OCZ DDR Booster @ excaliberpc

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Originally posted by Lithan
Before I saw the price I shrugged my shoulders and figured it was just so people wouldn't have to bother. But people are paying $70 for something that could not possibly have more than $10 in parts, I can't see why anyone would when we have forum members who do vmods for the cost of shipping.

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So who is to blame for the just under $60 price tag? Do we blame the retailers for gouging? OCZ for making there cut?component suppliers? PCB maker? Shipper? OCZ has already said $49, expected street price less.. So right now, everyone with stock is doing as they all do... Supply and demand....

BTW, The LED Driver alone is around $6.00 in 100 lot, larger quanity will get it down a bit, but not that much, cost is probably somewhere closer to $15....

Hell-Fire no longer mods for shipping cost, and I'm not aware of anyone else doing so.. And to be Honest I think he should of quit the freebies long ago, but he is the one setting the value on his time.

Plug and play is probably the biggest advantage....

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Originally posted by Lithan
When someone says a reason for buying is that it maintains their warranty, that irritates me. Why? Firstly it is causing resellers and Manufacturers alike to become nazi'esque in their RMA procedures, which screws everyone. More-over, the people I imagine buying this product are the same people who fill newegg's refurbs with radeons shorting on a lifetime's supply of AS3 stuffed under the BGA chips and gpu. They are the people who burn up caps on motherboards with their idiocy and cost me rma shipping when I have to return their boards. They are the people who kill their hardware then sell it on ebay as "worked when pulled, as-is".

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I don't disagree here, but your voice, nor mine, will have ANY effect on dishonest members, here or on Ebay....

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Originally posted by Lithan
The number one advantage of this product is that it leaves no trace behind. That is what will sell it to most people, and that winds up screwing the honest people who know what they are doing in the end.

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Do you actually think soldered wires, make any difference to dishonest people? Do you really think that someone who fried the motherboard shorting a connection, or lifting a trace, will be any slower to RMA than if they had used the Booster? You at least insinuate you have the skill to do your own mods, so with your knowledge, would you have any problem doing mods (or removing) in such a manner as to have a problem RMA'ing?

Most places simply don't have the resources to look that closely at return merchandise.

Sure it does make it easier, but how many times have you seen a mod mentioned as "Easily removable" Just don't think its going to be as big a deal as you seem to think it will be...

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Originally posted by Lithan
Look at all the disadvantages already found with this product. It's bulky, hot, and the compatability list is about twenty boards long.

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Actually its relatively small, and with a little additional thought could be made to reside in the same size, or smaller package as an actual memory module. Heat can be managed, as most here are well aware of. compatibility list? 20 boards? That list will certainly grow, what do you expect OCZ to test every DDR board in existence? Its not the first time Beta testing, and compatibility have been left to the end user.

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Originally posted by Lithan
Can you explain why it's constantly out of stock?

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Do you think 300-400 units worldwide is enough to supply the initial interest?

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Originally posted by Lithan
Sure a few experienced users just want to save the time of doing the mod when they are testing out boards. But that doesn't account for how fast these are selling. The only market large enough for this are the people who DON'T know what they are doing and buy this figuring that even if it kills something they can just RMA it and no one will be the wiser.

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So your saying, the majority that purchases this are DISHONEST, thieves who mainly want a worry free way to fry hardware:rolleyes: :stick:

How about a beer guys? :toast:

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Originally posted by Jeff
How about a beer guys? :toast:

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LOL, I respect Lithan, just don't always agree with him:D

There's one other advantage yet to be shared. Anytime we get a new mobo on the market, we have to wait until one of the genius's around here figures out the vdimm mod.

I don't spend much time on actually soldering as I do waiting for a mod to show up and then trying to find where that thread exists. Sure seems a lot easier to just plug-and-play and not waste time looking for vmod threads.

Not to mention, how many times have you looked over a vmod thread, memorized the soldering points, but when your computer was apart and soldering iron was in hand you were saying to yourself, "Oh crap, Was I supposed to solder leg 8 or 7?!"

