AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

Despite the "3rd letter encodes power" garbage, it appears the pictured part was a 35W part, not a 25W part.

But we are due to get 25W 1.8GHz and 35W 2.0GHz in Q1! Rev E, SSE3, 754!

x86-secret has the scoop:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...3D848&lp=fr_en

At a few days of the official advertisement of the AMD Turion 64 (probably in CeBIT), we could get complete information to us on this new processor. Intended to compete with Pentium M in the field of the portable PC, Turion 64 is in fact only one version "Low Voltage", consuming less, of Athlon 64. Thanks to the process 90nm, AMD can thus lower the supply voltage of its Athlons and offer of CPUs Mobile not exceeding 35 Watts, or 25 Watts according to versions'. Equipped with the revision E of the core K8 (having the SSE3), Turion 64 will be equipped with 1 Mo of L2 mask and the support of the DDR400 on only one channel. Let us see the roadmaps and the frequencies of launchings:


http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/news/q105/table.png

First thing, AMD gives up here P-rating of the type "3200+", but adopts a new notation. This time, one speaks about "Turion 64 ML-30" or "Turion 64 MT-28". Ml indicating a CPU consuming 35 Watts maximum and MT, 25 Watts. The following figure being a kind of P-rating, based on the frequency and the size of the mask. Turion 64 MT-30 will function, for example, to 1.6 GHz and will be equipped with 1 MB of L2 mask. This lucky find marketing probably will muddle still a little more the purchasers, who had already extremely to make with the Processor number INTEL and P-rating of AMD. Limited to 2 GHz for the version 35 Watts and 1.8 GHz for the version 25 Watts with launching, Turion 64 should gain 200 MHz per quarter until A the end of the year.

thx for the infos! :)

the naming of the cpus is kinda lame imo, trying to make them look really powerfull, mt-37 is obviously supposed to look close to a 3700+ wich is a joke with 2ghz 1mb and only single channel memory :/

depsite the naming of those cpus they look very very promising though, this is a great upgrade option to 754 users extending the life of that plattform for several years! :banana:

they wont become the overclockers choice as the mobile barton and mobile clawhammer chips though i guess... current chips can already to 2ghz with 1v, i wonder why amd i going for 1.2-1.35v :confused:

I'm not sure they are supposed to look like anything, really.

They need some scheme that is reasonably short, but allows for two different power ratings, yet indicates the direction of increasing performance.

And most people will be comparing them against Dothans. In that sense, it is actually interesting that the model schemes no longer bear any resemblence to one another.

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Originally Posted by MrQ3W

What are you waiting for? overclock it more!

PS. my 3000+ does 2GHz at 1.0V too. :D

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Mine 2 , and windows prisntscrntable with < 1v :banana:

How could I calculate the wattage of my CPU? Mine is prime stable at 2'1GHz 1'1V with and XP90 and I haven't tried harder (will do soon).

http://img209.exs.cx/img209/9007/21ghz112v0oi.th.jpg

The cpuz verified screen doesn't say the voltage :(

I hope Turion get 3.3GHz on air overclock.

:banana: :banana: :banana:

hmmm, tell me how can that processor be overclocked with lesser voltage? what causing that? why will AMD sell them with higher voltage?

do you think this can beat Dothan?

I think there is a little cheat! First of all, please, look at the OPN number. It is TMDML30BKX5LD, but sys112 said that was AMD Turion 64 2800+ processor operated at 1.6GHz. I think we have the real AMD Turion 64 ML 3000+ 1.80GHz processor. According to OPN number (that is real) the processor has a default core voltage of 1.350V (letter K). Now take a look at cpuz screens. What do we see? We see that the processor operates at 1.6GHz with 1.400V core voltage. I think this is too high for the mobile 0.09 u 1.60GHz processor.

Its 1.6Ghz with 1Mb of L2 cache VVJ not 1.8Ghz

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Originally Posted by Napoleonic

hmmm, tell me how can that processor be overclocked with lesser voltage? what causing that? why will AMD sell them with higher voltage?

do you think this can beat Dothan?

