I agree. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Good thread Tony, congrats on your new legend status. :toast:
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I agree. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Good thread Tony, congrats on your new legend status. :toast:
probably best if you get samples to review you get more than one sample and have to report the results for all samples tested ?Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Just so you all know.
CE5 and CE6 Ifineon used in 4000EB, fails at 4000 go to 3700EB but 90% still do DDR500
If you are seeing about 265fsb from CE5 3D stable you are doing REAL well, most will prime and Pi a lot faster but will crash 3d and games, if you losen the timings to 3-4-4 many will see 270+ but the loss of tight latency makes the speed worthless ;) so clock clevor and keep it at 3-3-2 timings.
Well deserved, Tony :fact: :toast:
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Originally Posted by Eldonko
I must have a good set :D Mine are 3D stable for BF2 the game that gives me the most trouble @ 269 1:1 3-3-2-6 :D I play it every night there so maybe others can too, but mine seem to be a good set and they were from the first batch too in Oct of 2005
I am using 2Gb Kit Team Xtreem Cronus 3-3-3-8 PC4000 (Micron) anyone here have some good settings for these guys?
kinda an interesting thread to ask this in, but whatever :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by joek71
some tips:
1. heat matters a lot. keep it as cool as possible
2. more voltage isn't always better.. though optimal seems to vary between sticks, anywhere from 2.6v to 2.9v. just mess around with that and see what works best
3. weak drives seem to be the best in most cases. i like level 5
for timings..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...85&postcount=1
look at the second post
i find these to be optimal for myself:
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_186.png
though, some things to keep in mind:
trrd 2 works well
twr 3 also works well
try twtr 2
some people have said that an ICL of 016 clks helps stability a bunch
Wow I guess I shouldnt be uoset with my cronus as I was earlier, mine do 270 So i guess ill just live with them and shut up now..
Good work tony, honesty is aparently the best policy here at XS..
As for OZZ it isnt ur fault that u got a golden set and showed them to us bro, I would love a set like that and thats why we all jumped on the bus, we all know theres always a chance in overclocking that YMMV depending on the gas :)
thanks... all the whining and complaining from various people definitly got to me though :stick: oh well :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
No one said its your fault. Its the marketing done by the company.
Its very easy to be suckered up into posting about incredible ram, i think many top overclockers will be approached by the new players to help push new product and even by some of the older players too.
OCZ do have a beta team, they are here to show end users what is possible and to give OCZ feedback on new upcoming product. Now i could have all the ram they get cherry picked, this would lead to some awesome threads on various forums that in my opinion would turn real bad once the modules started shipping. For this reason we ship average modules only, overclocking skills come into play which proves the teams worth and you all see results you know are possible if you also buy our product. Now you have to remember some IC's do have weird issues, the CE die has this 3D issue which no prime, Pi, RST pro tester or memtest will show up...it may be related to the dimms density, in reality its hard to point to why but if you remain level headed about your expectations you won't be disappointed with the clocks you get, same applies to this new 4000 Platinum F die.
and even if you didn't, and OCZ posted hand-picked kits, we'd find out about it anyway, and it'd bite you in the bum later ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
maybe it's just me, but let's sorta play out a hypothetical situation that's similar to what's happenened recently:
company A shows a product doing exceptionally well
company B releases an identical product
it is discovered that the kits do nowhere near what company A's test report does. Though, just for kicks, let's suppose (hypothetical here ;)) that company A's sticks are on average 5-10mhz better, despite the misleading initial results.
which do you pick? The ram with better oc'ing, or the ram associated with the more "honest" company?
I know I'd go for the faster ram any and everyday. Image matters a bit, but sheer performance is most important. Above all else, ensure that your sticks are the most innovative and highest performance of them all
That's what he's saying here, "Now i could have all the ram they get cherry picked, this would lead to some awesome threads on various forums that in my opinion would turn real bad once the modules started shipping" :rolleyes: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
In response to the second part, personally it would depend on price. Since I'm a lowly student, I have no source of income and thus would choose whichever one was cheaper. Again that's just personal situation. Now if I had all the money in the world... :rolleyes: But in that case I would just keep buying kits until I found a monster ;)
this just brings tears to my eyes :) ... awesome post there Tony...and a smart move marketingwise - not that I believe that is your primary objective or even fully intentional, but a nice side effect.
