macci, that's just so cool!!!!! wish there'll be chipset for dual channel Dothan rig, that'll increase the total performance overall....
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macci, that's just so cool!!!!! wish there'll be chipset for dual channel Dothan rig, that'll increase the total performance overall....
There will be, read onQuote:
macci, that's just so cool!!!!! wish there'll be chipset for dual channel Dothan rig, that'll increase the total performance overall....
Second half :Of course, it took an eternity and a half to bring the old chipset on a desktop, lets hope itll be quicker this time around.Quote:
Intel’s code-named Alviso core-logic is expected to support dual-channel DDR2 SDRAM memory to improve performance tangibly compared to current mobile platforms. Additionally, certain incarnations of the Alviso are likely to feature 533MHz processor system bus to partner with the upcoming Intel Pentium M “Dothan” processors that will get PSB boost late this year.
that's getting better!
probably have like 18 x 133 = 2.4gHz...
Dual channel DDR2 will be a bit strange, though with such a mem b/w starved CPU!
Why don't they go directly FSB200? FSB133 + DDR2 seems a bit odd, no?
The Pentium M isn't meant to be a high preformer. So intel sees no need to move the FSB so quickly.
jjcom
gosh... intel is going to milk away as much money from the pentium 4 line as possible before they have to go with the dothan architecture for desktop arent they? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
i am a big intel fan, but i think in order for intel to keep up with amd's fx line, they needs to bring some high powered dothans to the table, with today's technology. they need to implement 64 bit, HT, dual channel, onboard memory controller, and a 200 to make this monster, a terrifying beast. (atleast for AMD)
Pemtium M can't use HT. The pipeline/ the way it excicutes insturctions wouldn't benefit. 64bit would be nice...on die memory controller would be nice aswell. dual channel...and why just a 200mhz FSB? Intel just debuted with 266mhz so why not go there :D clock the Dothan up to 2.4ghz or so, then AMD might take a bigger notice
jjcom
So what kind of waterblock would fit on these boards? And would 2.5g A64 to 2.5g (hopefully) dothan be a worthwhile upgrade or are the A64s still better for 3d?
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Originally Posted by afireinside
Well by Macci's SS it performs on par with my old, non-tweaked, 8month old install of xp Athlon 64 rig (see sig, no prommy at the time, just water). I had 10mhz on him thou, not sure how big of a diffrence 10mhz makes.
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Dothan at 2.4GHz (SC RAM at 213MHz) w/ stock video card hits an amazing peak FPS of 730FPS
Perkam
I'd stick with the A64. The Dothan seems to be about equal to the A64 in games, but in other apps...I don't know to me it doesn't seem quite as fast
jjcom
OK!!! Seriously JJCOM, we're trying to encourage ppl to discuss Intel stuff here on this forums. Its comments like that are reason whyc you find:Quote:
I'd stick with the A64. The Dothan seems to be about equal to the A64 in games, but in other apps...I don't know to me it doesn't seem quite as fast
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Seriously..."I'd stick withe A64" isnt the solution to ALL our problems. Though I wouldnt mind a good Dothan vs AMD thread, but Dothan is still like pc-2700 non dual channel so its crippled...at stock though :D
Perkam
yeah, I'm saying right NOW. Now say once Intel gets a dual channel chipset out...well I think you know my opinion will be changing. Right now, like you said the Dothan is slightly crippled so once Intel gets their latest chipset out for the Dothan with the DDR2 RAM and dual channel etc then we'll start seeing some really nice benchmarks. Super Pi is good now...just think of what it'll be with dual channel...:eek:
lol 50 people viewing...I look in the Intel forum and I post things that have to do with Intel, unless it makes more sense to post something else. Such as when someone says something about moving to AMD I tell them to start a thread in the AMD section. So I try to keep AMD in the AMD and Intel in the Intel. In this case, I just gave my opinion, no more no less.
jjcom
I'm with you there.Quote:
So I try to keep AMD in the AMD and Intel in the Intel.
And yeah, the speculation over the Dual-Channel PCIe chipset has been mounting but Intel hasnt shown any enthusiasm or seriousness towards porting, if the term can be used, to the desktop mobos. There isnt a market currently for the DC Dothans because YES they can serve as EXTREMELY good ocers, but it would take attention away from what it stubbornly wants to be its biggest cash cow: the LGA775 architecture.
