RD600 first look and general questions

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12-19-2006, 05:17 PM
goatboy

What will be bad about using the SB600 controller for RAID, instead of the Promise?
12-19-2006, 05:23 PM
RichUK

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Originally Posted by goatboy

What will be bad about using the SB600 controller for RAID, instead of the Promise?

The difference in performance apparently, since you do actually have a choice between two controllers on this board.

I personally don’t use raid, I have no need for what I use my rig for. I use a single 74GB raptor as the main drive, and a 250 GB sata storage drive.
12-19-2006, 05:29 PM
mesyn191

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Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

Its not software...the SB has raid built into it. It is hardware raid 0, 1, 5

Its hardware RAID like Intel's Matrix or NV's NVRAID 0, 1, or 5, all of em' suck.

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Originally Posted by Joe Bar

Believe me that raid isn't needed for the majority here...

Sheeeeeeeeeeeit most of the stuff that people here use isn't needed _anywhere_, but thats the whole point of this place isn't it?

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Recently, I went from 2x74GB raptor RAID back to single maxline drive and I can hardly see any difference in day to day tasks including gaming and game level loading
Of course, maxtors in general are not very reliable but they are fast and I have only sys, 1 game and some crap there

Sure in benchmarks RAID is better

Which controller were you using though? If it was onboard, then duh, what do you expect? If it was a hardware solution you probably set it up wrong (ie. stripe size...).

FWIW all this stuff and then some has been hashed to death in another topic:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=98643

its got benches and everything, long topic though. Long story short RAID 0 can get you appreciable performance gains if you're willing to throw enough money at it and use hardware controllers with dedicated cache.
12-19-2006, 05:34 PM
phelan1777

I am going to be playing with RAID but doing it right, with an Adaptec Raid card and three 36GB SCSI 15Krpm U160s.

I know I don't "Need" it but I want to play with raid and get to know it vs just reading about it.

And I picked up all the hardware really cheap so its all good.
12-19-2006, 05:48 PM
erwinz

ahh.. i want this board.. :) hehehe :D

:woot:

thanks bingo13.. :rocker: keep it up.. :)
12-19-2006, 05:52 PM
XeRo

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Originally Posted by erwinz

ahh.. i want this board.. :) hehehe :D

:woot:

thanks bingo13.. :rocker: keep it up.. :)

same here. Guess we have to wait until January to order.
12-19-2006, 05:55 PM
rpr

If you can tolerate one more OT question on RAID...how would you characterize Maxtor's 1000GB and 600GB external RAID drives? I have one I haven't hooked up yet (600GB).

Crappy hardware solution?
12-19-2006, 09:08 PM
Kin Hell

Pre Order in the UK

First sighting folks....

OCUK

ETA - January 17th 2007. I can wait some more........ffs! :rolleyes:
12-19-2006, 09:16 PM
XFxGeforced

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

First sighting folks....

OCUK

ETA - January 17th 2007. I can wait some more........ffs! :rolleyes:

dang stupid foreign symbols! :p: I want an american one! i cant wait, still excited that there's no caps near the socket to get in the way!
12-19-2006, 09:58 PM
Kin Hell

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Originally Posted by XFxGeforced

dang stupid foreign symbols! :p: I want an american one! i cant wait, still excited that there's no caps near the socket to get in the way!

...now just where did I read the "American" models have more Caps than Bobby Charlton has had for England! :p:
12-19-2006, 10:25 PM
Cascades

I have performed tests on the Microsoft flight simulator using a single 74GB Raptor -vs- two Raptors in a RAID0 configuration. When loading scenery, there was a consistent and repeatable 12% to 15% increase in speed on the RAID0 array. This was on a FX-57 using a DFI board.

Now, 12% to 15% isn't all that earth-shattering, but it was noticeable. The scenery was smoother overall. Did the RAID0 array make a noticeable different in the business applications I normally use.... not really.

But in the case of flight simulator, there was a difference.

Cheers!
12-19-2006, 10:36 PM
Revv23

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Originally Posted by bingo13

Majority for me in this case would be about 96.46% of the users, take away the professional benchmark gurus, and it might be 99.2%. :D

Anyway, we are still tweaking this board for better memory throughput, but the RD600 is for the most part memory bandwidth starved when compared to the 975X. Some games and 3D apps score great, some do not when benchmarking. We are discussing the memory controller with AMD tonight to see if there are any tweaks left in it. I doubt it as I really believe Oskar maxed the board out. The board has one huge feature, flexibility, but I doubt the board will ever be used for setting benchmark records. However, due to the stability, power consumption, CrossFire performance, and flexibility, it should make for a good mainstream board especially if the price comes down a little.

Thanks for the honest review bingo. It really means alot to me to have someone being honest about a product rather then drooling all over it.
12-20-2006, 01:13 AM
Kin Hell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cascades

I have performed tests on the Microsoft flight simulator using a single 74GB Raptor -vs- two Raptors in a RAID0 configuration. When loading scenery, there was a consistent and repeatable 12% to 15% increase in speed on the RAID0 array. This was on a FX-57 using a DFI board.

Now, 12% to 15% isn't all that earth-shattering, but it was noticeable. The scenery was smoother overall. Did the RAID0 array make a noticeable different in the business applications I normally use.... not really.

But in the case of flight simulator, there was a difference.

Cheers!

