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It sure isn't. 37.5% more performance for ~90% price increase over a pair of 8800GTS 512's in SLI on a fairly easy-to-find deal nowadays ($175-180 isn't uncommon), is not a good "bang for the buck" "price/performance ratio". Nice job buying into marketing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
That requires a crappy nvidia mobo though. And then I can't use the PCI slots need.
If those are real benchmarks, the GT200 will be a huge letdown. I can't decide what to get....
dual 4870X2s in quadfire (thats 1920 SPs, 128 TMUs & 64 ROPs) or a single GTX280...
HuH?Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
The MUL was only WORKING ~33% of the time...
Which is why the Flops for the G80 was actually ~346GFlops.
Now you add back in the missing MUL and you "magically" get a 50% increase.
Hmmmm.... not that hard.
That 650 dollar gaming pc must be a true rocker i!f you think it can reach 80%... if you felt insulted sorry for that, but I would like to know in which country you live in as even for my Voodoo 12mb I payed more than 350dollars and that's a long long time ago...if I quickly recalculate that with my salary then and the past money value must be around 450 dollars ...Must be PCwonderland... Secondly noone forces you to buy the latest and the fastest, if you can go with a vidcard for 3 years, good for you...Thirdly some peeps don't want to risk the OC like most of us do and just want the fastest thing out of the box...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
On my part I just sell my hardware to friends and co for a very fair price and just add some to get better hardware just to mess with and bench on... for gaming I could still play on my 7900GTX's at medium and low detail settings if I wanted, but for benching I need more... and as a PC assembler it's nice to show new stuff at LANS and co...
We all noted that you find the price unfair, so be it. No need to hump om each post and rub it in, over and over again... for single card users, these cards might be great if they deliver... no hassles for SLI, can be run on cheapo mobo's, easier cooling setups (thinking of water), etc... Also dual chip or SLI or Crossfire are nice things but can be plagued by bad drivers and for me never ever again after my 7950X2 experience and the micro stuttering issues with my 7900GTX's... I stick with a single card setup for gaming...
Think of me what ya want, I really don't care Tigro... Think the number of post that react on ya statements tell the story... If you calculate everything price/ratio you are in the wrong sector, even when you buy ya pc and walk out of the shop your rig is already dated and/or devaluated...
I live in the U.S., perhaps things are more expensive over in Belgium, I don't know. However, here you can build an 8800GT-512 SLI rig for around $650 without much effort mostly from newegg. Anyone who doesn't calculate price/performance on any purchase, except pure benchers with money bleeding out their ears who care about performance at any cost, is a fool and likely to run into financial trouble as they likely apply it to everything in their life, money be damned. By the way, it's "Tiger," not "Tigro."
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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
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Here's an example build I found and made in five minutes of work, if you wanted to meet my target of $650 you could just drop the CPU to a lower-end dual core and you'd be a scant amount over it with a CPU such as an Allendale for $60-70 oc'd to 3.0ghz or so... this is a quad-core rig with near-GX2 performance, 2GB ram, real motherboard/case/psu/etc., plenty of storage, etc. (hard drive could be shaven down too a few bucks such as a $30-40 200-250gb jobbie). It adds up to $662 with a dual-core CPU, $642 with a smaller hard drive and a dual-core CPU, or as shown $792. So, please try to tell me that for anyone but a hardcore bencher, again that $650 is not a lot for one computer's part?
Q6600 $200 when added to cart http://shop2.frys.com/product/5101696
Motherboard with X-Fi sound onboard $140-30rebate=110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130080
2gb 1-stick RAM module PC2-6400 $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609283
Rosewill case w/ free shipping ATX (non-junky) $39 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147088
Rosewill 550w SLI PSU well-rated on various real review sites $65 shipped http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182090
2x 8800GT 512 video cards in SLI mode, various, example $160-30rebate=130x2=$260 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224
DVD burner, various Lite-On/etc. drives $23 w/ free shipping example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106228
hard drive 500gb 7200.11 Seagate $60 shipped via various specials every week or two at various vendors
We can't do that. I don't know about Belgium, I expect it's similar there and across Europe, but here are some prices for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
http://www.netshop.no/aspx/produkt/p...spx?plid=44579
Q6600 307.909 USD
http://www.netshop.no/aspx/produkt/p...spx?plid=93181
ASUS 8800GT 512MB 277.214 USD for one
That's over 850 dollars for the quad+SLI setup, without even getting into mobo, RAM, case, PSU, DVD, HDD..
Also, the 9800GX2 costs $750 here so I'd expect these cards to debut at something like that as well.
If only newegg shipped here.. Even with the transatlantic shipping and 25% VAT I'm sure it'd pay off, dollar being as low as it is..
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Originally Posted by bowman
Ouch at your prices :(. In the U.S. though, I think my argument holds water... overseas, obviously not.
Why do you think I said PCwonderland :) if I buy a CPU/mobo/Gfx card I'm already at your budget :down: I can assemble an AMD 6000/3870/2GB rig for that money...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
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Originally Posted by bowman
In Sweden you can buy cheap hardware! Norway is the most expensive country in the world, people come from across the border to shop food here in Sweden a lot just to give an example. :up:
That system can be done in the Eu for just about $1000, with higher quality components like Corsair psu, coolermaster case, better ram etc
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/3/home.jsp
http://www.pix.sparky-s.ie/images/sm...qlf8_thumb.jpg
Incredible deal when you think that a Gtx280 will cost €550 here too...
hardwareversand is where its at, Best prices in Europe by miles! The dollar is so weak atm that it makes our prices sound even worse :P
Its very easy to make an affordable (500 euro ~ 780usd) gaming rig in Europe atm
E2180
Cheapo 650 / 750i board for option of SLI upgrade
8800gt
2gig kit of ram
640gig HDD
Corsair VX550
DVD Burner
Crappy
etc
I don't think people were expecting it to be much faster than the GX2 in apps that scale well with SLI. But I'm sure it will be in cases where the 512MB on the GX2 is an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
It's funny how every time a new product is discussed, and 3DMarks leak, people immediately jump to conclusions based on 3DMark, 3DMark hasn't been a real benchmark for years, and the way things are going will never be.
