140mm Fan Testing on a HWlabs SR1 Radiator Round 7

I'll be Home on Friday, I'll ship it ASAP.

I really want to see how these test. Even if only to 12v, I'd hope it would kick in cfm vs db against the other 140's. Should run 1250/1300 @12, guessing as no tach(
Do you have any way to give them the full 24v? I'd send a Meanwell along, but don't have one yet.

At this point I have no idea if it will show GT results at the rpm most people are running. Only testing proves:up:

But they are a cool piece of kit, and I want it back:lol2: I have 3 and dam I wish it was 5.
5 of these on a GTX 560 would be serious cooling power. Since they work so good @ 12v I'm putting them on a PA140.3. Still working on the case to put it in:rolleyes:

Thanks again Martin for your service to all of us, and apparently Scythe & Nidec.

The results speak for them selfs. I still like SanAce fans:) But this testing has open my eyes to Delta of all things:shocked:
Very interested in procuring an M speed 120x38 to hear for myself.

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Originally Posted by the finisher

I'll be Home on Friday, I'll ship it ASAP.

I really want to see how these test. Even if only to 12v, I'd hope it would kick in cfm vs db against the other 140's. Should run 1250/1300 @12, guessing as no tach(
Do you have any way to give them the full 24v? I'd send a Meanwell along, but don't have one yet.

At this point I have no idea if it will show GT results at the rpm most people are running. Only testing proves:up:

But they are a cool piece of kit, and I want it back:lol2: I have 3 and dam I wish it was 5.
5 of these on a GTX 560 would be serious cooling power. Since they work so good @ 12v I'm putting them on a PA140.3. Still working on the case to put it in:rolleyes:

Thanks again Martin for your service to all of us, and apparently Scythe & Nidec.

The results speak for them selfs. I still like SanAce fans:) But this testing has open my eyes to Delta of all things:shocked:
Very interested in procuring an M speed 120x38 to hear for myself.

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Great! Yes, I have a mastech variable PSU, I'll have to pull the fan controller out for a second test above 12v, but I can do that. Up to 30v if you want..:)

Have been running d14sl's on my sr1-420 for 5 months now and have been very pleased with them. I was looking for a near silent pc and run them at 600rpm and get great temps. Price to performance on them is very high at just £4 per fan here in the uk. Great work as ever Martin.

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

I don't think any of them had a shroud benefit.

My guess is shrouds really don't change noise level/CFM much, if anything maybe sound quality, but I doubt it does much of anything for noise level.

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eliminating deadspace and lowering noise levels.

then again this testing was on heatercores which were particularly restrictive to begin with. I think Cathar actually used a car HVAC squirrel cage blower for some of his testing of his blocks.

How is the max CFM on the PPCS Yate Loon lower than the min?

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

Great! Yes, I have a mastech variable PSU, I'll have to pull the fan controller out for a second test above 12v, but I can do that. Up to 30v if you want..:)

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That would be great, that variable PSU is a toy I'd like to have :yepp:
Could I bother you to post a pic of it?

Sanyo Denki rates these 20.4~27.6vdc, says they have motor protection system. Should be good to 28v. Beyond that:shrug: Anyone think they can go to 30v?
Already know they go way below 20.4, excited to see how low.

Should be an a interesting curve 5/7v to 28/30v:up:


Here are the published specs for this fan. Model-109L1424H102, Voltage-20.4~27.6, Amps-0.37, Edit:Watts-8.88, RPM-2600, Free air CFM-159,
Max static press Pa-98:) , db-46, Grams-600,Edit: MTBF-100,000 hrs.
Edit: Price- $96, minimum order of 24, 96 day wait.

Leaving SLC now, be home in 21 hours, I'll send it ASAP

Want to get it there before She shuts this down :lol: I've got a half-built on the Kitchen table at home now :argue:

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by the finisher

Sanyo Denki rates these 20.4~27.6vdc, says they have motor protection system. Should be good to 28v. Beyond that:shrug: Anyone think they can go to 30v?

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The question is, can your ears go that far? :D

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Here are the published specs for this fan. Model-109L1424H102, Voltage-20.4~27.6, Amps-0.37, Watts-3.84, RPM-2600, Free air CFM-159, Max static press Pa-98:) , db-46, Grams-600.

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no way it can get 160CFM with just 2600 RPM and under 4 Watts!!
thats quite nuts

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Originally Posted by the finisher

That would be great, that variable PSU is a toy I'd like to have :yepp:
Could I bother you to post a pic of it?

