I can't help but wonder, if they will make up the $$$ they spent on locking the chips from the enthusiast market.
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I can't help but wonder, if they will make up the $$$ they spent on locking the chips from the enthusiast market.
Probably will, but not enough for them to unlock the i915 canterwood/ i925 grantsdale chipsets beyond 20% over stock.
No, it will cost them more to lock them than it will to leave them unlocked. That is what I meant.
im not so sure if only 5% of all P4 cpus are overclocked... i think its much more. 90% of the people who build their system theirselves oc it. still the by far largest part of sold cpus is oem, but i think at least 20% of intels cpus are overclocked ,rather more.
intel probably sees those overclocked cpus like people are stealing money from them. when you buy a 2.4c and oc it to 3.6ghz they only get the money for a 2.4c and probably calculate the price diference to a 3.6ghz as their loss.
those are really stupid calculations as 90% of the people who oc their cpus now wouldnt pay more money to buy a high end chip if the chips youldnt be overclocked. they would still buy a 2.4c but wouldnt oc it as high...
its like the RIAA calculating every copied music cd as a loss of 30$ for them. its the same BS, 90% of the people who copy cds or download the songs from the internet wouldnt buy the cd if they couldnt dl or copy the music, they just wouldnt listen to that music at all...
i think the intel managers follow the same stupid "how can i make more money/how can i reduce the losses we make" tactic as the RIAA...
i built my own P4 system, and it's never been o/ced. not when i had P4 2.0a, P4 2.4B, and now with P4 2.8B, I know i represent 1% of the system builders. Intel sees O/cers as a liability. And now especially when Netburst has hit it's ceiling. Every MHZ dollar is harder to earn now more than ever.
I think DELL will also happy to see locked motherboards too. When you see a hole in the boat, your gonna plug that hole. otherwise u will sink. who will buy a 3.6e LGA 775 when u can get a 2.4c and get 3.6ghz!?
Perhaps this is a sign, that O/cers are growing and cannot be allowed to continue. Intel finally is do something about it. Btw, Intel mobos never could o/c anyways, now all mobos with Intel chipsets are locked within 20%.
dell boards are already "locked" against ocing as the bios is almost useless, the only way to oc is to mod the voltages and use clockgen, or to hack the bios.Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
i built my own P4 system, and it's never been o/ced. not when i had P4 2.0a, P4 2.4B, and now with P4 2.8B, I know i represent 1% of the system builders. Intel sees O/cers as a liability. And now especially when Netburst has hit it's ceiling. Every MHZ dollar is harder to earn now more than ever.
I think DELL will also happy to see locked motherboards too. When you see a hole in the boat, your gonna plug that hole. otherwise u will sink. who will buy a 3.6e LGA 775 when u can get a 2.4c and get 3.6ghz!?
Perhaps this is a sign, that O/cers are growing and cannot be allowed to continue. Intel finally is do something about it. Btw, Intel mobos never could o/c anyways, now all mobos with Intel chipsets are locked within 20%.
and intel boards have actually been great ocers, just think of the 875!
when intel really thinks that ocers have grown too large and they have to be stopped (lol) then this movement is really stupid as they are pushing a rapid growing part of the market towards its competitor who DOES support overclocking.
now lets say ocers are really just 5% of the market, then take into consideration that most ocers upgrade at least 4 times more often than normal users and that a good part of them has more than one system and its not such a small part of the market anymore. plus ocers=free advertising. who needs to pay for advertising when every kid knows the fastest system atm is a XXX cpu oced to XXX that scores XXX in the XXX benchmark?
You know, you can only hope that they loose at this. Say only 10% of the market is individuals vs. oem, and then say, as sayaa says, that 90% of them want to o/c. Most of those people will look to AMD, which would mean continued market share loss, and to the tune of what 9% of Intel's market (90% of the 10% build-yer-own). That is enough of a number to turn the oem's heads, regardless of cause, leading to even bigger loss of market share for Intel.
Hope it happens that way.....also hope I never make another say, like sayaa says sentence again, that was tough. ;)
edit: and if I do I'll know to spell it right, sorry saaya. :rolleyes:
hahaah :D
well the final 915/925 boards are not out yet... according to THG the final B1 stepping of the chipset doesnt allow the lock to be disabled anymore while it was possible to disable it on previous versions. but im not so sure about that... i think the lock can still be disabled by intel.
if its not possible to disable it hardware wise on the chipset (very unlikely) and not possible to disable it via a bios or driver update (rather likely) then its def possible for intel to disable this overclocking lock by changing the infos they flash into the memory cell inside their cpus to either send diferent data to the chipset wich allows a higher oc or to ignore the request from the chipset and disable the overclocking protection somehow.
i still hope that intel will not use this lock in the final boards though.
and even if, im sure there are enough skilled people all over the net and in taiwaneese offices that find a way around this lock :toast:
intel sucks
Nice profile ;)Quote:
Originally posted by HawainPanda
man...this is so sucky :P
It's a poor decision to do it. It sends a bad message to those who could be very well an unpaid advertising force for your product. It heightens the AMD position at a time when that seems like a poor choice as well. I very much hope Intel realizes this and changes the idea.
Barring that I'll hope that creative engineers find a way around it.
For a lot of folks though, just hearing about it is enough to drive them to the AMD camp.
I think the bad vs good decision ratio for Intel lately has been tons more bad than good. That doesn't spell well for their future.
there is something you all forget - some companies like VoodooPC ABS Cyberpower Alienware and Cyberpower sells overclocked PC as high end choice - the Voodo PCF1 even get a special watercooling .
when all those super-light-gamers see the review in their favorite gameing magazine where the overclocked 2.5GHZ Athlon 64 3500+ beats the crap out of intel 560 3.6ghz they wont be so happy ...