Time = $$$

This booster saves time, therefore it saves $$$ :P

Does anybody know if they sell any in Canada? I was about to finalise my purchase at excaliburpc, but then I saw how much the shipping charges would be. Around $30 - $40 US just to ship that little thing across the border? Pffft, whatever.

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Originally posted by Kalway
Time = $$$

This booster saves time, therefore it saves $$$ :P

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I paid $53 for my K8N Pro :D While popping a $60 booster in a memory slot might save time ... soldering a piece of wire to two points sure was a lot cheaper . And heck, way more fun ;)

But I can understand keeping one handy if you go through a lot of boards, just swappin it to the next one... would be pretty useful.

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Originally posted by Karnivore
So who is to blame for the just under $60 price tag? Do we blame the retailers for gouging? OCZ for making there cut?component suppliers? PCB maker? Shipper? OCZ has already said $49, expected street price less.. So right now, everyone with stock is doing as they all do... Supply and demand....

BTW, The LED Driver alone is around $6.00 in 100 lot, larger quanity will get it down a bit, but not that much, cost is probably somewhere closer to $15....

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I don't know about the specific LED screen. But I've seen LED screens selling for less than $2 each in Quantity 1, so I don't know why they'd be buying $600/100 ones. While I do think OCZ and resellers are gouging on the price here, I can't fault them for it, as you said, supply and demand. My point is that the price will make persons who have the knowledge to use this device properly turn it down and simply continue to VMod, which means the target market isn't people who can and will use the product responsibly.

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Hell-Fire no longer mods for shipping cost, and I'm not aware of anyone else doing so.. And to be Honest I think he should of quit the freebies long ago, but he is the one setting the value on his time.

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I wasn't aware of that. Still, I find it hard to believe that nobody has a friend or family member who can solder. I know more people who can then can't.

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Plug and play is probably the biggest advantage....

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Yes, but frankly, five minutes of my time isn't worth $70 to me, and I doubt many people here would say that it was to them. While it's nice to pull a mod out and put it in another system, I doubt that is a big selling point. I wouldn't vmod a board just to use until I get my hands on another toy. Generally I vmod because I need the voltage to reach the clocks I want.

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Do you actually think soldered wires, make any difference to dishonest people? Do you really think that someone who fried the motherboard shorting a connection, or lifting a trace, will be any slower to RMA than if they had used the Booster? You at least insinuate you have the skill to do your own mods, so with your knowledge, would you have any problem doing mods (or removing) in such a manner as to have a problem RMA'ing?

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I don't think that people with the soldering skill to do a clean, removable mod are the people buying this. You can throw a mod on a board in a few seconds flat if you know what you are doing (Most of my time is spent mounting the vr's outside my case). So I'd suspect generally the people buying this are people who 1. Wont vmod a board because they worry they'll burn something obvious and won't be able to RMA it. 2. Wont vmod a board as they worry that will void their warranty and for whatever reason have convinced themselves that this product wont. Or 3. Have tried to vmod boards, but wound up frying/burning the boards so they sent them back to Newegg saying they arrived DOA. Now they will kill the board in another way and do exactly the same thing.
I don't think any of the three groups I mentioned should be using this product, yet I have a suspicion that they are the groups this product is targeted at.

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Most places simply don't have the resources to look that closely at return merchandise.

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The ironic twist to that is that I bought a (supposedly new) motherboard from a reseller once. It arrived DOA with a resister burnt. I RMA'ed it, and they refused the RMA because they noticed the burnt resistor when I sent it back. I had to dispute the charge with my credit card before they actually shipped me a replacement.

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Sure it does make it easier, but how many times have you seen a mod mentioned as "Easily removable" Just don't think its going to be as big a deal as you seem to think it will be...

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I don't think it's going to be a huge issue with boards dying left and right. But it seems an irresponsible product. It's a third party product that forces sensitive electronics to run out of spec without leaving any evidence of abuse, and no warning that it will void the warranty.

