XSPC H1 Cube not so good

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

The problem with most cases that claim to be water cooling cases such as Corsair, Lian Li and even Silverstone is you are limited to the amount of rads you can put in it. For most this is not an issue as a single triple rad and dual rad will cool the average computer better than air coolers. The problem is if you want to do a build with large rads, multiple loops or multiple pumps you are very limited with the standard tower type case. Granted, from a "Cool looking" perspective a cube is not great, but you do not have to worry about modding it to fit various rads, multiple pumps or several hard drives. With a tower you have to sacrifice something in order to gain water cooling room, just that simple. Look at the 800d, you have to remove the lower cage and cut the bottom in order to fit a second rad. The TJ07 has to be modded, hence is why there is Murdermod, in order to get several rads in there and you lose HD spots. With Case Labs, MM or even the XSPC case you can fit three triple rads without modding, a couple pumps and various other gear. They are not perfect, but Case Labs has definitely improved upon the "Cube" idea. Even though the XSPC case is pretty much a MM UF2O knock off, they made some interesting refinements to their case. As much as I hate wire management in my MM cases, I love the fact it has a horizontal MB tray and has plenty of room and it's modular. I like the Case Labs better, but I already have the MM case, so switching to them would be a tough choice for me. It really comes down to what is important to you, if you want to make a fashion statement then the "Cube" is not for you, get a Lian Li case or Betfinix case and have fun, but if you want room to do stuff, then the "Cube is the way to go.

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I think almost every build on this site is trying to make a fashion statement. No one here is braiding their cables or using expensive bitfinix fittings for aerodynamics or thermal performance they want it to look cool while remaining functional.

I agree with you that normal cases are not well suited to large water cooling builds with multiple radiators but I still think just using some really quickly cut bits of metal and having them joined together in the most basic way possible and then charging the prices that they are is taking a liberty.

What we really need is for some premium case makers to design a large water cooling case with all the finite detail we expect from a normal case I'm talking reset switches, power switches, Power and HD LED's, riveted together chassis and only using thumb screws where it makes sense instead of using them to hold the entire case together.

Of course cases are very subjective and I'm sure many people absolutely love the look of the Mountain Mods cases and they probably see a lot of potential in them for modding and paint jobs and so on. I however don't see that when I look at them I just see something very cheap with an insane price tag and in the case of the XSPC versions not even a well made end result as this thread has shown.

I think the biggest surprise is for all that money spent on this XSPC case the support is non-existent. It's like paying for a Porsche and receiving only the key fob and then calling up the company that sold it to you only for them to say hey not our problem talk to Porsche.

I love how this goes from a thread about my dismay on quality control of a product to scrutinizing my case choice. Gotta love all the trolls that come out of the wood work, especially by sub 100 post / non contributing users.

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Originally Posted by Vicey

I think almost every build on this site is trying to make a fashion statement. No one here is braiding their cables or using expensive bitfinix fittings for aerodynamics or thermal performance they want it to look cool while remaining functional.

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I think you are also assuming that people do take style over substance here when they do their builds and I can probably say that it doesn't not factor into 90% of the builders here. I am pretty sure that people still want functionality/performance over looks. I'm pretty sure that yes sleeving is probably a little excessive for cable management but for someone who never saw the point of it and then finally doing it, it does make cable management some what easier in the grand scheme of things and does add aesthetics into the mix.

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Originally Posted by Vicey

Of course cases are very subjective and I'm sure many people absolutely love the look of the Mountain Mods cases and they probably see a lot of potential in them for modding and paint jobs and so on. I however don't see that when I look at them I just see something very cheap with an insane price tag and in the case of the XSPC versions not even a well made end result as this thread has shown.

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Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but i'm sure many of the builders/modders here would disagree with you. And as for the XSPC, it's bad quality control issue and not an overall crap product, where I don't want to go out on a limb and defend XSPC because of the poor customer service I received on my issue I'm not gonna lie and say that it was an outright horrible product. The panels are pretty thick albeit i'd rather have the heft and durability that comes with the steel that Cooler Master uses on the HAF-X for the metal work but I can guarentee it would probably alot more expensive.

There are a few things that need to be addressed with the case, but I don't think these faults make it a absolutely horrible case from the way you put it.

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

The problem with most cases that claim to be water cooling cases such as Corsair, Lian Li and even Silverstone is you are limited to the amount of rads you can put in it. For most this is not an issue as a single triple rad and dual rad will cool the average computer better than air coolers. The problem is if you want to do a build with large rads, multiple loops or multiple pumps you are very limited with the standard tower type case. Granted, from a "Cool looking" perspective a cube is not great, but you do not have to worry about modding it to fit various rads, multiple pumps or several hard drives. With a tower you have to sacrifice something in order to gain water cooling room, just that simple. Look at the 800d, you have to remove the lower cage and cut the bottom in order to fit a second rad. The TJ07 has to be modded, hence is why there is Murdermod, in order to get several rads in there and you lose HD spots. With Case Labs, MM or even the XSPC case you can fit three triple rads without modding, a couple pumps and various other gear. They are not perfect, but Case Labs has definitely improved upon the "Cube" idea. Even though the XSPC case is pretty much a MM UF2O knock off, they made some interesting refinements to their case. As much as I hate wire management in my MM cases, I love the fact it has a horizontal MB tray and has plenty of room and it's modular. I like the Case Labs better, but I already have the MM case, so switching to them would be a tough choice for me. It really comes down to what is important to you, if you want to make a fashion statement then the "Cube" is not for you, get a Lian Li case or Betfinix case and have fun, but if you want room to do stuff, then the "Cube is the way to go.

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I do agree with Utnorris on this 100% he hit it on the nail head. Also from what I saw with the Case Labs M8 it costs about $395 and it can fit maybe 3 triple radiators? And if you want to install more, guess what? you have to spend another $159 to buy the pedestal which will give you space for 2 more triple radiators and if you want to run radiators up top you need to buy the extended cover top for another $65. Lets see thats $619 to have somewhere near the same amount of radiator space as the XSPC cube/MM cube and you still are limited with the options of where you can put them. I also didn't have to pay $20 for each window on 2 of my panels and $7.95 for an SSD HD tray.

@ Vicey: I'd also like to point out the fact that I own the product which puts me in a position to make realistic comments about it rather then you who sees it on a website and states it looks like crap. (Not to those exact words, but I'm sure you get the drift)

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Originally Posted by ohms

I love how this goes from a thread about my dismay on quality control of a product to scrutinizing my case choice.

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I see it the same way....thread has lived its life.

Thread closed. Ohms, send me a PM if you want the thread re-opened, but I don't see this thread climbing back up Quality Hill.