Which other manufactures would follow your lead. Thumbs up!
Ok let say Company A's First Lot of Ram Overclocks very well and They HYPE The Hell out of it :D and they sell the First Lot out Really Fast, Then the Second Lot of Ram comes in and does not Run like the First Lot of Ram They HYPED The HELL Out OF ;) Who do you buy from next time ? Company A or Company B that was telling you that you wil not get HTT 300 ? ;)
I think they all have a chance @ going that High but from what i have seen is Most Do Not go that high, So what you end up with is alot of Pissed Off People unless they just want to take the chance and gamble on getting good Ram and there is nothing wrong with that. but i have only seen maybe 2 or 3 people so far go over 290 on these sets so there is a slim chance you mite get a Great Set, But alot are buying these thinking they will get 290 +and that is just not the case.
I think a Company that is saying up Front don't expect these kind of overclocks out of these sets is a Company i would do bussiness with but thats just me ;)
that's also quite a possible scenario too ;) :D
Also OCZ knows a thing or two about making high speed/high clocking ram. So if they can't seem to get much better speeds, then it really does show these chips are nowhere near as good as Micron G chips in terms of overclocks. We've seen the results of the Teamgroup Microns and its safe to say it corresponds to what Tony said. Believe me, if these are wonder chips, OCZ would have shown their results already.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I think Tony did a Great Job here for OCZ, everybody has seen that they sold the same IC's as does team and were thinking maybe we can get the same speeds and if they did not get the same type speeds they would be RMA ing the hell out of them, so i think by doing this it helps stop alot of bad blood with customers and he let them know , Hey this is what we think you should get from them, not that you mite get 290+ but heres the AVE for these IC's.
Nice move up front for OCZ ;) I just wish I had your set of ram :D I would love 290 + on my Opty.
Ozz
I see it like this.
I could run phase on my tests so that i help the CPU clock that little easier, I could always use the best CPU (fx60), i could run cherry modules and proclaim its the best ram since BH5. I could ship 5 kits out and allow the hand picked end users to do the pimping for me, unknown to them i had the kits hand picked for top end speed.
Now, I know we could have inferior IC's,fact is i know we have not. I asked to see the daily test reports from our speed binning dept to see what the ram is doing, so that I could be truthful here and not create further mayhem and piss end users off when they did no where near as good as i did.
Im dead against cherry picking, i can do it just as good as anyone out there, infact i can probably do it better than most but what is the point?
In the end forums are a brutal place, its taken me a long time to master marketing on them, with the most important lesson learn't being respect for end users...without it you have nothing.
im a business major and i know that 1,000 good jobs can all be erased with one oh sh|t, so nice job keeping out of that crap department, the best thing a retail company has is a name, and unfortunatly for team group, they are going to have to start all over in my eyes.
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Originally Posted by Tony
amen man, amen..
and i'm NOT dissagreeing with you here Tony, just trying to offer a different perspective. if you say that you see the speed binning results every day, then i'll definitly take your word for it. F is nowhere close to the performance levels of D and G.. (though users here have already proved this :p:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
just out of curiosity, why did OCZ decide to launch these sticks if it was known from the start that they'd probably do 260-275mhz on average? The IC's seem to be more expensive than the UCCC that often clocks a bit better, and the timings are a wee touch looser (trp at least) than CE which clocks pretty similarly. i'm just :confused: , hopefully for understandable reasons ;)
nice post tony!
I've been beta testing 2 kits from another company currently and their take on this is the same. After the CE6/5 debacle I think most honest companies will take a step back with how products are presented with a realistic approach. Not to say there's been deception from OCZ in past, or in this case Mushkin whom I'm testing for, but it's nice to see OCZ doing a service to the end user in proclaiming realistic results. BTW I have 2 kits in testing and one does 255-260 stable depending on board, other does 270. The TeamGroup I got for review purposes I got to 280mhz.
what makes you think the micron is more expensive than the samsung? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
We prefer to rate IC's by speed at OCZ and not price, that doesn't mean we won't pass savings on to customers though if we can ;)
Then why is the Cheapest Micron sticks I am finding are $250+Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
and yet I can find UCCC Ram for under $190 ?