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Actually its relatively small, and with a little additional thought could be made to reside in the same size, or smaller package as an actual memory module. Heat can be managed, as most here are well aware of. compatibility list? 20 boards? That list will certainly grow, what do you expect OCZ to test every DDR board in existence? Its not the first time Beta testing, and compatibility have been left to the end user.

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If it interferes with board electronics, I consider it bulky. Ti4600's were bulky. SLK900's are bulky. This is bulky. Ram is not the most convienient place to cool. You can get a breeze over them fairly easily, but direct airflow towards them is quite a hassel. No doubt the list will grow... but I wouldn't want to be the one buying it only to find that my board was one of the unsupported ones.

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So your saying, the majority that purchases this are DISHONEST, thieves who mainly want a worry free way to fry hardware:rolleyes: :stick:

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Pretty much, of course they don't INTEND to fry the hardware, but they want to know that if they do fry the hardware, it's a weeks RMA away from a free replacement.

While I dont usually fight the moral crusades myself... you can see where Lithan is coming from. Why not get fired up for something you believe in. He did start right after once again members claim as an advantage "no voided warantees." No, that is 100% false, the warranty is void.

I see it all the time and it's gettin annoying on an upstanding place like XS. Look here for ideas on destroying a X800pro that won't mod to XT.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=39328

The geniuses came up with rubbing it on the carpet. Look... if not a rule already it should be.... keep you're law breaking to your damn self. I dont fight the crusade but hate having it thrown in my face. At least while still evil... no noob will get the idea to rub his card on the carpet from the "pro's" over at XS. When my friend spills a beer we even joke and call that alcohol abuse. Beer to deserves to be drank. WHen I think of all the tech and R&D that goes into a niec piece of kit like this it seriously makes me want to puke.

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Originally posted by Lithan
I don't know about the specific LED screen. But I've seen LED screens selling for less than $2 each in Quantity 1, so I don't know why they'd be buying $600/100 ones.

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Umm, not LED Display, but the LED Driver, thats the large Maxim IC that is so prominent... I didn't pull the price from my arse, it was quoted from a large distributor....

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Originally posted by Lithan
While I do think OCZ and resellers are gouging on the price here, I can't fault them for it, as you said, supply and demand. My point is that the price will make persons who have the knowledge to use this device properly turn it down and simply continue to VMod, which means the target market isn't people who can and will use the product responsibly.

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Well, to be honest I'm more then capable of doing any of the mods, on pretty much any hardware, however, if this thing will save me some time, and is basically portable, and a one time investment.... This is a matter of preference, and even though I soldered Professionally for almost 30 years I would rather push this thing in a dimm slot, so call me lazy, but WTH...

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Originally posted by Lithan
wasn't aware of that. Still, I find it hard to believe that nobody has a friend or family member who can solder. I know more people who can then can't.

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LMAO, well its just the opposite here, I worked the electronics industry for longer than I care to admit, and I guarantee you I know more "people that Can't, then can.... Sure most people can learn, and some can even do, but working SMD devices is a bit overwhelming for the inexperienced...

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Originally posted by Lithan
Yes, but frankly, five minutes of my time isn't worth $70 to me, and I doubt many people here would say that it was to them. While it's nice to pull a mod out and put it in another system, I doubt that is a big selling point. I wouldn't vmod a board just to use until I get my hands on another toy.

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Well, If I were limited to a single board, or not planning on getting new hardware I would agree, but for me, and I'm sure a few others it is worth the cash to save a few minutes time... Plus there is the cool factor/gadget, whatever... Hell I'm a technology freak, I enjoy playing with new toys... Oh, and it won't always cost you $70 bux, once the gouging stops it will be under $50, and a few bucks to ship... AND, its going to take more then a few minutes to go from no mods to 3.3 + capability for most.. Even if your good enough to solder in the mod, you still have to adjust, then there is the matter of the PSU as well... Average person doing those mods is going to be over 5 minutes.

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Originally posted by Lithan
Generally I vmod because I need the voltage to reach the clocks I want.

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Umm, yeah, don't we all?