From [H]ardOCP:
"We have seen a few folks rumoring about Intel overclocking locks but we have yet to see any official information on this from Intel and the fact of the matter is that it does not exist on our ABIT motherboards.
I don’t want to get into an overclocking article here and now, as the CPUs we have are engineering samples. Obtaining overclocks in the 4GHz range were not an issue though. Also, we were able to scale our FSB up to 250+ while bringing the DDR2 bus up to 666MHz with all sets of DDR2 sticks in the house. So it would seem that the enthusiast fun would live on in the new enthusiast motherboards. It is certain that the ABIT retail boards have great promise of being awesome OCers now as they have in the past.
It would be my guess that many of our readers will reach 1066MHz FSB bus rates and 667MHz DDR2 speeds long before we officially see the specs on equipment and before the market officially offers 4GHz CPUs. Of course the idea is to do that as inexpensively as possible and we will certainly focus on that soon."
protection is already cut by the japs
hmm sounds fairly strange.. But if wonder if a little clockgen wont fix that problem..
btw sayaa i´ll say that its less than 5% who oc their p4 which we already discused :)
Kanavit is being an uber Intel fanboy again... :rolleyes:
-saaya
Intel officially launches i915p, i915G, and i925x chipsets @Intel.com.
Learn more detail about each chipset here:
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...w_news_040621&
Both dual-channel DDR2 and DDR
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/915p_ht.gif
Acceleration of DirectX* 9 for 3D
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/915g_ht.gif
For Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor Extreme Edition
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/925x_ht.gif
Reduces boot times and delivers higher storage performance
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/matrix_tt.gif
*Intel® High Definition Audio much improved over AC97 audio.
*PCI express over 3.5x faster than PCI.
* LGA775 processor package brings robust power and signal delivery
*Dual-channel DDR2 at 533 MHz delivers up to 8.5 GB/s peak memory bandwidth
:idea:Quote:
Originally posted by Kalway
Kanavit is being an uber Intel fanboy again... :rolleyes:
-saaya
I'll have a go :D
^ WTF are you posting that for? u think we dont know that stuff by now. its all bull :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
Intel officially launches i915p, i915G, and i925x chipsets @Intel.com.
Learn more detail about each chipset here:
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...w_news_040621&
Both dual-channel DDR2 and DDR
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/915p_ht.gif
Acceleration of DirectX* 9 for 3D
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/915g_ht.gif
For Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor Extreme Edition
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/925x_ht.gif
Reduces boot times and delivers higher storage performance
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/pix/matrix_tt.gif
*Intel® High Definition Audio much improved over AC97 audio.
*PCI express over 3.5x faster than PCI.
* LGA775 processor package brings robust power and signal delivery
*Dual-channel DDR2 at 533 MHz delivers up to 8.5 GB/s peak memory bandwidth
Besides, your going off topic, this thread was about the overclocking lock.
:slapass: :owned: :wierd: :bananal:
:toast: :banana:Quote:
Kalway
it's on topic, because it's about i925,i915, chipsets. I feel that is revelant. anyways, it big news because it's on the front page of Intel .com. i bet a lot of people didn't know that.
caaaaalm down guys.
kalway, no personal attacks!
kanavit, its nice to see you so enthusiastic about the new intel chipsets, but please try to be a little more objective.
they also have the 775 3.6ghz ES chip wich allows them to lower the multi and thereby reaching 4ghz with an fsb of 250. this is still within the overclocking locks maximum of a 10% oc of a 3.6ghz chip! from what kyle said it sounds like they could reach 4ghz but not over and 250fsb but not over, this is exactly the limit where the ocing protection kicks in. (its a 3.6ghz ES chip running 18x200=3600mhz by default. a 10% increase means 3960mhz =~4000mhz, they probably lowered the multi to 16 and raised the fsb to 250 wich is 16x250=4000mhz. thats exactly the same speed the ES chip on vr-zone maxed out when they tried to oc)Quote:
Originally posted by Blind_GI
From [H]ardOCP:
"We have seen a few folks rumoring about Intel overclocking locks but we have yet to see any official information on this from Intel and the fact of the matter is that it does not exist on our ABIT motherboards.
I don’t want to get into an overclocking article here and now, as the CPUs we have are engineering samples. Obtaining overclocks in the 4GHz range were not an issue though. Also, we were able to scale our FSB up to 250+ while bringing the DDR2 bus up to 666MHz with all sets of DDR2 sticks in the house. So it would seem that the enthusiast fun would live on in the new enthusiast motherboards. It is certain that the ABIT retail boards have great promise of being awesome OCers now as they have in the past.
It would be my guess that many of our readers will reach 1066MHz FSB bus rates and 667MHz DDR2 speeds long before we officially see the specs on equipment and before the market officially offers 4GHz CPUs. Of course the idea is to do that as inexpensively as possible and we will certainly focus on that soon."
where? link?Quote:
Originally posted by cpulloverclock
protection is already cut by the japs
so when can we buy them
dell is already shipping them i think
I have a friend who has a retail 3.2 he will try with.If he reaches 3.6gig he is over 10% as 3.52 should be the cutoff.
Have you noticed though all these sites saying there is no lock are all using the press kit ES samples....wouldn't you think they would get a retail chip to be sure??
Anyone want to edit an Intel logo to say, "Intel: You're our :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:!"
Banana's = Name for a female dog.
Ho ho! MY Athlon XP-M will remain not obsolete for a few months, yet...
And Intel's new chipsets can XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Overclocking prevention is not cool at all.
watch your language
-saaya