Also EVGA GTX 670 FTW is a full lenght PCB, almost identical to 680. I think is the one I'll get.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
http://www.evga.com/articles/00678/#2678
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Also EVGA GTX 670 FTW is a full lenght PCB, almost identical to 680. I think is the one I'll get.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
http://www.evga.com/articles/00678/#2678
so is it better to get a short pcb or a longer one ? which card would you guys recommend ?
The VRM on shorter PCB it's ok, i mean it's almost as strenght as GTX 680 VRM if not equal.
But Monstru on lab501 said that the fan it's making vibrations because it's not sitting on pcb, but on plastic continuation of pcb...
Damn, Nvidia sould have put GTX 670 at least on a GTX 460 pcb/cooler.
And the cooler itself it's not that good reaching 80C.
At the same price as reference, 399$ Gigabyte Oc Windorce( 5 phase VRM- GTX 680+ 1 phase missing) + avesome cooler it's the best choice... But stocks will be hard to find of this in the first days.
all else being equal the longer pcb I would think, snagged one of the gigabyte oc boards for myself,Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty
reasoning was triple fan cooler + factory OC + what looks like gtx 680 board @ cost of reference gtx 670
Its a good thing there are some decent aftermarket alternatives available. The reference board and h/s look scary... I'd hate to know what kind of margins they get on those ;)
I gave up on watercooling for now and Id be affraid of using one of those reference boards on air. It reminds me of the 7900gt. I had to replace 4 pairs of them (stock clocks at that) due to lack of quality control (vrms would blow and memory would die). Hopefully this isn't the case because these cards are sure to move in nice volumes if Nvidia can keep the supply up. I'd gladly pay more for a quality reference design (ala the 690) but Nvidia seem content allowing their AIBs meet that demand.
I wonder if AMD has lost any goodwill lately in regards to early pricing and early adopters. I am almost certain, if the gtx 570 and gtx 580 didn't come out first, the 69xx series would of had similar pricing to the 79xx series(the naming shift and early charts eluding to price). It makes you think even the gtx 580 and gtx 570 were well priced at launch because they didn't need a price drop upon competition release. And well, the 79xx series might need to take a $100 price drop this generation and if I bought a 79xx or 78xx, I would certainly think twice about buying the next gen x9xx off of the bat if they priced it like the 7970 or 7870 at launch. AMD is really losing the value namesake that attracted a lot of its current customers to their fold. It is really ironic that Nvidia has been bringing the value lately considering the past with the gtx 280. What makes it even sadder in a way is that the gk104 products are not even value price considering the die size of the product(the naming scheme); it is that AMD has priced and/or clocked their cards extremely poorly for some reason. Did AMD really think the $550 price tag would hold up when it was 10-25% faster than a gtx 580 and how much faster gx104 chips from Nv have appeared over their earlier generations.
If AMD has hopefully learned anything new this generation, I hope it that if your going to raise the pricing bar, you better raise the performance bar a lot higher over the competition. I think AMD got a bit greedy with the 79xx with pricing and performance by clocking the 79xx so low so that it could introduce a mid life kicker like a 7980. Hopefully AMD raises the bar next generation so that we can get true value pricing from both companies this generation.
Has anyone actually seen the Asus card in stock anywhere to buy?... I can't find it anywhere.
Thanks, I didn't spot that one brefore, and for people who prefer exhaust coolers, EVGA are using a custom vapor chamber cooloing on their full range of GTX 670.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
Both the Asus and this EVGA FTW edition weren't available on launch day though.
pretty awesome little card... wanna see those monsters under water
Id recommend Gigabyte or Galaxy / KFA2. The Asus is also great, but not really in stock anywhere yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty
Just look for a full length PCB and a nice chunky dual or triple fan cooler.
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...TX_670/16.htmlQuote:
Another aspect AMD touched on was the availability of their Southern Islands cards, which is sort of a red herring. It is true AMD's 7000 series graphics cards are more readily available in the market, but the fact of the matter is this has nothing to do with production. Instead the issue is Kepler based graphics cards are in high demand. We have talked to a few retailers and the word from them is Kepler is selling at nearly a 4 to 1 ratio over Southern Islands. This leaves plenty of volume available for AMD, but makes it appear as if Nvidia is lacking the same volume,when this is not necessarily the case.
Same thing SkyMTL's been telling people here, and the usual crowd has been flaming him for even suggesting such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
I've been telling people that on other forums too and they just don't want to believe it.
No one wants a 7970 or 7950 now, and barely anyone wants a GTX 680 anymore too. Everyone wants this GTX 670, and for perfectly good reasons too.
what about zotac is it any good ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yea the custom cooled Zotac that I posted pictures of is a good one too, so is the custom Palit Jetstream and EVGA FTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty
Just make sure its not a reference short PCB version if you are looking for a good one, easy as that. 8 + 6 pin isn't really too important as shown by the Asus card, you just need a good PCB and cooler.
One custom design to make sure to avoid is the Gainward Phantom - they are using the reference PCB and charging the same as the Asus card (£20 more than the KFA2 EX OC, £15 more than Gigabyte windforce).
Don't buy that, its far too overpriced for an overkill cooler on top of a rubbish reference PCB. I've noticed that Gainward hardly ever build higher quality PCBs, or cherry pick chips, all they do is put a fancy cooler on a reference board and charge an excessive amount more than any of the other manufacturers who are making better quality PCBs too.
on some other forums I've read that long pcb is defected version of gtx680. So to sell 680 nvidia neutered it. I don't know how true it is. Perhaps someone can enlighten me :)
That's just clown talk, manufacturers don't make 'defective PCBs', the only difference between the 680 and 670 is one disabled shader unit, and thats it. PCB build quality is manufacturer specific, and none of EVGA, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte and Galaxy make anything other than the best qualiy PCBs possible for their custom designs. Other manufacturers I tend to personally avoid because they aren't as reputable, and this is the first time I've added Galaxy / KFA2 to my list because their custom cards released so far have been nothing less than the best possible quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty
thank you for clearing all that :) will get giga or zotac or asus
The Gigabyte GTX670 OC is the same price as reference 670s and looks to be on a GTX680 PCB, or at least better than the 670 reference PCB, and has a pretty nice custom cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty
Edit- Looks like it is already OOS on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125423
The US price on that Gigabyte makes me :(
Yep, I have a pair incoming tomorrow from Amazon (each at MSRP, overnight prime shipping already in transit) :D. The gigabyte OC model has the 8+6pin power, 5-phase VRM with dedicated heatsink, GTX 680 pcb, quieter cooling, better temperatures with custom hsf, and a stock OC that puts it on par with a GTX 680 (around 1190-1200mhz boost out of the box!). Plus it runs the exact same cost ($399.99) as a reference GTX 670... it's a great deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
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Originally Posted by LordEC911
My bad - I picked up the last two. $399 seems like a hell of a bargain. :-) Giggity!
Wow, what a card. This is a great sign of things to come. Considering I am only one generation behind, I cannot wait to see what the next generation brings.