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Originally posted by Lithan
I don't think that people with the soldering skill to do a clean, removable mod are the people buying this. You can throw a mod on a board in a few seconds flat if you know what you are doing (Most of my time is spent mounting the vr's outside my case). So I'd suspect generally the people buying this are people who 1. Wont vmod a board because they worry they'll burn something obvious and won't be able to RMA it. 2. Wont vmod a board as they worry that will void their warranty and for whatever reason have convinced themselves that this product wont. Or 3. Have tried to vmod boards, but wound up frying/burning the boards so they sent them back to Newegg saying they arrived DOA. Now they will kill the board in another way and do exactly the same thing.
I don't think any of the three groups I mentioned should be using this product, yet I have a suspicion that they are the groups this product is targeted at.

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well that is your perogative, however, even IF this were true why shouldn't OCZ, or any other company take advantage of the market? You could say the same thing about a Prom or a Vapo, as well, only difference is price keeps it out of the possesion of the masses. Think about it, plenty of products promote warranty voiding, hell even TIM, and as far as that goes, as soon as you Overclock you void most warranties, so how many here would not RMA dead hardware after a mild OC? Technically the owners warranty will most likely have been void long before it sees the OCZ booster...

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Originally posted by Lithan
The ironic twist to that is that I bought a (supposedly new) motherboard from a reseller once. It arrived DOA with a resister burnt. I RMA'ed it, and they refused the RMA because they noticed the burnt resistor when I sent it back. I had to dispute the charge with my credit card before they actually shipped me a replacement.

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Honestly, unless there is other evidence of abuse, a burned resistor IS NOT a basis to refuse... That resistor could have burned the instant you applied power, or could have even happened during the preship inspection... I would find another reseller......

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Originally posted by Lithan
I don't think it's going to be a huge issue with boards dying left and right. But it seems an irresponsible product. It's a third party product that forces sensitive electronics to run out of spec without leaving any evidence of abuse, and no warning that it will void the warranty.

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Oh come on now, force sensitive electronics? Run out of spec? sounds a bit weak and whiny to me... Not to mention anyone with a bit of soldering skill could be guilty of the EXACT same offense...

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Originally posted by Lithan
If it interferes with board electronics, I consider it bulky. Ti4600's were bulky. SLK900's are bulky. This is bulky. Ram is not the most convienient place to cool. You can get a breeze over them fairly easily, but direct airflow towards them is quite a hassel. No doubt the list will grow... but I wouldn't want to be the one buying it only to find that my board was one of the unsupported ones.

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Well, I'm sure OCZ could have taken a bit more time, and made it less interfering, but I think they did an ok job of it, hell they may as well revise it a few times, perfect it, and sell some more, kind of like the motherboard manufacturers do... As for cooling, it doesn't take that much thought to get decent airflow over memory, seriously, this is just getting to nitpicking now... If you have some product gripes why not address them to OCZ?

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Originally posted by Lithan
Pretty much, of course they don't INTEND to fry the hardware, but they want to know that if they do fry the hardware, it's a weeks RMA away from a free replacement.

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I guess my bottom line is your just NOT correct in assuming this thing is ONLY being bought by incapable idiots.

Just seems your entire rant is at the least, quite premature....

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Originally posted by texuspete2k2
While I dont usually fight the moral crusades myself... you can see where Lithan is coming from. Why not get fired up for something you believe in. He did start right after once again members claim as an advantage "no voided warantees." No, that is 100% false, the warranty is void.

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AS I ALREADY SAID, as far as that, I AGREE...... I just don't agree, that everyone buying this thing is evil and plans to fry and RMA.....

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Originally posted by texuspete2k2
I see it all the time and it's gettin annoying on an upstanding place like XS. Look here for ideas on destroying a X800pro that won't mod to XT.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=39328

The geniuses came up with rubbing it on the carpet. Look... if not a rule already it should be.... keep you're law breaking to your damn self. I dont fight the crusade but hate having it thrown in my face. At least while still evil... no noob will get the idea to rub his card on the carpet from the "pro's" over at XS. When my friend spills a beer we even joke and call that alcohol abuse. Beer to deserves to be drank. WHen I think of all the tech and R&D that goes into a niec piece of kit like this it seriously makes me want to puke.

