ram ratio to 1/1 to run with the x8 multi)
No, that would be TrcQuote:
Originally Posted by fordf250
You are absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by pphx459
I was talking about the T-junction, explained here: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...owitworks.html
and it is CoreTemp that i used, next to the IntelThermalAnalysisTool tat.exe
From the Intel sheet that i still haven't found yet i read the 6600's T-junction = 82° C
That is what i monitored during Orthos stresstest, 9 hours @ 3.6 Ghz without error i find sufficient. Higher clocked, i got alarms from CoreTemp, and TAT reported CPU 0 = 79 ~ 81 / CPU 1 = 80 ~82 (the limit). But at 3.6 Ghz also CPU1 stays just below the 82° C limit. Well, Orthos is 100% CPU-load. Not many games put a 100% load on the Core2Duo 6600, as you may know. ;)
Idle temp of my 6600 while i'm typing now is 45° C. <<<[EDIT: this time i mean the Asus Probe temp. And during gaming (Dark Messiah of Might and Magic) the top temperature is 58° C AsusProbe temp. Hmm... you see: the Zalman is doing a great job. ;)]
I wanted the Tuniq Tower, but it was too hard to get a hand on one. So i took the Zalman CNPS9500, as it had very good test reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord AnthraX
Besides the Zalman cpu cooler i have a Cross Flow Fan blowing over the motherboard in my fine Cooler Master Stacker.
A question, Lord AnthraX. Are you saying that lapping the cpu could gain me 10° C??? If it's true, i'll seriously consider lapping!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
I'm guessing the Kama Bay Cooler could lower temps a little bit, as it would push more air through the exhaust and help out the 9500 as that's what it was designed for. Dual kama bays could make a significant change if your wires don't clog up the 3.5" bays.
And I believe lapping the CPU will give you a 3-6 decrease:) Although dont quote me on that ;) Ask someone thats done it :stick:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
I know, I know, I'm just saying that I can run up to 899mhz 3-3-3-4 before it won't post... Asus Really needs to give us those timings.
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ntitledvp8.jpg
Code:BIOS 1407
BIOS SETTINGS
JumperFree Configuration
AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL
CPU Frequency : 443 FSB
DRAMM Frequency :884 MHz
Performance Mode : Standard
PCI Express Frequency : 111Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz
Memory Voltage : 2.40V
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.6725v
FSB Termination V : 1.50v
MCH Chipset V : 1.85V
ICH Chipset V : 1.20v
--------------------------------------------------------
CPU Configuration
****Default CPU Ratio : Disabled
****Ratio CMOS Setting: [9]
Microcode Update : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Enabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
*Advanced Chipset Settings
*Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : Disabled
*DRAM CAS Latency : 5
*DRAM RAS Precharge :4
*DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4
*DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 16
*DRAM Write Recovery Time :4
Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disabled
Yeah.
Im trying to get to 4GHz.
I am pumping ALOT of vcore into this baby. I can go 1.7 And have alright temps. Im freezing my ass off right now. Stock voltage it idles at 6C.
Any way. I used clock gen to go to 4.0 GHz. And I did 1m and It finished but 14 seconds. I guess it needs even more voltage. I might go 1.7 when my tuniq comes here.
After I get a benchable 4.0GHz Im going to get 8+ hours orthos at 3.6 :)
Oh btw BIOS 1407 have been good for me. No problems here.
oops sorry :( double post.
Asus P5W DH Deluxe BIOS 1707
E6600
Tuniq Tower 120
G.SKILL HZ 2GB 6400
WD 250GB Sata 16mb
ATI 1950XT
Zalman VF900
Antec P180 Silver
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1...0024qh0.th.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7...0025gs2.th.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...0026pz7.th.jpg
I can`t change the fsb? what is wrong? Maybe i should change some jumpers or something like that? Couse i just put all parts together, updated bios and changed a few settings in bios. What should be the settings of the bios for E6600? can anybody do the favour? Write (or make screenshots) bios setting from the from beginning to end? help please.
2BIG4U type a number when you highlight the FSB :)
ok. i will try. tell me what voltages should be?
Hey all, sorry, I got busy after I posted my results and questions yesterday with finding a Wiiiiiiiii, and ended up playing it to the wiii hours of the morning :p:
Thanks for all your feedback regarding the wall I ran into. When i get my new NB cooler, I'll examine the bottom of my cpu waterblock and lap if necessary, lap the new NB if necessary, and reapply as5 everywhere. When I'm pushing load at 1.61v required for me to be stable at 8x440, my cores on CoreTemp are in the 70s.. I think it should be cooler for my water setup.
@Unbornchild - I'll try and run my 3dmark with my best settings and get the CPU score out of it for ya. I know the overall with 8x440 1:1 4-4-4-12 42-7 I got a total score of 11220. Screenshot will come after I get my zelda wii fix for a few hours (later tonight) :)
Happy Friday and hope everyone enjoys your day!
lawrywild, how much vcore do you need to 3.2GHz? Are you using this setup 24x7?Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
1.4v real :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper.Br
and yeh, course