DFI SLI DR Expert CPU Death Fix

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12-14-2005, 01:09 PM
Calderbrae

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1lk1

Why would they ever admit to anything? It makes no sense. They know they have the market sewn up and there is no other board that offers the options that they do. Who is to say that the end user is not responsible for frying the CPU? If the board is run at stock settings does it fry CPUs? Does it only happen when overclocking? There are far too many variable to even expect DFI to care. I would be more than amazed if they even considered replacing anything. Where are the people who aren't buying DFI boards going to go for a premier overclocking board? You can say you'll never buy one again, and they will not care the least. They care more about the mass market than the individual. If they replace even one CPU for anyone, they will open up a whole new world of lawsuits brought on by every dumbass that cannot set up his PC properly and fries it. It will never happen.

Read the whole thread bud.

This is/was a cold boot issue...nothing to do with overclocking.
12-14-2005, 01:15 PM
xgman

This bios has dissapeared off of the taiwan dfi beta website all of a sudden. Now what's wrong? :rolleyes:

(still on the us site though)
12-14-2005, 02:12 PM
Ryn

It's still on their global site.

http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa...FLAG=B&SITE=US
12-14-2005, 02:23 PM
demonbane23

im running the new bios right now and was finally able to take my opt 170 past 2.6ghz,,, not sure but this bios is working great for me,,, 12/07 bios that is,,,
12-14-2005, 02:35 PM
Hirotaro

Kinda funny => how to flash BIOS without switching on the comp??? Taking out BIOS chip and flashing in CompService is quite expensive and silly...

Or maybe I'll put the CPU from my Avatar fot the first boot => it likes 3 Volts :D :D :D

I did it with my BIOS Savior - flashed on other board :)
12-14-2005, 03:17 PM
keichan82

Can BIOS flash actually increase the overclocking ability?

Also, atacom.com has some Experts in stock. Just picked one up yesterday and the guy said that there were a few more.
12-14-2005, 03:47 PM
LoN3R

Quote:

Originally Posted by keichan82

Can BIOS flash actually increase the overclocking ability?

Also, atacom.com has some Experts in stock. Just picked one up yesterday and the guy said that there were a few more.

simple..yes
12-14-2005, 04:04 PM
uOpt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hirotaro

Kinda funny => how to flash BIOS without switching on the comp??? Taking out BIOS chip and flashing in CompService is quite expensive and silly...

Flash devices are only about $50.
12-14-2005, 05:15 PM
Atomez

I just loaded optimized defaults, winflashed this new bios NF4EDC07, reboot, all goes well.

Then I reload my overclocking settings, reboot and the damn thing does not boot again! Only boots with default settings :mad:

I flashed the original bios NF4EDB02, reload overclocking settings and it boots ok again.

WTF is going on here?

Overclock settings act differently with changed bios?
12-14-2005, 05:22 PM
amrgb

I suppose that when you said you "reload my overclocking settings" you are loading from one of the saved slots. You should NEVER do that, or if you do (I actually do), before hitting F10 check if all the settings are ok. It's usual with different bios to have strange values on some settings (SATA ports, memory settings, etc) when we load setting saved on different bios.

If you actually change the setting manually... well, I don't know what to say.
12-14-2005, 06:25 PM
Atomez

Quote:

Originally Posted by amrgb

I suppose that when you said you "reload my overclocking settings" you are loading from one of the saved slots. You should NEVER do that, or if you do (I actually do), before hitting F10 check if all the settings are ok. It's usual with different bios to have strange values on some settings (SATA ports, memory settings, etc) when we load setting saved on different bios.

If you actually change the setting manually... well, I don't know what to say.

Just tried setting manually and same thing happens... :confused:

thanx anyway
12-14-2005, 06:31 PM
b1lk1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calderbrae

Read the whole thread bud.

This is/was a cold boot issue...nothing to do with overclocking.

I read the whole thread "bud". People are very much overreacting. Cold boot or whatever is causing it is still no reason for DFI to care or want to replace anything. This thread has just added to the hysteria, and not due to the original poster.
12-14-2005, 07:04 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoN3R

why would ya think that most of the things you said can be backed up in a logical manner . i dont think we need any candy coating for anyone ATM

I usually don’t respond to this kinda crap, but there’s no (Candy Coating ) here, just facts... So give us a break and don’t start irrelevant, unsupported bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:….. Like do you even own this board? Go back to “pc-chips” or “jetway” and give us a break!
12-14-2005, 07:07 PM
LoN3R

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

I usually don’t respond to this kinda crap, but there’s no (Candy Coating ) here, just facts... So give us a break and don’t start irrelevant, unsupported bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:….. Like do you even own this board? Go back to “pc-chips” or “jetway” and give us a break!

no , Kunaak was said he didnt want to offend anybody.. look @ the post:banana: , may have been a missing comma that made you interpet it differently
12-14-2005, 07:32 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoN3R

no , Kunaak was said he didnt want to offend anybody.. look @ the post:banana: , may have been a missing comma that made you interpet it differently

I didn't mis-interpret anything....... Look at my post, I’ve been here for years and never contribute to this kind threads. So take a break, if you want to continue this then that’s up to you, but the facts are this mobo is a ROCK and does everything you would expect from a TopEnd board…. It doesn’t deserve uninformed attacks from someone that has no personal experience with it ……. Say goodnight and let this die………

EDIT: flame and curses removed.
-saaya
12-14-2005, 07:56 PM
STEvil

how bout you both calm down?
12-14-2005, 08:02 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

how bout you both calm down?