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Those posts are CLEARLY against forum rules, you've taken more time and energy to bring it up in this post, did you bother reporting the post? I bet not. Also, because I don't feel the same as Lithan, it doesn't mean I RMA crap if I kill it... Please DON'T mix the two up.

This is getting even further off track, MY debate with LITHAN has nothing to do with MORALS, as I've already agree with him in that respect....

Let the people buy it if they want to lol...its just another gimmick where they want money, but its an easy gimmick so dont argue over it..its finished

I bought one of these "gimmicks" because I like the concept, heck, it just might influence the next mobo I buy.

"Plus there is the cool factor/gadget"

That's why I figure MOST of the Xtreme members are buying it. It's something new that hasn't been done before. But would OCZ really release it if the only people who were going to buy it are Xtreme members? What I definately feel OCZ needs to do is put a warning in item descriptions and included with the product saying that using it will void your motherboard and (if using A64) cpu warranties and if used to move ram voltage above what your ram is spec'ed for will void your ram warranty as well.


If it's proven independantly that this does offer significantly cleaner voltage, hell I might buy it. But more likely I'd grab the specs, have an electrical engineer buddy or two give me a hand and build one that solders to the back of the motherboard with the heat-dissipating components somewhere they would be easier to cool. It IS a neat gadget. But I get a bee in my bonnet when I see people assuming it's warranty-safe just because it is user-friendly and wrapped up in a simple plug and play package.

I'll edit in my replies to your long post Karn...

1. I was under the impression that most LED displays came with the driver attached.

2. What did you work on, microscopes?

3. Of the men I know well enough to have this info on, I'd say probably three quarters own some kind of soldering iron/station, with at least half having the skill needed to pull off most any vmod. If I remember, two were also professional solderers.

4. My point is that I can do these mods so fast (Only thing that's a PITA is driving to the shack and trying to find the right VR's I must have a drawer full of useless ones by now from buying those "assortments" because they didn't sell what I needed single.) that unless I was working on at least five boards at any given time, or for some reason needed to constantly remove (not just disable) the mods, I really don't find soldering the mods that much less convenient.

5. Well, It literally takes me the time to remove my PSU cover and boot into bios plus maybe ten seconds to adjust my PSU, If I do something else while my iron heats up (I use a cheap 15w), I've got maybe thirty seconds per joint, tops. I don't really count adjusting time, because that takes hours of running prime (or whatever stability tester I'm running) while tweaking voltage to hit the sweet spot. Of course if I only wanted accuracy to .1v, I could make the adjustment in bios in a matter of seconds.

6. I was saying that I vmod with the intent of keeping it modded, so the ability to pull this out of one rig to put it in another really doesn't matter to me.

7. Technically, but there are certain things that simply don't kill chips (bumping a 2500+ barton to 3200+ speeds), and things that sometimes will (forcing 3.9vdimm down your board, ram and Mem controller's throat). We have to trust our better judgement. I think the requirement that you use only stock tim and heatsink on amd's chips is retarded. But running nearly 4v through a line meant to take 2.5v is among the things I consider "warranty-voiding". Why? If something bad happens while your cpu is under AS5 and a slk948U, it's pretty definate that it wasn't the AS5's fault. If something bad happens while you have 3.9v going to ram, there's a damn good chance it was the voltages fault.

8. I did. That reseller now has something like a 2.1 reseller rating. But it wasn't burnt as in burnt out, it was burnt as in a retard with a soldering iron scorched it pitch black and clearly melted a patch of board surrounding it.

9. Yes, but skilled solderers aren't profiting off of selling their skills to people who will damage these electronics and turn around and rma them. Would someone in services offering "clean" vmod removals from dead hardware for RMA be allowed to keep the thread? I think not.

