Choosing The Best Pump for Your WaterCooling System

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Originally Posted by irenic

hi, i'm quite new in DIY watercooling, and i just bought D5 from a friend. Since both of us are newbie :D we tried google to learn about the adjustable dial at the back of the D5. and we cant find any site that explain anything bout it..
So any of u guys mind to explain to me bout it?.. what it is for, and which one is better, lower number or higher number (5)

thx

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No.1 setting lowerst pressure/flow rate...No.5 is max setting(also the max for heat dump)..mine is set to 3 for noise, heat and performance

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Originally Posted by BlaqMale

^^^ it's funny that you'ld post links from the systemcooling.com review of the apogee but my question to you is then, why is it that in an actual test system was there only 1 degree difference when the volts were turned up.
the apogee didn't do so bad against the storm though the chart dictates that it would suck against the storm.

i believe that with a storm in the loop the max flow rate will be too low for any real performance of the maze4 blocks that will be in my loop. Here's the CHART i've been using.
i'm a complete noob to watercooling but it seems to me that with DD blocks i will have a less restrictive loop than a single storm and be able to have a high flow loop.
anywho storm is out, not a block thread, here about pumps

My real question is, how much difference would there be in temps between pumps in this setup (best guestimate)
DD tdx block, 2 DD maze4 gpu blocks (maybe a maze 4 chipset block) cooled by a pa 120.3
temp difference for the following pumps, DD magII LE, Laing D5 (655) , Laing Ddc 2 (355) with petra top?????


on a different note, anybody else think that maybe people here on xs have been programmed to respond, storm, pa 120.3, ddc 2 with top without being able to justify in results the extra cost for a storm compared to other blocks, the extra cost of the top for the ddc 1/2?

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if your looking for the best performing pump, then go with a DDC-2 with petra top, hell go with two DDC-2's with two petra tops in series, you'll get high flow rates no matter what. then this isnt your ordinary set up, nor normal conditions.

as with the gpu block, the storm is a bit restrictive. but, its the best block IMO. both waterblocks performed very well. Under normal conditions the apogee can perform on par with the storm. its just a personal preference how your looking to WC. the strom works best with just plain old distilled water and a really good pump.

i know its not always best to use charts like this, but these are just illustrations to better see what is happening.

http://www.systemcooling.com/images/...image28big.gif

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on a different note, anybody else think that maybe people here on xs have been programmed to respond, storm, pa 120.3, ddc 2 with top without being able to justify in results the extra cost for a storm compared to other blocks, the extra cost of the top for the ddc 1/2?

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because simply this is xtreme systems after all and they asked for the best(no budget concerns or really hard earned money for the best bang for the buck reasons) and the usual reasons being:
1. the PA120.3 is the current king of radiators
2. the ddc-2 with top is the best/compact pump without going overboard for an iwaki pump
3. the Storm in the right setup would cool better than most blocks, but due to limited batch stocks, the Aquaxtreme mp05-LE is next recommended.

but of course with monetary concerns there are still the #2s that are more than adequate enough for simple setups like a single cpu block
like one of swiftech's or petra's kits

bottom line is different people, different reasons/perception, different setups, different ambients, and different budget...

what is better: Alphacool 1510 or Laing DDC-1?

Chart above reflects a lab test situation not a real application! If you compare the blocks at the same flow rate, that is not realistic as the Storm is very restrictive (with a ddc ultra, PA120.3 & 1/2 tubing the Storm drops flow by 30% by itself, Apogee only 5-6% so you should compare Apogee with Storm at 25% lower flow and then they are much closer. In general Storm is better with small, hot heat source (overclocked P4 anyone) but with larger less intense heatsource differential is much smaller and if you were to take Kentsfield, with it's 2 widely spaced dies, I suspect that Apogee will win out as the Storm is focussing it's flow between the dies - I am still waiting for Kentsfield to test for myself but have been told this is the case and it certainly makes sense to me.