Perkam
I'm going to talk to my sales manager monday and see if we can get the aopen board (aopen reseller) and a donthan to play with.
This is a 1.8GHz Dothan on an Aopen 855gme board.
I wasn't able to get above 2.2GHz. raising the vcore from 1.3 to 1.45 volt didn't help :(
multis are open from 6 to 18
you need to run high mhz on your memory or the dothan won't be that fast. :(
1m: 34sek @ 2170mhz
http://www.mitglied.lycos.de/kryotech/Bilder/pi2.jpg
Yeah I know, its too bad Intel doesn't reliase how big of a market a 2.2ghz or more Dothan would have. I mean, the Pentium M has a wattage of around 21W on a mobile platform. Intel wouldn't need to worry as much about having a too high wattage. then again, they've got Prescott. lol If Intel would put the Dothan in a form that it could be used on a 865/875 chipset...just think. Dual channel DDR400. 800mhz FSB..lol but Intel would have to give us something that we want. In Intel's eyes, this is a sin and cannot be done. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
jjcom
Yeah that would be nice. but I think something has just been proven. the Dothan isn't some kind of world ending overclocking chip. Since whats his name could only get to ~2.2ghz.
jjcom
EDIT: KT880 or what ever, why did you sign as "jjcom" you also used me as a referal...did you want that name or something????
Is'nt the multiplier adjustable downwards or am I missing something? all Dothan benchmarks I've seen untill now (except these) the author have lowered the multiplier and it's a default feature of the bios or software!...
"To equip overclockers with the best platform to work with, DFI's new Pentium M desktop motherboard boasts a robust BIOS that is packed with optimization options at the widest ranges. Advanced BIOS features include adjustable CPU clock (100 to 250 MHz), adjustable CPU ratio (6 to infinite), adjustable FSB to memory ratio (1:1, 4:3, 5:3), asynchronized PCI/AGP modes (33/66, 36/73, 40/80), and built in stability testing for both memory and CPU."
Soruce: http://www.dfi.com.tw/Press/press_he...33.jsp&SITE=NA
The Aopen utillity- look in lower right cornor: http://219.113.251.125/c-board/file/...478.84_x15.png
Source: http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43817
It would'nt be odd if the CPU ratio is changeable. It should be some kinda speedstep and 855 does support speedstep.
But maybe I'm wrong :( ?
The Aopen board supports a kind of speedstep. i havn't tested it.
mutliplyer is adjustable from 6 to the max of the cpu.
a 2 ghz dothan would have adjustable multiplyers from 6 to 20
Hmm.. I don't think we are looking at the same data.. In 2001SE the only numbers we got showed us a HUGE potential in the Dorthan, as it smashed a winchester clocked 400MHz higher!Quote:
Originally Posted by WesM63
And then there is SuperPI, where barely 2200MHz gives you 34s! No ordinary Athlon64 can match that performance clock per clock, or else my friend, who gets 35seconds with his A64 NC @ 258x10 1:1 (2.5-4-4-7), has some sort of problem :p:
Depends on where you look...and I have a hard time believeing that a 2.4ghz Winchester vs 2ghz Dothan....Dothan just doesn't seem like the winner
jjcom
I stand corrected, I missed macci's second post and was only going by his first post, where my statement is true.
I have neither a NC or Winner, that was a CH. (NC's need 2-300mhz on a CH to be comprable in Spi.)
The DOTHAN architecture is obviously MORE POWERFUl than A64, possibly even FX. I mean, check it out: if A64 with Dual Channel, DDR400, @2.2gHz++ barely beats DDR400 Single channel Dothan and still gets its azz handed to it in the CPU intensive Lobby/Car hi.... what's that tell you? If Macci can get Dothan to run like an old P4a, meaning get it up to about 200, using 3:4 divider to jack the mem speed up to 266mHz @ about 3.0+ on phase change... it will SLAY 3.2gHz FX's....
Charlie starts calculating how much $$ to sell his K8N Neo2/K8NS/2800+ to buy Dothan/DFI
yeah the Dothan does have a more powerful arcitecture. I'm just afraid what it will do once it spreads its wings....DDR2-667...:eek:
jjcom