10. I'm sure there will be. And I wouldn't call it nitpicking. Excepting a very awkwardly placed side blowhole, how are you going to get a permanent fan mounted to cool ram without jumping through hoops? I'm not trying to gripe about the products design, I'm trying to point out the detriments because I think most people who are skilled vmodders would see them and decide that the devices advantages aren't worth it's drawbacks. This is to make a point about what people I feel this device is marketed towards. I think it is mostly marketed towards the people who can't or won't vmod. If you agree with that, then I don't need to discuss the product itself any more.

I never said "only". In fact I've made it a point to use words such as "mainly" or "mostly" and give examples of what I feel the exceptions are.

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Originally posted by Lithan
edit in my replies to your long post Karn...

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Bah, thought i was getting off ez ;) guess I'll wait to respond, may even be tomorrow:eek:


But hey, I do agree with pretty much everything in the unedited version, and OCZ would be quite silly NOT to have disclaimers, and warnings almost bursting out of the box....

" But running nearly 4v through a line meant to take 2.5v is among the things I consider "warranty-voiding". Why? "

And how many boards only allow 2.5vdimm?

I don't mean to get between you and Karnivore but something like this is the the :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:z for idiots like me that want to RMA all our stuff:rolleyes:

oh god we are heading in the noob-friendly direction

i mean seriously buy some godam solder and an iron if u cant solder practice practice and practice, took me 30minutes of soldering and i was failry competant at it.

this isnt "lets buy all the premodded :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: so we can have a pretty case and OC more- systems" its xtremesystems for a reason, u gotta work hard to live up to that title

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Originally posted by Lithan
But would OCZ really release it if the only people who were going to buy it are Xtreme members? What I definately feel OCZ needs to do is put a warning in item descriptions and included with the product saying that using it will void your motherboard and (if using A64) cpu warranties and if used to move ram voltage above what your ram is spec'ed for will void your ram warranty as well.

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I have had a booster for a few day's now, and when I first got it there was a sticker right on the POT's lnob saying

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Exposing any of your computer components and/or peripheral equipment to increased voltage may void manufacture's warranty

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Now that out of the way.

I have a booster,and have been playing with it for a few day's now. I really like it. I vmod all my boards and will continue to do vcore mod's if needed, but the booster is great. On my K8NSpro I needed to run a very high +3.3v rail just to get 3.2vddr. With the booster I keep my +3.3v within reason and still get all the volts I want. Plus since I have my board out of the case a lot, I have to mount the VR's on the MB itself. This makes getting in there with a screw driver and flashlight to get to the VR very annoying. With the booster I just reach in and turn the knob. Quite convenient.

Also I never have or never will RMA a fried board!
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Originally posted by Lithan
If it's proven independantly that this does offer significantly cleaner voltage, hell I might buy it. But more likely I'd grab the specs, have an electrical engineer buddy or two give me a hand and build one that solders to the back of the motherboard with the heat-dissipating components somewhere they would be easier to cool.

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Looking at the pictures, and reading some preliminary comments I doubt its filtered and regulated much better than an average motherboard, I was a bit dissapointed to see some comments mentioning a fair amount of voltage swing. Hopefully its just from a weak supply or such. I also doubt it would take an EE to reproduce, from the pics it looks like a fairly simple DC to DC variable PSU that most anyone could reproduce. I do find the Patent Pending interesting, and am QUITE anxious to see what is so original they feel is patentable....

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Originally posted by Lithan
1. I was under the impression that most LED displays came with the driver attached.

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Your confusing LED with LCD.

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Originally posted by Lithan
2. What did you work on, microscopes?

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Amusing, but no, Thats great that you and the majority of your friends are SMD capable, not everyone is so lucky, or has such friends.

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Originally posted by Lithan
3. Of the men I know well enough to have this info on, I'd say probably three quarters own some kind of soldering iron/station, with at least half having the skill needed to pull off most any vmod. If I remember, two were also professional solderers.

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Ahh, but here we've added a twist "Of the men I know well enough to have this info" I'm talking average Joe, not Average Joe enthusiast, or hobbyist...

