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11-21-2005, 04:03 PM
Revv23

ahmad, perhaps try running gl excess with both programs at the same overclocks?

i.e. 655/639 with both apps?

higher memspeed with loose timing may be favorable in that benchmark.

im thinking memory timings in this card make a huge difference, and choosing the best latency and mhz for best performance is going to take alot of work.
11-21-2005, 04:07 PM
deathman20

Well got 16681 in 03, nearly 1k more points then what I got previously but also my CPU is a 100Mhz more OC'ed since I last tested it.

And of course still 01 is still screwed up for me, go figure got to uninstall that program does me no good.
11-21-2005, 04:49 PM
spajdr

ok so i tried 680/650 and no difference compared 680/800
its basically same, but with ati tool i need to pump more voltage in I/O and memory, so not worth it. Cant even get 9520 again, it just hangs or bluescreen, wow stil randomly hangs, even at 600/1300, others games are fine.
11-21-2005, 05:12 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahmad

Ok, now I am confused :confused:

In ATITool I turned my clocks down to 500 for the memory and kept the core at 655. I scored 20k in gl excess... thats lower than my stock score!!!

Then I rebooted (reset settings and everything), opened up overclocker and clocked the core up to 655 and left mem at default. I scored 23k. Thats 3k higher than ATiTool at identical settings.

But I think I have an idea. It seems that maybe ATITool overclocks different parts of the card and somehow they are both reading the same thing...... W1zzard where the heck are you?

are you sure you also set the mem speed to 500mhz with the overclocker tool? ;)

to me it looks like your comparing your card clocked at different overclocking speeds :D i dont see how using a different tool makes a difference, your running your card at different clocks :D
11-21-2005, 05:21 PM
cantankerous

holy damn saaya you have a lot of posts. lol.
11-21-2005, 05:40 PM
W1zzard

ati's oc tool, ccc and winclk all change the memory timings depending on core clock .. and they relax them BIG TIME in order to achieve those huge overclocks you were seeing .. however performance lacks severly .. i think the high opengl scores are possible because this benchmark is more dependant on raw clock speed.

please note that once you use any of the ati oc tools during a session your timings are relaxed, using atitool after that you still have the relaxed timings .. atitool never touches them
11-21-2005, 06:08 PM
ken

W1zzard, can you please check why I can't OC my Connect3D X1800XT even 1 mhz (core/mem), anything over stock will result in LCD turn into standby mode when I run 3dmark :(

plus the voltage, at startup , Atitool shows 1.275/2.097/2.097 but overclocker shows
1.3/1.8/1.8?

thanx alot :)
11-21-2005, 06:18 PM
W1zzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken

W1zzard, can you please check why I can't OC my Connect3D X1800XT even 1 mhz (core/mem), anything over stock will result in LCD turn into standby mode when I run 3dmark :(

plus the voltage, at startup , Atitool shows 1.275/2.097/2.097 but overclocker shows
1.3/1.8/1.8?

thanx alot :)

start atitool with command line switch /i2c .. then go to settings -> i2c debugger, type S (for scan) .. it should list the devices it finds .. now for every detected one type d <device id> .. for example S finds 4C and 6D, then you D 4C and D 6D and email me the output to w1zzard@techpowerup.com
11-21-2005, 06:32 PM
ken

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

start atitool with command line switch /i2c .. then go to settings -> i2c debugger, type S (for scan) .. it should list the devices it finds .. now for every detected one type d <device id> .. for example S finds 4C and 6D, then you D 4C and D 6D and email me the output to w1zzard@techpowerup.com

have sent you an email with the outputs :)
hope it helps
cheers :)
11-22-2005, 12:04 AM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

ati's oc tool, ccc and winclk all change the memory timings depending on core clock .. and they relax them BIG TIME in order to achieve those huge overclocks you were seeing .. however performance lacks severly .. i think the high opengl scores are possible because this benchmark is more dependant on raw clock speed.

please note that once you use any of the ati oc tools during a session your timings are relaxed, using atitool after that you still have the relaxed timings .. atitool never touches them

Ah! ok. I get it now Thanks for the post man. I noticed ATITool keeps things the way they are after the overclocker does its damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

are you sure you also set the mem speed to 500mhz with the overclocker tool?

to me it looks like your comparing your card clocked at different overclocking speeds i dont see how using a different tool makes a difference, your running your card at different clocks

Default is 500MHz. I changed it with ATITool first to 655/500 (down from 639 mem). But upon reboot its 500/500 default and I just upped core with the Overclocker to 655. I guess that wouldn't reflect the fact that Overclocker itself could be slackening timings (didnt change memory up or down). Hope that makes sense.