I think it's time that we had some realistic reviews of relative performance using real components to reflect the actual performance of blocks, pumps radiators etc not absolute numbers from the test bench that ignore the issues encountered when using a waterblock on a CPU(not a die simulator) with a watercooling pump and radiator to give real world results. The Apogee/Storm comparison is a good example of this where pump performance, particularly pressure (head) generated, is vital to obtain good performance and even then it is not the out & out winner. Heresy I know and apologies to Cathar but I am sure he accepts that Storm (certainly in Swiftech form) is not the best solution in all situations.

Does anyone know where to get iwaki or blueline pumps over here in the UK?
And or anywhere to get an Iwaki RD30?

how is the Danger Den MAG II - LE for just a cpu loop

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Originally Posted by Chewb|t

how is the Danger Den MAG II - LE for just a cpu loop

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108502

Search is your friend... ;)

I have a mcp600 now, but the connector(where you put the tubing on) is broken. I can repair it by buying a used pump, which don't work. It's 25 dollar incl shipping. I can also buy a used laing D5(mcp655) for 50 euro incl shipping.

If i read the startpost, i can better buy the mcp600 right?
I will use it with:

Swiftech MCW6002
Swiftech MCW50(want to replace this with a mcw60/maze4)
BIXII
Danger den 5 1/4" bay reservoir.

Which pump of those 2 is the best for me?

Danger Den MAG II - LE??

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Originally Posted by barzi

I have a mcp600 now, but the connector(where you put the tubing on) is broken. I can repair it by buying a used pump, which don't work. It's 25 dollar incl shipping. I can also buy a used laing D5(mcp655) for 50 euro incl shipping.

If i read the startpost, i can better buy the mcp600 right?
I will use it with:

Swiftech MCW6002
Swiftech MCW50(want to replace this with a mcw60/maze4)
BIXII
Danger den 5 1/4" bay reservoir.

Which pump of those 2 is the best for me?

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I have a old pump head from that pump (rev 1) the bearing part has failed but the outside casing is perfect shape.

Rev2 pump heads are different so if you need a rev1 outside casing and live in the usa I let mine go cheap.

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Originally Posted by dj_mix

I have a old pump head from that pump (rev 1) the bearing part has failed but the outside casing is perfect shape.

Rev2 pump heads are different so if you need a rev1 outside casing and live in the usa I let mine go cheap.

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I have just this one:

http://www.burnoutpc.com/images/revi...00-350X426.jpg

I don't know if it's rev 1 or 2. It's just that black thing.

I don't live in the usa, i live in the netherlands(europe). But if you only ship that thing, i don't it's expensive at all. It don't have to be a package, you can put it in a big envelope?

just pm me, if you have that black thing, and it's all right(perfect shape).

Aussie noob here,

i have spent the last few hours reading through all these posts, and i didn't seem to see any1 mention pumps from Australia, i noticed shipping & customs fees are not very cheep, so i was wondering i any1 could point me in the right direction in regards to finding a suitable pump here in Australia, i was going to order a Water Cooling Kit, but i see alot of you have built yours from the ground up using the best parts.. so I'm going to try and follow in your footsteps

i dont like playing the noob part but you have to start somewhere i guess

I am buying/building my new rig next week
Cpu: e6600
Mobo: evga 680i
Ram: ocz 2 gig 800 mhz
video: 7950 Bfg

any help regarding a suitable pump from Australia would be great, i would like to cool cpu, and gpu.. and thanks in advance to alll who reply :)

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Originally Posted by Darren1981

Aussie noob here,

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Hey Darren1981 - I have the same problem, but I bit the bullet and bought from Thermochill & EK Waterblocks. Seems like we have to pay the premium for our 'splendid isolation' :slap:

I've searched hi & lo and the only thing I wanted that I could source locally was the trusty ol' Lian Li case. Good luck and let me know if you find anything of worth locally.

I should add that the total freight charges I've paid come close to $220 AUD for all my o/s sourced gear :bs:

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Originally Posted by Ambro

Hey Darren1981 - I have the same problem, but I bit the bullet and bought from Thermochill & EK Waterblocks. Seems like we have to pay the premium for our 'splendid isolation' :slap:

I've searched hi & lo and the only thing I wanted that I could source locally was the trusty ol' Lian Li case. Good luck and let me know if you find anything of worth locally.

