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It depends on if that dude is really a chick and if he/she has hairy nipples under that jacket.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
colin, what happened to your board in your sig? you have no board that can go higher than 260fsb? :stick:
its easy, just set it to 3-4-4-8, if it boots its not bh5, bh5 wont work at cas3...
and to be 110% sure you can check how high it overclocks with 2.7v and 2.5-4-4
bh5 wont oc very high with only 2.7v, no matter what timings.
and to be 1000% sure you should take off the heatspreaders.
tbh im kinda confused as to why you havent checked this to make sure that its tccd :confused: and what does your mushkin contact person say? is it tccd or bh5/bh6?
sorry to bring this to you guys who ordered this stuff already, but this mushkin memory is very likely NOT tccd!Quote:
In the end the memory was able to do a respectable 226 MHz with 2.8V, while maintaining 2-2-2-5 timings. Loosening those timings to 2.5-3-3-6 allowed us to push the motherboard to 232 MHz.
tccd will never max out at 230mhz with 2.8v and 2.5-3-3 timings... the best tccd ive seen was able to hit 300mhz with 2.5-3-3 timings and 2.8v and the worst probably around 260 or 270!
colin, seriously, you should have known better...
if your an expirienced reviewer you should have realized that this is most likely not tccd memory but bh5/bh6 memory or micron memory.
ok, now there are two possibilities:
this is a stick of bh5/bh6 wich means mushkin tried to fool people to buy their new memory wich is NOT bh5/bh6 :slapass:
or: (rather probably) this memory is based on new micron chips, the same that the crucial ballistix uses, OR some other memory... but i dont know of any other memory than runs 2-2-2 to that speeds.
the highest crucial ballistix ive seen was around 240 2-2-2, so maybe this was a "engineering sample" stick with the latest and greatest micron chips that hit 255mhz with enough vdimm...
but its 99% sure that this is not tccd... unless its some new wonder stepping samsung just released that runs better with low latencies but doesnt scale with cas 2.5 anymore... :D
please report your retail results everybody!
this is a very weird move from mushkin, as their original level2 v2 was tccd memory... and now they dont change the revision name but give their sticks new memory chips? kinda confusing imo...
colin, can you please take the heatspreaders off or make a pic or take a peek and tell us whether the sticks use micron ic's?
if not then its probably bh5/bh6 and muskin did something really really stupid by relabeling them as level2 vs sticks and sending them to a reviewer.
and ryan, do ocz sticks use some sort of overvolt protection?
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Originally Posted by saaya
then how do you explain the TCCD reff number and the volt limiter?
i dont care about some numbers printed on a piece of paper ;)
those numbers can always be wrong, may it be by intention or by accident.
results never lie! period.
and ive not seen any tccd that bmaxes out at 230mhz with 2.5-3-3 timings!
and looking at the 2-2-2 results it should rather be very very good tccd and oc even higher than most tccd sticks with 2.5-3-3 and 2.8v
and what volt limiter?
so let me ask you, what makes you so sure that it IS tccd?
That is a good point, most tccd at 2.5-3-3 will do at least 260mhz. But will BH5 do that speed(226) with only 2.8v? I can give mine 3.6v at 2-2-2-6 1T and it craps out at 235mhz. 2x512 mushkin Bk lev2Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
as for the volt limiter, he was saying that Mushkin and geil don't have volt limiters on their tccd.
somebody get to the bottom of this!
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Originally Posted by saaya
uh... have you been going nuts lately saaya? thats alot of conspiracy theroies there.
its mushkin V2. why would mushkin purposfly send out bh-5 in place of tccd? it doesnt make any sense as most reviewers dont have the balls to give tccd anything over 2.9v so it just doesnt make sense. and corsair has admitted the have a voltage regulator on there XL and im sure ocz does as well. but mushkin doesnt. so when you raise the voltage the chips are actually recieving it. when there is a voltage limiter the extra volts are turned into heat before the volts reach the chips.
and no its not micron. the ballistix line uses the same chips as EB does except a different rev. thats why EB was discontinued because micron didnt keep selling them to ocz because they realized the potenial. so why would they turn around and sell these to mushkin? why sell good ram chips to a competitor if you dont have to? it doesnt make any sense.
and why would mushkin send micron based ram(if they in fact did have any) and say it was tccd knowing how many reviewrs remove the heatspreaders?
one thing your whole theory doesnt explain saaya is how he got the same results with pqi tccd?
but if colin thinks its a good idea i could try the ram or someone else or something. you guys dont seem to trust him. i do.
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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
I trust Colin too, but what about the ram only going to 2.5-3-3 at only 232mhz? That's the part that doesn't add up. TCCD will do at least 250-260mhz at those timings.
Notice the athlon test was done on a board that doesn't even have working agp/pci locks! WTF?