3DMark = no reality benchmark whatsoever.
but it does give you a rough idea where how the performance stacks up on these
Actually the people that claim it means nothing are just as ignorant as the people who use it as a sole performance base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
And actually, it can be used as a good sole performance base, you just have to pay for it to do so. The default settings are low res, no AA or AF.
With the paid version, you can set the quality to highest, put on high res, and use AA and AF. With those settings, it will separate the good cards from the bad ones pretty quick. I am speaking of 3dmark06, have not used vantage.
same story with vantage from what i was toldQuote:
Originally Posted by 003
the lower the settings the more CPU/system intense it is>>> as it goes up to highest settings GPUs take over
I Spec'd a similar system on our website (www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk):Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
Q6600
2x1Gb Mushkin/Transcend
Asus P5N-D (N750)
Coolermaster Elite
550W PSU
8800 GT 512 SLi
DVD-R with Litescribe
500Gb HDD (Samsung HD501LJ)
PCI X-Fi
Price: £645.00 ($1,278) ex. VAT, £757.88 ($1,501.41) inc. VAT @17.5%
Price would include build and testing with Vista 64 and a 3 year warranty.
So yeah, GBP/EUR prices = 2.5-2x USD prices. There was a time when you could get parts from US at USD prices plus shipping but not now that they've tightened up import taxation. I could probably get away with it by having them sent to work as 'samples'.
Again, all mid-range to low end components... :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
You're calling a quad-core rig with equivalent to near-GX2 performance, a "normal" amount of RAM, X-Fi sound, a beefy enough PSU, etc. etc. a "low-end" rig? Ignorant... :rofl::rofl: :ROTF: :shrug: :rofl::rofl: your 10% faster 5x the cost rig doesn't mean something 90% of the performance is "low-end." By your logic, your 10% faster rig is low-end also if that one is because it's not much faster. Two words come to mind about your post: materialistic/gullible.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Tiger, it is obvious that you have something to prove... I suggest that there are better places to do that than this thread. Please go somewhere else to peddle your wares! A thread on the latest and greatest is full of individuals who can't wait to spend top dollar to get the newest thing, myself included. I for one can't wait to get 2 of these in sli driving my 30" Dell!!!
I have nothing to prove, in fact the burden lies on them as accusing someone of being stupid for regarding something as wasting cash to prove it is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
I too am looking forward to the cards and am planning on buying a GTX 280 on its launch. However, that doesn't change the fact that to me, $650 is an ABSURD price for a card regardless and is a trend I hope changes.
People in the thread couldn't stand that I said that and began flinging personal insults, so I proved that it logically makes little sense. Now you and others are being very defensive for no reason, acting as though it's a personal attack on your honor or something like that when it's nothing to do with it.
You guys get far too worked up over this stuff sometimes. :D
Although I guess being passionate about your hardware isn't necessarily a bad thing :up:
I can agree with that :D !Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
The pricing debate here made me curious. The last two cards I have bought before my current one were a Geforce4 Ti 4400 for around $330 and a Geforce2 for just under $300. Here is what I found with some googling. It's called boiling a frog. The Riva 128 could be had for about $130. here you can see the TNT2 Ultra, a summer 1999 refresh of the TNT2 selling on release for only $180. In this firingsquad review you can see that the first geforce cards with DDR ram were selling at $299 MSRP. These were the top end Asus cards at that time (12/99) and Creative was selling a geforce 256 DDR card for $250. Here is a nice comparison chart from tomshardware that gives a good idea for prices at the start of 2000. I still have my Elsa Erazor X2 which was selling for just under $300. Again, state of the art and arguably the best brand at the time. It was not until the Geforce2 Ultra at $500 MSRP that we started to get a hint of current pricing. It was rumoured that such pricing was simply to compete against the $600 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000. and indeed here you can see a geforce3 for $280 (street price) in 09/2001. And by the end of 2001 you can see that the top of the line Nvidia card, the geforce3 Ti 500 had an MSRP of $350. In 2002 the bar was raised again with the geforce4 Ti 4600 selling for just under $400. By summer 2003, we are again back to an MSRP of $499 for the top end card, geforce FX 5900 Ultra. This was replaced in October with the FX 5950, again at the $499 price point. Fast forward to the summer refresh of 2004 and we have the 6800 Ultra at $499 again. Although the non-ultra 6800 GT could be had for just under $400. By the end of 2005 Nvidia is selling the geforce 7800 GTX 512 for $700. And that is the street price at the time. By spring of 2006, the 7900 GTX is released at $499. Then in November of 2006 the ever famous and still king of graphics cards, the 8800 GTX was released at just over $600. So it set a new record for both perforrmance and for cost. Although the 8800 ultra had an MSRP of $829, it soon dropped to about $700 probably due to the fact that no one was buying them. I wonder if Nvidia was testing the waters to see how much people would really be willing to pay for a top end graphics card. It seems like they were trying to go for a similar pricing strategy to Intel, with the fastest product costing a huge premium.