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Originally posted by Lithan
4. My point is that I can do these mods so fast (Only thing that's a PITA is driving to the shack and trying to find the right VR's I must have a drawer full of useless ones by now from buying those "assortments" because they didn't sell what I needed single.) that unless I was working on at least five boards at any given time, or for some reason needed to constantly remove (not just disable) the mods, I really don't find soldering the mods that much less convenient.

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Congradulations, your the exception, not the rule...

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Originally posted by Lithan
5. Well, It literally takes me the time to remove my PSU cover and boot into bios plus maybe ten seconds to adjust my PSU, If I do something else while my iron heats up (I use a cheap 15w), I've got maybe thirty seconds per joint, tops. I don't really count adjusting time, because that takes hours of running prime (or whatever stability tester I'm running) while tweaking voltage to hit the sweet spot. Of course if I only wanted accuracy to .1v, I could make the adjustment in bios in a matter of seconds.

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Again, Congradulations, your the exception, not the rule, and most PSU's aren't as simple as opening the cover...

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Originally posted by Lithan
6. I was saying that I vmod with the intent of keeping it modded, so the ability to pull this out of one rig to put it in another really doesn't matter to me.

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Ok, misunderstood you..

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Originally posted by Lithan
7. Technically, but

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Ahh, well Crusaders are Pure, and innocent, so here you've decided that your opinions and where YOU draw the line is RIGHT.

So you say some ways warranties are voided is ok, because they are voided just a little bit..

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Originally posted by Lithan
9. Yes, but skilled solderers aren't profiting off of selling their skills to people who will damage these electronics and turn around and rma them. Would someone in services offering "clean" vmod removals from dead hardware for RMA be allowed to keep the thread? I think not.

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Hmm, what do you consider Hell-Fire? unskilled? since he no longer does the mods free, he must be profiting (Not enough IMO) So in YOUR eyes he is in the same evil grouping as OCZ and the Booster.

Now your getting back to the nitpicking... Of course specific intent to defraud mentioned publically is not approved, read through some FOR SALES, or a few Vmod threads, its not uncommon.. Sorry, I won't take the time to quantify this with a search.

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Originally posted by Lithan
10. I'm sure there will be. And I wouldn't call it nitpicking. Excepting a very awkwardly placed side blowhole, how are you going to get a permanent fan mounted to cool ram without jumping through hoops? I'm not trying to gripe about the products design, I'm trying to point out the detriments because I think most people who are skilled vmodders would see them and decide that the devices advantages aren't worth it's drawbacks. This is to make a point about what people I feel this device is marketed towards. I think it is mostly marketed towards the people who can't or won't vmod. If you agree with that, then I don't need to discuss the product itself any more.

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Plenty of threads I've read here that offer many simple and effective cooling methods, I don't understand, you consider cooling memory "Jumping Through Hoops" but Vmods are simple? Not mechanically inclined or???? LOL............. Even these same "Noob Hardware Slayers" are probably capable of this. Maybe OCZ should market a memory cooling system, perhaps that would impress, and pacify you.

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Originally posted by Lithan
I never said "only". In fact I've made it a point to use words such as "mainly" or "mostly" and give examples of what I feel the exceptions are.

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Hmm alright, guess so.. Let me just say I think we've reached a sort of stalemate and it probably will serve little purpose to continue. I respect your opinions, and your choice of honesty when dealing with RMA's, its an unfortunate fact your in the minority, not a bad minority though, and I don't mind being there as well...

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Originally posted by blinky
oh god we are heading in the noob-friendly direction

i mean seriously buy some godam solder and an iron if u cant solder practice practice and practice, took me 30minutes of soldering and i was failry competant at it.

this isnt "lets buy all the premodded :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: so we can have a pretty case and OC more- systems" its xtremesystems for a reason, u gotta work hard to live up to that title

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Far as I know this forum has ALWAYS been "noob-friendly"

and yes this IS xtremesystems, Not xtremeeliteistsnobassbetterthenthenextguy.org Did you happen to notice Opps comment on buying one of these? Sheesh.....

