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I disagree with this, and only this statement. A benchmark is any measure of capability.Quote:
Originally posted by bachus_anonym
i don't mean to put up anyones fire but searching for the highest although not stable FSB is not benchmarking... that's why i asked:
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Is a drag race a benchmark? Or, is only an endurance race completed a benchmark? IMO, both are.
i believe we could discuss it for a long time...Quote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
I disagree with this, and only this statement. A benchmark is any measure of capability.
Is a drag race a benchmark? Or, is only an endurance race completed a benchmark? IMO, both are.
every OCer knows that benchmarks are not all equal... some require almost full "prime95" stability (like 3DMarks, SuperPI, PiFast or AM3) and some can do with so-so stability (like Sandra). and there are also tools like ClockGen or 8rdavcore that can help with raising FSB or CPU speed to the point at which windows wouldn't boot at all if done the "oldskool" way, from BIOS (i showed that with my 2.7Ghz screen)...
and i agree, benchmark is definetely measure of capability... but i also think that xtreme OCing without full stability feels kind of not complete... don't we all OC to have great, very fast and stable PCs that we can use for everything else rather than taking WCPUID and Sandra screens?
i don't want to write anything else about it here... i said what i felt i should...
If it's at least 3DMark's stable then mission is complete... if it's only for Sandra then there's still long way to go...
i better take care of my R9800P vmods now ;)
happy OCing to all u folks,
What bios you use?
Whaaaaaaaaa :slobber: Holy shh! My RAM wont do that! :D Ik can do 260MHz pifast and ran 3D @ 255. Havent gone higher, but I can say it wont do much more. Maybe a few Mhz and thats it.Quote:
Originally posted by Lastviking
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This was long time ago..And i don´t want to run prime @ higher vdimm than 3.3v+ . And i don´t wana higher my timings........So i give you only 3DMarks.. 24/7 use is one thing.. Highest on Orb is one thing"Maybe you think they run Orb speeds @ 24/7?!". So cold down plz i work 2 much so don´t hurry...I give you higer fsb+cpu speed in 3Dmark2001 when i have time....And highest memmory bench is one thing. I don´t OC becuse of high 24/7 speeds...
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You are looking for high 24/7 speeds but i´m are looking for high fsb speeds in sisoftsandra..."I like mc you like cars", "I like Red you like Green"
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Insane speeds LV!! Excellent! :toast:
Lastviking, without mods (stock Vdimm & Vcore)... as much you can raise the FSB?.
Now can the trolls pipe down here!
Viking, thats a wicked overclock 268FSB in 2K1 is mint!
Do you have a compare for that as i'd be really interested to put mine side by side with it and see the difference.
Currently:
232 FSB & Cpu interface @1.65v
x 11, 2552 MHz @1.98v
CAS2.0, 2-2-11 @3.20v
9800 @438 / 384 (unmodded)
Win 2000, CAT 3.5 / DirectX8.1b
And 21,455. ;) (Click the sig)
3dmark and superpi do not require full prime95 stability. I've ran both 3dmark21 and superpi but prime95 errored out after a couple hours.Quote:
Originally posted by bachus_anonym
i believe we could discuss it for a long time...
every OCer knows that benchmarks are not all equal... some require almost full "prime95" stability (like 3DMarks, SuperPI, PiFast or AM3) and some can do with so-so stability (like Sandra).
Overly impressive :toast:
If you are going to compare this to a drag race, then maximum overclock wise, THG already won with that 5GHz overclock using liquid nitrogen. This is not impressive.Quote:
Is a drag race a benchmark?
To me, if that 2.55 is stable on air, that is very good, LastViking. But I don't see the point of claiming 2.8GHz when you can't do anything with it. That's like having a dragster that explodes at the end of the race! Sorry dude, but what's the point of that?
Anyway, already seen someone post 2.8 on air, run 2.75 3DMarks & run it stable @ 2.7. Now that's impressive.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7536588
word!
