It only took 4 days...

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

you guys keep asking for an enthusiast chipset, when amd is having trouble competing in that section. why dump a bunch of money for the top 10% of the 20% market share they have. its not like their current offering is broken, its just weaker. because of their much smaller size they will have a much smaller offering of options. i do agree with you guys that it would be nice to have more, but i also know that its just not worth the cost and not to expect it.

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Personally i dont think its because of cost or complication, but chaos in amd for the last 2 years.I swear to god 2 years ago ive seen a roadmap with 1090FX chipset on it.Pciex 3.0, theyre part of the consortium, its electrically the same, they are already using it on theyre own gpus.USb 3.0 theyve done already on apu chipsets.
And numbers sell.New stuff sells to morons like me, "its got all the new things, i MUST HAVE IT" ;-) .
Moreover it sells to even less educated people "so my amd gpu has this pci express 3.0, it must be fast, do amd mainboards have this ?No ? Do intel ones have this ? ..."
However, i havent seen any roadmaps with steamroller fx on it.So maybe this future proof discussion is just moot.
AMD really needs get better at communicating with clients.Or ,maybe they havent decided yet.

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I forgot to add, i personally think AMDs AM platform is better than intels approach, and it should be pretty easy to do a drop in replacement just like FX 790->890.

@imamage

is the 8350 already available in HK? SSP or MK?
how much do they sell?

AMD's "we'll have those features when the time is right, now they are not needed" approach has always been interesting. The problem with it is they're in a battle to win back market share and things like not having pcie3 make people think their products aren't as future proof.

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Originally Posted by vario

I swear to god 2 years ago ive seen a roadmap with 1090FX chipset on it.Pciex 3.0, theyre part of the consortium, its electrically the same, they are already using it on theyre own gpus.USb 3.0 theyve done already on apu chipsets.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

AMD's "we'll have those features when the time is right, now they are not needed" approach has always been interesting. The problem with it is they're in a battle to win back market share and things like not having pcie3 make people think their products aren't as future proof.

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Let's face it, those who don't understand the technology and want something because they think it's better when it's of no current value, are easily swayed by which ever way the marketing hype goes, as we see in this thread.

Educated consumers know that PCIe 3.0, DDR4, etc. are of no current value for typical desktop PC use and scrupulous PC hardware reviewers acknowledge this reality. The uninitiated are going to buy into whatever the hype of the week is. That's why I try to get people on forums to do their homework so they don't get duped by empty promises.

As far as AMD winning back market share, that is done primarily via the OEMs who sell 10,000 PCs for every enthusiast CPU/APU purchase. Mainstream consumers don't care if their PC has an Intel, AMD or other brand of CPU/APU. All they care is that the PC does what they need/want it to do and that the PRICE is within their comfort range. The mainstream market segment that doesn't even know who AMD is, is where the sales volume is and where AMD sales will continue to grow.

The enthusiast who does his homework and understands that AMD is currently delivering the best performance for the dollar in the laptop, desktop APU and desktop CPU segments, will be buying and enjoying Trinity laptop, Trinity desktop and Vishera desktop. Those who buy CPUs for running benches 24/7 or a legitimate software application need or those who fail to educate themselves, are likely to over-pay to use an Intel CPU - and that is their choice.

The false perceptions about AMD will continue in the enthusiasts market segment until AMD takes over the absolute highest performing CPU position because many people fail to educate themselves.

amdforme = iworkforamd

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Originally Posted by AMDforME

Let's face it, those who don't understand the technology and want something because they think it's better when it's of no current value, are easily swayed by which ever way the marketing hype goes, as we see in this thread.

Educated consumers know that PCIe 3.0, DDR4, etc. are of no current value for typical desktop PC use and scrupulous PC hardware reviewers acknowledge this reality. The uninitiated are going to buy into whatever the hype of the week is. That's why I try to get people on forums to do their homework so they don't get duped by empty promises.

As far as AMD winning back market share, that is done primarily via the OEMs who sell 10,000 PCs for every enthusiast CPU/APU purchase. Mainstream consumers don't care if their PC has an Intel, AMD or other brand of CPU/APU. All they care is that the PC does what they need/want it to do and that the PRICE is within their comfort range. The mainstream market segment that doesn't even know who AMD is, is where the sales volume is and where AMD sales will continue to grow.