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maybe because it was in a desktop board with better cooling. lower temps -> higher oc at the same vcore or lower vcore for the same oc
and this might be a good chip, maybe the average turion cpus only run that clockspeed with a higher vcore with laptop heatsink... and dont forget that they always leave some headroom in clockspeeds as well to make its always stable.

and last but not least i really think that amd managed to get more out of their chips then they expected! they seem to run much better with lower volts than amd probably thought they would when they came up with the specs of the turion plattform. :)

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Me needs to subscribe to this thread :)

Perhaps this will prlong S754 even further. I cant imagine what it would be like with a 35W 2.4ghz mobile with 1 meg of cache. On phase it should clock to increible heights

hopefully the board support is there for Turion 64 ... might have to rethink 939 purchase if they still will have decent 754 chips out. Also can we confirm AMD wont bring 939 to the notebook? Isnt sempron going 939 sometime in the future?

im thinking that if i buy a cheapo a64 laptop now then i can get a turion and replace the newcastle :) thats if a bios is released to support the turion on mobile motherboards.

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Originally Posted by VVJ

I think there is a little cheat! First of all, please, look at the OPN number. It is TMDML30BKX5LD, but sys112 said that was AMD Turion 64 2800+ processor operated at 1.6GHz. I think we have the real AMD Turion 64 ML 3000+ 1.80GHz processor. According to OPN number (that is real) the processor has a default core voltage of 1.350V (letter K). Now take a look at cpuz screens. What do we see? We see that the processor operates at 1.6GHz with 1.400V core voltage. I think this is too high for the mobile 0.09 u 1.60GHz processor.

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No, the ML-30 is the 1.6GHz 1MB L2 35W part.

The MT-30 is the 1.6GHz 1MB L2 25W part.

He just didn't know the new official name, and went with the old PR rating for a 1MB 1.6GHz part, which was 2800+.

oh yeah... any sponsors :slobber: :slobber:

terrace215,
I think you are right! By the way, that BIOS doesn’t support AMD Turion 64 processor, because BIOS must name it by AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-XX where XX is a model number.

Yes it looks like (at least) CPU-Z couldn't decode it. Maybe he had to guess and set the voltage manually?

3.3ghz would be nice!

Are all revision E's going to be that seemingly overclockable or is this just a Turion thing?

All E stepping CPUs should overclock like mofos.

42s at 2ghz for an a64 (which is what the turion is loosely based around, i assume) isn't all that good. Is it?

Still 2 ghz on 1v is bloody impressive. That must run very cold indeed. How high has it been clocked with higher voltage?

42s at 2ghz...doesn't sounds all that bad to me, single channel

jjcom

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=65
take a look there, I know not the same platform, but good comparison IMO

guys vcore WILL BE LESS THAN 1.25V! my 35w newcastle mobile has 1.25vcore at 1.8ghz. these are 90nm so there will be a vcore drop, also there are 25w parts. im thinking 1.1vcore.

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Originally Posted by saaya

maybe because it was in a desktop board with better cooling. lower temps -> higher oc at the same vcore or lower vcore for the same oc
and this might be a good chip, maybe the average turion cpus only run that clockspeed with a higher vcore with laptop heatsink... and dont forget that they always leave some headroom in clockspeeds as well to make its always stable.

and last but not least i really think that amd managed to get more out of their chips then they expected! they seem to run much better with lower volts than amd probably thought they would when they came up with the specs of the turion plattform. :)

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Saaya , ull be surprised how many winchesters are stable while undervolting. I myself have owned two winchesters , a 3000+ and a 3500+ , both were stable at 1.158 V and 1.2 V respectively . By stable I mean any given benchmark , 3d or prime95 or S&M or stresscpu. They were completely stable at stock speeds.
I undervolt my processor as a part of my burn-in process , thanx to Sentinel who has posted in this very thread and whose burn in guide is posted over at OC Forums. I have had many pms requesting me to make a burn in guide and I am currently working on one. I hope Sentinel doesnt mind , its basically his concept which has worked great for me till now . :toast:

But the thing is that at the same voltage 90nm runs cooler. So the voltage won't need to be lower than the Newcastles to have the same 35w rating. According to the OPN, it's 1.35v. I'm not sure about the voltage on the 25w chips yet.

Also, I contacted an online store about these Turions, and one of the sales staff mentioned they have one MT-30 in stock. My reaction was: :eek:

I'm not sure if it's a sample or what. If he is allowed to resell it, though, I'll be sure to buy it. At the least I'm going to have him send me the OPN so we can find out what voltage these 25w chips are rated for.