It's not impressive when someone is finally getting the knack of putting an almost ordinary nForce board up near the 300 FSB mark and folks want to jump in and crap on the thread.
How many of you putting in your 2 cents worth on the merits of Lastviking's O/C are any where near 300 FSB on YOUR nForce board?
This isn't discussion any more, it's thread crapping, pure and simple. Trying to spice up the crapping with some recommends as to what would make the accomplishment "worthy" in your eyes doesn't matter. Perfumed crap is still crap.
xtremesystems is about respect for each other, not some kind of testosterone contest. Go to [S] if that's your thang.
Excellent m8!, Xtreme Systems is about showing what you can do/have done with what you have. No one should be here to say 'oh you did that but it doesn't mean anything cause I don't like it'. Remember if your not posting something productive to the person posting in regaurds to helping/guiding/commending them, then you shouldn't be posting at all.Quote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
It's not impressive when someone is finally getting the knack of putting an almost ordinary nForce board up near the 300 FSB mark and folks want to jump in and crap on the thread.
How many of you putting in your 2 cents worth on the merits of Lastviking's O/C are any where near 300 FSB on YOUR nForce board?
This isn't discussion any more, it's thread crapping, pure and simple. Trying to spice up the crapping with some recommends as to what would make the accomplishment "worthy" in your eyes doesn't matter. Perfumed crap is still crap.
xtremesystems is about respect for each other, not some kind of testosterone contest. Go to [S] if that's your thang.
LostViking was one of the first people to popularize the DFI NForceII boards thru his work, so trying to decredit his work is not acceptable to him or to this community as a whole.
If you came to this thread simply looking to troll then you should be banned, I'm not saying that you did or didn't come to do this but simply if you did you should be banned on the spot. It is simply not acceptable. When you come to this website, you notice at the end of the url that its a .org website. Meaning this is an organization, in all its simplicity Xtreme Systems is here for the purpose of helping fellow overclockers and modders. This Community is here to help one another in attaining their/our goals, do not try to detest them because you think this or that, try to help them or guide them but do not try to belittle them for something they work hard at doing.
Lets just end this here and now because people do not come here to post looking to get flamed or assaulted, lets be mature and think before we post.
That is all :toast:
Amen.Quote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
It's not impressive when someone is finally getting the knack of putting an almost ordinary nForce board up near the 300 FSB mark and folks want to jump in and crap on the thread.
How many of you putting in your 2 cents worth on the merits of Lastviking's O/C are any where near 300 FSB on YOUR nForce board?
This isn't discussion any more, it's thread crapping, pure and simple. Trying to spice up the crapping with some recommends as to what would make the accomplishment "worthy" in your eyes doesn't matter. Perfumed crap is still crap.
xtremesystems is about respect for each other, not some kind of testosterone contest. Go to [S] if that's your thang.
Well said guys,
In total agreement
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nice one schroet
u hit the nail on the head
Agree, well said schroet :thumbsup:
Totally agree. But what's the point of posting results like this, if you're only goal is to get the highest on some benchmark? An unstable system that can't do anything else isn't proving anything.Quote:
xtremesystems is about respect for each other, not some kind of testosterone contest.
I just think that people should not immediately jump to encourage people to post false results. If you want to talk about community, you are helping to build false expectations for alot of beginner overclockers. That's not helping anyone else in the community.
Remember, criticism can be important too... My point was that posting results on an unstable system was not serving the community.Quote:
...if your not posting something productive to the person posting in regaurds to helping/guiding/commending them, then you shouldn't be posting at all.