The enthusiast who does his homework and understands that AMD is currently delivering the best performance for the dollar in the laptop, desktop APU and desktop CPU segments, will be buying and enjoying Trinity laptop, Trinity desktop and Vishera desktop. Those who buy CPUs for running benches 24/7 or a legitimate software application need or those who fail to educate themselves, are likely to over-pay to use an Intel CPU - and that is their choice.

The false perceptions about AMD will continue in the enthusiasts market segment until AMD takes over the absolute highest performing CPU position because many people fail to educate themselves.

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I really enjoy playing and talking about AMD hardware, but people like you make me want to ditch the CPUs I have here and go blue instead. Please stop spamming the threads with your marketing talk and just go somewhere else.

Thanks :).

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Originally Posted by massman

I really enjoy playing and talking about AMD hardware, but people like you make me want to ditch the CPUs I have here and go blue instead. Please stop spamming the threads with your marketing talk and just go somewhere else.

Thanks :).

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I realize some folks aren't interested in knowing factual information that may disagree with their POV. It's perfectly fine. I get the same result when I show people that buying over-hyped, over-priced RAM does absolutely nothing to improve the system performance of their PC.

You're perfectily free to buy whatever makes you happy. The facts however don't change rather it be CPU system performance, RAM performance or HSF performance. When you do objective, scientific testing for a living you get to separate fact from fiction daily. Many people in forums just aren't ready to deal with the truth.

BTW, I don't post "marketing talk" and this thread is MY THREAD started to discuss Vishera sales. If you don't like my comments in MY THREAD you are perfectly free to skip all of my threads.

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

amdforme = iworkforamd

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Nope, I have absolutely no association with AMD or any company in the PC industry. I work in engineering and do advanced design and development. I get to differentiate fact from fiction everyday. That doesn't suit many marketing depts. at all... ;)

massman !!! Yes! Bravo man :clap:

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Originally Posted by AMDforME

I realize some folks aren't interested in knowing factual information that may disagree with their POV. It's perfectly fine. I get the same result when I show people that buying over-hyped, over-priced RAM does absolutely nothing to improve the system performance of their PC.

You're perfectily free to buy whatever makes you happy. The facts however don't change rather it be CPU system performance, RAM performance or HSF performance. When you do objective, scientific testing for a living you get to separate fact from fiction daily. Many people in forums just aren't ready to deal with the truth

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Well some of your claims might indeed not account for gaming ( as this mainly GPU dependant ) but I get a nice all round improvement running eg the A10 5800K at 2133 ram divider iso 1333. You mentioned before the iGPU get's a nice boost too with extra ram speed. So plz never generalise, each platform has it's own peculiarities.

And that's exactly where forums like these feed on : TWEAKING ! Getting the most out of your system, being it with high end components or just overclocking cheap stuff to get the same or better performance then the premium parts. Over-priced DDR3 ram is indeed what benchers need, those people want the best and don't want to make any compromises. But higher speeds doesn't necessarily mean expensive, e.g. Kingston's 2400C11 HyperX kit is almost as cheap as a regular 1600MHz C9 kit. Same with the uber cheap Samsung kits, that go way over specs. The percentual performance improvement versus the increased RAM speed might not be great for your statistic point of view, but it gives a bit more performance. And that's what we thrive for... that's our hobby. What do you expect if someone came in and said to you , guys stop wasting your time, just run out of the box, it's better ! I would show you straight the exit, will not allow you to pass start and certainly you will not receive any cash !

Even if you are not related in any way to AMD, comments and posts like you made in this forum, will 200% backfire on you and your favoured brand. Believe me your keen plan to promote AMD stuff will get crushed... wrong post on the wrong forum...

I'm having a blast with AMD in general regarding tweaking, especially with the A10. However for raw power and benching I need the blue toys. If AMD one day gives me better performance for my purposes, I will buy their gear for 2D/3Doverclocking. I'm not a fan boy at all, I like to be objective, the latter absolutely not reflecting from any of your posts...


TIP: plz leave your engineer alike, I-feel-superior to any living creature on this forum comments in the future. Makes you look like a big j*rk...