I should add that the total freight charges I've paid come close to $220 AUD for all my o/s sourced gear :bs:

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i thought ***k it ill take my chance and order from the U.S.A .. so i choose all my (cooling) parts, only to find out newegg :slapass: dont ship to aus.. and thats where i hoped to get my parts for my computer too, soo now ima kinda realy a mess, everything you guys have over there we get 6 months later & pay a extra 50-60 (AUD) dollars, example e6600 (U.S) roughly $320- thats about 420ish (AUD) over here in the so called lucky counrty $470 (AUD) ...
so now pc new rig is going to be getting a large down grade for the same price :confused: ... so i start to wonder will a 386 realy need water cooling:(
any1 out there want to help me out and order my parts for me and ship them to me :D

Just put together a new WC rig for a friend and noticed the DDC+ he received had a blue impeller. I didn't have a camera with me, but there seem to be some changes to the pcb (startup issues fixed?)and the impeller inlet shrunk.

3rd party tops constructed with a lip torwards the inlet might not work too well with the new impeller.

Hi All

I have an Apogee GT on the way and and have a BIX 3 radiator already here.
As i can get one quite cheap would an Iwaki MD15 go well with these 2?
The plan is then to use the Nautilus on the 1900xt with an MCW60

Many thanks for any inf
Smiffy

My Dangerden MAG II LE arrived yesterday and the first thing I thought was: "holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that pump is small"!!

I installed it and it worked nice :)
I'm now running it on a tempreture sensor, and the MAG II is veryveryvey quie:D:D

I love it

I have a DDC (MCP350) with a 120 rad and was thinking of getting a dual 120mm rad. I noticed the sticky say that a DDC2 is recommended. I really don't have the cash to go out and splurge on a new pump and rad.

The fittings on the ddc are 3/8 and was thinking of just getting a new top with 1/2" and calling it a day. Would come out less expensive, I believe. Was also thinking on Petra's but noticed it said for the 18w model.

What to do! :p:

Call Alex (Petra), the top should fit both no problem, but, verify with Alex, It'll give you that warm feeling, BEFORE you order the top, and he makes the BEST.

I JUST got my Iwaki RD-30 in this am, Sat. am actually, as it's just after 2400. I've got an RD-20 coming also, I've got power supplies enough to power just about anything. I've already Cleaned the 30 out with boiled and cooled Demin. water. and sealed it up, till I use it.

I am trying to find some check valves in 1/2" OD inlet and outlet, if anybody has even HEARD of such a thing that small. I've used check valves a lot in my previous doings, but, they were a LOT bigger. But, I'm playing, (experimenting) with my new pumps, and different ways to run loop/s. Need check valves to do it cleanly and easily. LOW restriction check valves. Never Know, maybe SOMEBODY OUT THERE! PM me, or, just embarass me here! I'm an old guy, I've been called just about everything!

alex = petra? lol just kidding any wya yeah i live near san jose so i can actually visit their store and stuff

anyway isnt P = I x V
http://www.iwakiamerica.com/nav/cm.aspx?cmid=34

according to there,
WMD-20RZ : 115v x 0.53A = 60.95W
WMD-30RZ: 115V x 1A = 115W ...

weird ...
even here suggest that iwaki MD20 uses about 60W
http://www.petsolutions.com/Info.aspx?id=30

so that being case, 60W is not going to pump too much heat to the water?? cuz i was kinda thinking those Mag Drive 700 or Sea Tubo Pump that uses about 70, 80W

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how do u over volt pump?? to 12.8v like he suggest in the 1st post??

Most of the heat in Iwakis ends up in the metal motor casing and not in the polypropylene pump parts. I doubt much of it makes it into the water since metel ---> polypropylene do not thermally interface very well.

Of course, unless you have the pump mounted outside your case, it is going to radiate all that heat into your box.

yeah i dont have a case .. heh , so 60W is not too hot. good.

btw how u over volt laing D5? or any 4pin molex pump?

Whatever you do don't rely on the one that comes with the Theremaltake BIG WATER Crap. It's turned me completely off of Water.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/6.jpg

lol man