OK, no problem......
12-14-2005, 08:14 PM
trakslacker

good boys. :)
12-14-2005, 08:23 PM
LoN3R

have it and a ultra d... anywho

EDIT: provoking comment removed
-saaya
12-14-2005, 08:32 PM
waiho2k1

I'm using the new 12/07 bios now, so far no problem
12-15-2005, 01:09 AM
HeavyH20

I think this thread should read, "Life on the bleeding edge". In the PC world, there is a cost to being first on the block. Buggy BIOS revs, voltage issues, and other such items are part of the turf. I think everyone here at XS, in a practical way, is a BETA test user for new PC components. Not only do these new items get used, they get pushed well past intended limits. It is the perfect QA department.

So, the frequency of CPU failures is low, but it affected a few "name brands" in the OC community. These people don't tell 8 or 10 others, like the normal comsumer, but 8 or 10 thousand. Word gets around quite quickly. DFI would be wise to step up to these few individuals and remedy the problem on a case by case basis. No blanket coverage so they get scammed into replacing every fried CPU out there, but look at the select cases where there may be some chance of fault. Seems only fair and practical (preserve reputation) to do so.
12-15-2005, 04:05 AM
Bulldog14

People:

I have been following this discussion VERY carefully from the start. Read Kunaak's post #44 again. It contains some important points that should NOT be underestimated. When cool heads prevail and matters are kept in perspective you might see myself and other company reps more willing to engage themselves on this and other forums in reasonable discussion. Perspective was lost here in a very bad way while for a while.

-DFI Support Europe.
12-15-2005, 04:14 AM
Dissolved

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldog14

People:

I have been following this discussion VERY carefully from the start. Read Kunaak's post #44 again. It contains some important points that should NOT be underestimated. When cool heads prevail and matters are kept in perspective you might see myself and other company reps more willing to engage themselves on this and other forums in reasonable discussion. Perspective was lost here in a very bad way while for a while.

-DFI Support Europe.

Oh yea totaly.
Im not sure if your an offical DFI Rep, But Welcome to the Forums. Im sure your a Daily Reader, But glad to see you finally signed up :toast:
12-15-2005, 04:34 AM
dinos22

hello to DFI rep.............a very rare showing........especially in theads people are reporting problems with your products

while kunaak is obviously trying to be informative and try not look like a :banana::banana::banana::banana: stirrer, he did in fact say something which is very concerning........I don't have any problems with my Expert board but it doesn't mean it won't die on me either because the cause of the problem is unknown..........and if the board does end up frying something no one is going to pick up the bill.........so yes I have reason to be concerned as there are a lot of $$$$ in that system which can vaporise if i push the wrong button?!..!?

Anyways can you tell us what is actually going on and what is DFI suspecting to be the issue here.......There was some speculation about cold boots and taking out cmos battery. There was also talk that replacing chipset paste may kill it............well i can tell you it hasn't killed my CPU or other components in any of those instances yet so i don't think that is the issue. If you guys actually compare notes to end users you will get to the bottom of the problem quicker so it's wise to share..........and yeah you'll have people dropping off or getting upset but hell get used to that........running a business is not all about collecting money ;) ..........if you want to have a truly good name you have to excel in all areas of business......especially after-sales service which affects repeat business.....anyway enough talking start sharing so we can get to the bottom of this pls
12-15-2005, 04:39 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunaak

anyways... to anyone that actually reads my posts.

sorry if I sound like an ass.
I just think alot people are way over reacting here, and some people seem to only be making things way worse then they really are, by adding fuel to the fire...

if I made anyone mad, sorry, but I said what I wanted to say... if you and I disagree, then we just have to agree to disagree :)

good post, and i dont think you upset anybody :)
i disagree about the public statement though, imo they should have made one.
i dont think a statement would have been used by people to bash dfi saying "ha i knew it! the board is flawed!" but would rather calm everybody down.
even if its an issue that only happens on very few boards its important to get the message out to use a new bios. would you want to be the llucky one with one of the few boards that ran into the unlikely circumstances of killing your cpu and later find out the issue was known but was never brought up in a statement? i wouldnt, and im sure nobody else would.

im dissapointed that dfi didnt do this, so lets help dfi and do it for them, thats what this thread is about :)

good job kunaak! :toast:

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