PCStats Test System Specs:
System 1 System 2
Processor:
AMD Athlon64 3200+
Intel Pentium 4 2.4C
Clock Speed:
10 x 200 MHz = 2 GHz
9 x 227 MHz = 2.04 GHz
12 x 200 MHz = 2.4 GHz
12 x 240 MHz = 2.88 GHz
Motherboards:
Asus K8V DLX, K8T800
ABIT IC7-MAX3, i875P
Videocard:
Asus Radeon 9800XT
ATi Radeon 9800XT
Memory:
2x 512MB Corsair TwinX3200XL PRO
2x 512MB OCZ PC3200 Platinum Limited Ed.
2x 512MB Mushkin PC3200 LII V2
Hard Drive: 40GB WD Special Ed 20GB WD HDD
CDROM: MSI X48 CD-RW/DVD-ROM NEC 52x CD-ROM
PowerSupply: Vantec Stealth 470W PC Power & Cooling 510W
Software Setup
WindowsXP Build 2600
VIA 4in1 4.51V
Catalyst 4.8
WindowsXP Build 2600
Intel INF 5.02.1012
Catalyst 4.8
Benchmarks
maybe the tccd is the mobile or low power version thats referenced in the links i posted?
i remember when corsairs XL first came out. anything over 250 was looking very good. Unless it was TCCC and not TCCD on release some of them wouldnt even do 250mhz however i dont think ive every seen anything lower than 240.
I just sent an email to Mushkin directly and posted this thread and a link to the PC stats review. Hopefully they'll come out and make a statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mongoose420
yeah i shot him a email to see if he is going to rip theose HS off.
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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Yeah, Colin rip those hs off so we will end this madness!
lately? a lot of conspiracy theories? what else are you talking of?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
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Originally Posted by saaya
to me it makes more sence than tccd running at 255mhz with 2-2-2and only 230mhz 2.5-3-3 with 2.8vQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
why dont they clock to 260mhz with 2.5-3-3 timings and 2.8v then?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
i know...Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
maybe to fool people to buy their new memory? or it was just a misunderstanding... no matter what two of this was true, im sure we will hear it was the latter :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
so? tccd scores very well with 2-2-2 latencies, as good as bh5 afaik, so that doesnt prove anything at all. you cant say what ic's a stick uses just from looking at the sandra scores...Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
who said i dont trust him?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
i just think it was a bad idear to post this article that def makes many people buy the new muskin memory if he doesnt even know if this is retail memory.
the retail memory uses tccd, this stick performs like its very very likely NOT tccd, and playing with it he should have easily found out abou that.
i think it was not very smart to post an article like this as it will probably hurt his credibility if it turns out it wasnt tccd memory. im sure mayn people will be not very amused finding their tccd mushkin crapping out at around 220-230mhz instead of the 255 he reached with that "tccd" memory.
heheh sent him the same email 5 mins ago :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
the whole thing sounds fishy to me. It's really the part about the ram not going past 232mhz at 2.5-3-3. That part really makes no sense. I will deff. take the heatspreaders off when it comes and post some pics. It should be here early next week. Did this ram just come out? There must be someone on this forum who has the retail sticks.
well i hope for my sake these are tccd which i believe them to be. then they will be selling like hot cakes. this could be make or break for mushkins new mem.
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Originally Posted by trans am
even if it doesnt, you still got some nice tccd either way. :banana:
no, this muskin level2 v2 stuff is out for some weeks already, and the sticks i heard about were just plain tccd sticks and didnt perform any better than other sticks, but that was just in 2 reviews i saw...
thanks for the reassurance. I really wanted the best TCCD money could buy. I was looking at all the TCCD that had the Brainpower pcbs. I was about to order the Gskill 4400 2.5-3-3-7 when I saw this thread. I hope I did the right thing. It was a hasty move and through my experience Haste=waste. I hope this doesn't prove that in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=346393
hmmmmmmmmm this one is def tccd... performs just like any decent tccd memory...
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Originally Posted by saaya
im thinking it like this. it was crappy tccd that wouldnt be stable at 2.5-3-3 like ive heard from others with crap tccd. but when he forced the volts to it since it has no volt regulator like other ram the tccd got a full dose of 3.4vdimm and shot up.
http://www.nascar.eclipse.co.uk/mushkin246.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
HHMMMMMMMMMM?
nah dude, your hoping for that ;)
you want it to be great stuff, but i doubt it is really that great... looking at all the different tccd stuff there is really no difference... they all perform almost the same...
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...3&page=3&pp=15
look on page 3, a guy posted a screenshot of his memory doing 246mhz 2-2-2, but im sure his is with bh5.
i really hope your right actually, and this memory is for real! :D
but if not, SHAME ON MUSHKIN! for this... "misunderstanding" :stick:
nobody though has pushed high unregulated vdimm thru tccd before so we dont know how it acts.