But now how do I determine which works better with tighter timings and higher clocks? Other than testing of course :p:
11-22-2005, 02:19 AM
G H Z

Definately worth the wait, good work W1zzard :)

Only problem I am seeing is after a VPU recover/re-boot, I get an error that says "the kernal mode driver does not appear o be running". A re-install fixes this.
11-22-2005, 07:46 AM
Diverge

i ran into some issues that required me to remove/reinstall as well: i tried to run the Find Max Mem option, and it just started to clock down from the default 495mhz of my oem sapphire card. after a while of watching it clock down my memory, i hit the Abort button, followed by the Default button - which crashed my pc. Upon reboot, it wouldn't interact with my videocard anymore, saying it wasn't supported or something like that. i removed/reinstalled it and all was good.

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?
11-22-2005, 08:32 AM
ahmad

Ran the source stress test at 655/783 overclocker got 182.23FPS.

Ran it (same settings) with atitool at 655/639 got 180.32FPS.

But I did have it at 6xAA and 16xAF, so that probably requires more raw power than timings.
11-22-2005, 08:38 AM
spajdr

i tried to get 10000 with ati tool and result? f00ked up windows lol :-)
Now question is what was wrong, PSU, high temp or card limit?
11-22-2005, 08:39 AM
deathman20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahmad

Ran the source stress test at 655/783 overclocker got 182.23FPS.

Ran it (same settings) with atitool at 655/639 got 180.32FPS.

But I did have it at 6xAA and 16xAF, so that probably requires more raw power than timings.

I'm sure if you had the memory @ 650 it would surpase the other easily.
11-22-2005, 08:43 AM
deathman20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diverge

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?

Finding max core and mem doesn't work currently.
11-22-2005, 09:15 AM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathman20

I'm sure if you had the memory @ 650 it would surpase the other easily.

Yeah but thats my current max with stock cooling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

im thinking memory timings in this card make a huge difference, and choosing the best latency and mhz for best performance is going to take alot of work.

Unfortunately. Now all we need is for wizzard to let us change those timings... ;)
11-22-2005, 09:44 AM
cantankerous

AMEN! This is all good but im still hoping for an option to customize our own bios in terms of clocks/timings/volts etc that we could permanantly flash into the card so we don't have to rely on these programs for anything anymore. Just install new drivers as they come out and we are set.
11-22-2005, 11:49 AM
QerryTerry

Hi also have an Sapphire 1800XL but i use WinXP64Pro.
My problem is that i could ATITool only one time through the setup program than it doesn't start anymore. If i click on the symbol nothing happens.
If i uninstall it and let it delete the settings i could it start again through setup - one time.

Is it maybe a problem with Win 64 ?

Thx for this tool ...
11-23-2005, 01:51 AM
mR Yellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by QerryTerry

Hi also have an Sapphire 1800XL but i use WinXP64Pro.
My problem is that i could ATITool only one time through the setup program than it doesn't start anymore. If i click on the symbol nothing happens.
If i uninstall it and let it delete the settings i could it start again through setup - one time.

Is it maybe a problem with Win 64 ?

Thx for this tool ...

So many peeps are having this problem....i had the same prob.
U need to disbale AntiVirus software while installing ATiTool.
That should fix ur problem. ;)
11-26-2005, 04:09 PM
Xyriu

Sorry, I haven't understood, this version of ati tool works for change RAM Voltages ? (for the X1800XL)

Thanks,

bye
11-26-2005, 04:45 PM
spajdr

Xyriu : yes, change ram voltage works with beta 9.
11-26-2005, 09:06 PM
deathman20

Ya ram voltages work, just don't trust OC to read the correct voltages for the ram. And the Core voltage on the OC tool is also off. If it reads 1.25V, its truely 1.225V in ATITool, since its closer to actual voltage. Just so you know.
11-27-2005, 03:26 AM
Xyriu

OK Thank you very much :)

With sotck voltages and VF700Cu I'm @610/640, what's the max voltages I can set for Core/DDR?

Thenks,

bye!

P.S. Sorry for my english (I'm Swiss), this is first time i post here, but I read a lot this forum! ;)
11-27-2005, 08:41 AM
deathman20

Wow thats stock volts! DANG

For voltage depending on temps my guess is that you could get it up to 1.3V Core and 2.2V Mem quiet easily with little heat issues. But take the voltage up slowly, sometimes big jumps can give you a hard lock quicker then you can say :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

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