Striping any array of Hard drives effectively gives you greater throughput & will always result in faster load times, irrespective of program type. I can't believe I read an earlier post in here saying it isn't really necessary! I really can't stand the Delay you see on Single hard drive Puters after having used Striped Arrays. It's like driving around in a Ferrari for years & then going back to a Fiat 126. Another HOT tip is to put your SWAP file OFF the Boot drive. Heck, Stripe another couple of Drives for FASTER swap file access & make sure you have a PSU that can stand Lots of Hard Drives. HD's EAT PSU's for breakfast!
I'm so glad this RD600 hasn't followed the RD580 IDE RAID issues, cos back a while, I didn't think it was going to make the grade!
12-20-2006, 01:22 AM
Kin Hell

Quote:

Originally Posted by bingo13

Majority for me in this case would be about 96.46% of the users, take away the professional benchmark gurus, and it might be 99.2%. :D

Anyway, we are still tweaking this board for better memory throughput, but the RD600 is for the most part memory bandwidth starved when compared to the 975X. Some games and 3D apps score great, some do not when benchmarking. We are discussing the memory controller with AMD tonight to see if there are any tweaks left in it. I doubt it as I really believe Oskar maxed the board out. The board has one huge feature, flexibility, but I doubt the board will ever be used for setting benchmark records. However, due to the stability, power consumption, CrossFire performance, and flexibility, it should make for a good mainstream board especially if the price comes down a little.

With a £200+ price Tag on Pre-Order & Time delays almost making this mainboard a pice of "Vapoware", users will be expecting a little more than Just a good Mainstream board. After all the Hype over the last 6 months, users are approaching realms & expectencies of this Hardware giving them a blow job! :D

Keep the info coming. We're gagging for it! :toast:
*edit* *pardon the "Phun" ;)
12-20-2006, 06:40 AM
XFxGeforced

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

...now just where did I read the "American" models have more Caps than Bobby Charlton has had for England! :p:

can't tell where you're going with that :p: who's bobby charlton?
12-20-2006, 08:10 AM
Kin Hell

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Originally Posted by XFxGeforced

can't tell where you're going with that :p: who's bobby charlton?

Can't say..it'll be off Topic! :D
But hey, don't you guys have Google in the US? :stick:
12-20-2006, 08:11 AM
AgentVX

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Originally Posted by XFxGeforced

can't tell where you're going with that :p: who's bobby charlton?

GTFO :p:
It's Sir Bobby Charlton btw.
12-20-2006, 08:53 AM
Lestat

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Can't say..it'll be off Topic! :D
But hey, don't you guys have Google in the US? :stick:

screw manchester

just kidding.

if we have learned anything letting a company delay a product usually produces great results, its when companies like Asus shove products into the market before the cpu's are even out, and before proper testing is even done that we have pretty poor products.
Let DFI do their job, and let them produce, FINALLY, an intel product thats worth the wait, the more you rush and ask for it, the more chance they will get rushed from their own management teams to put the unfinished product out the door.

Its actually cheaper for a company to put out an unfinished product and handle RMA's than it is to spend thousands in R&D daily to produce a quality board.
let them do what they do best.
12-20-2006, 09:16 AM
Kin Hell

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Originally Posted by Lestat

screw manchester

just kidding.

if we have learned anything letting a company delay a product usually produces great results, its when companies like Asus shove products into the market before the cpu's are even out, and before proper testing is even done that we have pretty poor products.
Let DFI do their job, and let them produce, FINALLY, an intel product thats worth the wait, the more you rush and ask for it, the more chance they will get rushed from their own management teams to put the unfinished product out the door.

Its actually cheaper for a company to put out an unfinished product and handle RMA's than it is to spend thousands in R&D daily to produce a quality board.
let them do what they do best.

Nicely said! :toast:

It's getting a little alarming at this stage of proceedings to suggest they might be able to squeeze even more out of the Memory bandwidth for this board. I though Oskar University had all this sewn up!?
12-20-2006, 09:47 AM
nealh

Some of this is DFI's doing they said Dec 15..before Xmas...not me

Dont give a date and then let it pass with 0 updates and expect people to be happy

I agree I would rather wait for a finished product than a beta
12-20-2006, 09:54 AM
qdemn7

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Originally Posted by nealh

Some of this is DFI's doing they said Dec 15..before Xmas...not me

Dont give a date and then let it pass with 0 updates and expect people to be happy

I agree I would rather wait for a finished product than a beta

This board has been promised for how many months? 5? 6?

DFI is pulling a Sony, promising something extraordinary, then unable to properly deliver in timely manner. If they didn't produce enough to have them available for sale at launch, then this is a paper launch. The graphics card companies have learned not to do this anymore, and DFI needs to learn this also. I'd have rather they waited until January and had board ready to sell on the day the NDA expired. :slapass:
12-20-2006, 09:55 AM
Driver

300€ Wtf?
12-20-2006, 10:12 AM
OldGuy

No matter how "polished" the board is on release it will never meet anyones expectations and be greeted with a volley of complaints (whether merited or not). I too am disappointed that it hasn't actually appeared for purchase as it would have been a great little project over the Holiday...
12-20-2006, 10:24 AM
Speederlander

This board will never live up to all the hype. At this point, people expect RD600 to do everything short of fixing them dinner and fetching their slippers after work.
12-20-2006, 11:32 AM
XFxGeforced

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Originally Posted by Speederlander

This board will never live up to all the hype. At this point, people expect RD600 to do everything short of fixing them dinner and fetching their slippers after work.

What? they got rid of the best features?

*i too am disappointed that it isnt buyable before xmas. If it is apparently done, then I don't see why they couldnt just release it for us

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