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Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...
If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.
IMO, that will make all the difference between these cards. the 6800u i believe will scale better than the x800xt. but will it overclock % wise like the x800xt :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...
If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.
I dont believe in benching outside of a case, so im really instrested in which card performs better on pelts and water. and one thing right off that makes me lean to the x800xt is my water block will work on these new ati cards. i can buy it and have a bench in under 10 mins :D
Another bonus is that the X800 XT isnt as hungry for volts as the 6800 Ultra but that might be a good thing ;)
How about the 6800 GT, how does that compare to the others?
like some said before i would like to see some 1600x1200 af and aa on. at stock speeds and some overclocks speeds. for both cards.
Actually HardOcp out of all the places did a wicked review 6800 vs x800. They Threw out 3dmurk out the window and used Games only. Gave a good impression of what we should expect. Yes X800xt totally spanked the 6800 ultra heck x800 pro spanked 6800 ultra in many games.
For games I definetly would choose X800XT.
For Benchies and wenis envy I would choose 6800 Ultra.
I play games not benchmarks so the answer is simple for me..
As for the counting of transistors thats complete bull Nvidia counts the transistors ATI just counts the Logic gates and estimates how many Transistors it could have, therefore they maybe completly wrong about the 160 Million x800 transistors.
The reviews I put the most faith in are from Anandtech (there are a few others but thats my main one). They really know what they are talking about and some of the stuff they get into while talking about video card technology is just amazing. Their benchmarks are very fair...now I never saw this "spanking" of the 6800...both cards in most reviews are pretty close to one another which is how it should be, with the Nvidia winning some and the ATI winning some.
As far as the transistors go - I don't think ATI is going to be too far off on knowing the transistor count of their own products. Also since the die of the NV40 is physically bigger its obvious which one has more transistors.
whoa...the 6800 has some really awsome results
The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.
As nobody as yet put extreme cooling on a 6800U and volt modded it I think talk of a 600Mhz limit is premature.
Regards
Andy
Unreal is still hella fun though and is a decently new game. No reason to remove that. I have strong faith in nvidia this time.
kickass score there, but will still get the X800XT over this coz for gaming wise...
The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.
But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:
And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)
And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...
And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)
I get the feeling you are still sitting on the fence ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Mini
The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...
But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:
And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)
And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...
And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)
Saying the X800XT is faster in all games except OpenGL is a bit of an incorrect generalisation, especially as no retail cards with retail drivers are out yet on the nvidia side.
Regards
Andy
Valve says HL2 will be "playable" on a 6800U..... thats funny. Valve wishes the game will have as much technical wow factor that it would have had if it actually game out soon or last year. There beta benches on a 9800XT were handily 'playable." Took forever for games to catch up to the 9700 I don't think we need to worry about playable for a bit ;)
Why do people even post that pic? They enabled Nvidias crappy 8x AA mode which cripples the card. The ATI is only running at 6x :rolleyes:.
NO ONE is going to be using 8x.
The ATI minimum FPS was 14. I hardly deem that playable either.
I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it. If you ask me they should just remove it from the driver unless they can find another technique that yields better results. Its only making them look bad by not having a 6x mode.
also, not to mention ATI's optimization rumors when x800 running 8x AF , the x800 uses bilinear filtering , not like NV40 running Trilinear filtering with 8x af enabled, giving performance to ATI. bilinear offers considerably less image quality than trilinear filtering, but no one fails to meantion that.
no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference...
yea, well .. at least we know why now x800 is faster with AF.Quote:
Originally posted by Djuice
no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference...
I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it.
Yeah possibly, those games that run at 300+fps may run at around 50 or so.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by DeathMonk
I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..
Now that Nvidia is using the same method as ATI, why don't they have a good 6x mode out?
Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??
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Originally posted by LardArse
Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??
Good point, they must be stacking up, maybe worm just needs a dig.
Let me give him a dig.
Regards
Andy
The last time i checked, 60.72 are approved drivers for 6800 series only at Futuremark approved drivers list.
CompUSA now has the 6800U (PNY version) on its website. In-store pick-up only. Link