Hmmm how about the fact that a ot of have no idea how to do a vdimm mod from scratch? Take my case, I have an A7V880, there's maybe 5 - 10 members here that have one. I don't even know where to start trying to figure out a vdimm mod. I posted a thread in the mods section and got very little help. This booster will save me the time of running through probing the hell out of my board, trying to find 2.65v, and at the same time providing me with a lot more overclocking headroom.

Why should I solder VRs on to my board, if I don't have to? Not to mention I have 5 DDR motherboards I can use this on. 2 of which have vdimm mods available (8RDA and NF7). The other 3, no one knows nor cares.

So quit your attack on this wonderful device that saves time.

By the way, it also saves time because you don't have to rip the mobo from your case and solder, and put it back. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Karnivore
[B]Your confusing LED with LCD.

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Indeed.

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Ahh, but here we've added a twist "Of the men I know well enough to have this info" I'm talking average Joe, not Average Joe enthusiast, or hobbyist...

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You think "average joe" who isn't even a hobbiest or enthusiest should be putting 3.9v through his ram? I don't think it's safe for someone who isn't at the very least a hobbiest to own this product.

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Again, Congradulations, your the exception, not the rule, and most PSU's aren't as simple as opening the cover...

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All the high quality PSU's I've ever seen had rail adjustments either in the PSU or mountable outside (true-control). The only exceptions I can think of are the lower-end antecs... but frankly, most of the time they don't have the balls to be it a volt-modded rig.

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Ahh, well Crusaders are Pure, and innocent, so here you've decided that your opinions and where YOU draw the line is RIGHT.

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It's based on a simple reasoning I think all informed people are capable of. Changing TIM doesn't kill cpu's. High Voltage does kill both ram and motherboards and cpus. It's one of those things so fundamental, it doesn't even need explaination.

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So you say some ways warranties are voided is ok, because they are voided just a little bit..

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I say if a product dies and you know for a fact it was a manufacturing error, it is right to RMA. I RMA'ed a cpu recently, because when I plugged it in, it wouldn't run stock... I went ahead and tinkered with it, in the process overclocking, and trying to figure out why it was incapable of running at 200HTT. Eventually I found that the memory controller was faulty. I Rma'ed it because it had arrived bad. I knew for a fact I had not killed it.
In another instance, I had a NF7-S die on me (back when they were $115). My cascade had had a slight leak (A beading at one of the barbs), I figured it had dripped down and shorted. The system kept rebooting, so I shut down and noticed the moisture. I let it dry and it never booted again. There was absolutely zero evidence that the death was my fault, but it was a case where I refuse to RMA, because my using it inproperly was the cause of its death.

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Hmm, what do you consider Hell-Fire? unskilled? since he no longer does the mods free, he must be profiting (Not enough IMO) So in YOUR eyes he is in the same evil grouping as OCZ and the Booster.

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Does he remove mods from dead boards?

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Plenty of threads I've read here that offer many simple and effective cooling methods, I don't understand, you consider cooling memory "Jumping Through Hoops" but Vmods are simple? Not mechanically inclined or???? LOL............. Even these same "Noob Hardware Slayers" are probably capable of this. Maybe OCZ should market a memory cooling system, perhaps that would impress, and pacify you.

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It isn't difficult, just a pain in the ass. Mount everything, figure your clearance, empty the case, drill mounting holes for brackets, make brackets, reassemble case, mount fan to brackets and brackets to case. It would take me at least an hour in total (Making the brackets would take awhile... I'd probably wind up using slot covers) Mounting to the side of the case is easier, but in every case I own would interfere with devices in the 5.25 bays. Also, I've never been pleased with the results (accoustically) when I resorted to side-mounting a fan. That 1/8" sheet steel is a surprisingly good sound dampener.

Some of us find pulling the whole thing apart and putting it back together 12x a day to be very annoying :rolleyes:

Especially when you do it for a living at work :rolleyes:

can this booster be used for dual channel on P4C800 deluxe ?
got a K8N pro here to, not by supported motherboards, anyone tested it ?

booster works on P4C800-E http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=39354