I wish I had good enough RAM for this kinda of xtreme overclocking...i tried with my 3200 and got it to post at 2900+ and bench at 2800+. I stuck the whole rig out the window when it was -31F ( yes that is a F for farenheit!) Tommorrow night gonna be -27F but I am working on a chiller and bad ram...so dang i wish i could get involved :(
@wicked:
the point of this is to share experience with others. he was able to get a screenshot at that speed. congrats to him, thats a major feet. i managed a screenshot at 275, congrats for me. ok, now we talk about how it was done and help others try to achieve the same. weather its stable means nothing, he never claimed it was stable! if he had said 2.8gig STABLE, then some comments could be made, but as it is, he is making WR fsb runs here and your bad mouthing. thats poor "sportsmanship" in your part. he has a worldrecord, and hes showing it to us and sharing how he did it, thats why were all here, to learn, not bicker about stability.
nice overclock lastviking. the most i can do stable on my board is 2.766ghz but im at no where near the fsb you are mines 221x12.5 i can run 255fsbx10 but havent tried to get back 2.7 at 255 fsb might try that this week. im also in phase change not air.what bios are you using? and is this with cpc enabled?
How about me sayingQuote:
Originally posted by WiCKeD
Totally agree. But what's the point of posting results like this, if you're only goal is to get the highest on some benchmark? An unstable system that can't do anything else isn't proving anything.
I just think that people should not immediately jump to encourage people to post false results. If you want to talk about community, you are helping to build false expectations for alot of beginner overclockers. That's not helping anyone else in the community.
Remember, criticism can be important too... My point was that posting results on an unstable system was not serving the community.
"Your 3D Mark scores are worth crap"
....How would that feel?
exactly, when someone puts time and effort into producing something and someone comes in (unwanted i might add) and craps on it's not exactly sportsman is it?
He managed to get it to bench sandra it needs a degree of stability to do that alone, i'm not saying its stable but will your system boot at that speed no. Its great achievement imo, maybe not in yours but if you think like that keep it to yourself, your contibution isn't required. Your not criticising, your trolling. It is serving the community but not in a way you believe to be "valid". I see it as a look at the highest bandwidth ive ever seen on an nforce2 board and so do many others.
Next time you feel the need to crap on people, bite your tongue
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PS. I was joking about the 3D Mark thing, was just to make you realise how your being. You probably don't care anyway but again its a joke, i didn't mean it anyother way ;)
In this case, it proves that >250 FSB is a distinct possibility for a non-beginner. That's a start toward revival of the nForce to compete with A64 and Intel once again.Quote:
Originally posted by WiCKeD
Totally agree. But what's the point of posting results like this, if you're only goal is to get the highest on some benchmark? An unstable system that can't do anything else isn't proving anything.
Nothing rings false about Lastviking's accomplishment. Will you also criticize the number one spot holders in 3dmark because their system is almost certainly good for that one #1 run in 3dmark and unstable for most anything else?Quote:
I just think that people should not immediately jump to encourage people to post false results. If you want to talk about community, you are helping to build false expectations for alot of beginner overclockers. That's not helping anyone else in the community.
What community? The beginner community?Quote:
Remember, criticism can be important too... My point was that posting results on an unstable system was not serving the community.
If we're talking about beginners, they are welcome to start threads with their questions. Many of us will take time to help them shed their newness. Lastviking's accomplishment sets the bar but it's not uncommon for a stock DFI to reach and exceed 250FSB so they aren't being done any disservice by seeing what the few can do with this board.
If we're not talking about beginners, what's the point? This community is concerned with the (e)xtreme. Lastviking's accomplishment epitomizes extreme in the same manner as a pifast record or a 3dmark record. It sets the bar.
Ok folks, each has made their point. Now drop it. Not everyone will agree. As said earlier,
I dont want to have to lock the thread due to a few folks pushing flaming here. Ask your question, dont assume, assuming makes an azz outta u and me ;)Quote:
Originally posted by BMORIN
Rather than diss him for not putting up stable screenies, just ASK him what he's able to do 24/7 stable. Benchmarking is not about 24/7 stability, it's about being stable enough to finish the test.
If you're wanting a Prime screenie, just ask, I'm sure he'd put that up when he has time to find what's stable.
Ah yea, one more thing, to the person who reported a post within, I did receive, and am watching the thread. The help is appreciated. ;)
as a person that pretty much started all this and also on behalf of Sai, if i can, i say we're done on the subject...period!