Sanyo Denki rates these 20.4~27.6vdc, says they have motor protection system. Should be good to 28v. Beyond that:shrug: Anyone think they can go to 30v?
Already know they go way below 20.4, excited to see how low.

Should be an a interesting curve 5/7v to 28/30v:up:


Here are the published specs for this fan. Model-109L1424H102, Voltage-20.4~27.6, Amps-0.37, Watts-3.84, RPM-2600, Free air CFM-159, Max static press Pa-98:) , db-46, Grams-600.

Leaving SLC now, be home in 21 hours, I'll send it ASAP

Want to get it there before She shuts this down :lol: I've got a half-built on the Kitchen table at home now :argue:

:rofl:

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This is what I have, works well other that loud clicks when switching which is why I use the fan controller when testing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MASTECH-REGULATE...item35ae5136ee

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Originally Posted by jadawgis732

How is the max CFM on the PPCS Yate Loon lower than the min?

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Good question, spreadsheet operator error..:) You can get the right numbers here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...91&postcount=8

Just sent Martin a pm about these

.......if you don't mind making an adapter the flat sides might make it possible to push them together on a rad

http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/...TS/AFB1524L-A/

or

http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/...TS/AFB1512M-A/

Edit: more on those http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/d...2x150x25mm.pdf

Thinking about use on a 140mm rad but all this testing has given me the bug to find a fan that will overlap the performance of the ap15's and the afb1212

So, shroud makers ...any thoughts

If we are speaking about some adapters/shrouds imho more interesting would be to test TY-140 fans which shown best cfm/db results in Jordan's test. Unfortunately with 120mm fan mounting holes :/

I have some Thermalright X-Silent fans mounted on my HWL SR-1 with shrouds made of el-cheapo 140mm fans that i mutilated. The TR fans are just excellent. They are mounted vertically so i guess that's why i didnt get the rubbing sound (sleeve bearings, i guess they dont like being mounted horizontally). They have been functioning almost nonstop for about a year now, and they didnt degrade in sound. They compare very well with my GT's...

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

no way it can get 160CFM with just 2600 RPM and under 4 Watts!!
thats quite nuts

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Your quite right, tired when I transcribed the pdf, got the wrong line. Edited it to 8.88 watts. Kinda an easy error to make if you look at the pdf on a lappy:)
At 2600rpm I have no doubt it moves 159cfm free air, considering how much air other SanAce 120's move at the same rpm.:fact:

Obviously these were not engineered to run @ 12v let alone 5.
And although they work well at 12v, imo they loose there efficiency quickly below that, probably sooner as we shall see.

The fact they even run that low was a trip to me;) I bought one[$25], tried it out @ 12v and down on a Scythe fan controller.
Then I tried to buy 10 more, they only had two:/

I fully expect this fan to get spanked by the GT's low db, at the air velocity's most of us run. A bunch of moving air is gona make some noise;)


Here's the pdf: http://www.q-tech.hu/pdf/SanyoDenki/...1046673593.pdf

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Originally Posted by zalbard

The question is, can your ears go that far? :D

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Doubt I'll ever run them much more than half speed on a rad.[10 to 16v] They are quiet in my subjective testing, even compared to many other fans I've personally listened to.

I just want to see the great big curve, compared to the others:D

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Originally Posted by OldChap

So, shroud makers ...any thoughts

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All my rads are using the stock Thermochill shrouds, imo they do increase airflow/lower db with my "large hub" San Ace fans.

My Pa160's have huge shrouds,and work very well w/a 120 fan. I was going to mod them to fit 140's, but already very difficult to mount several in a case.
I'm working on it:yepp:

I like the amount of air being moved, not silent, never expected it.

I'm buying GT's for that:up:

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

This is what I have, works well other that loud clicks when switching which is why I use the fan controller when testing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MASTECH-REGULATE...item35ae5136ee

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Thanks Martin:up:

Should be interesting to see how a industrial 140x38 stacks up.
If it's not great, or at least good, none of the other industrial 140s can be considered, especially with the huge price they all have.

OK, I got the last of the 140's done, but again having trouble with my check in.

I played around with coming up with a correction factor I can use below.

It appears to be purely a CFM error with my anemometer is for whatever reason is reading higher. Perhaps I blew some dust off the hotwire, or I had a kink in the cord? I'm not sure other than this is fairly consistently giving me higher CFM readings similar to my round 6 120mm fans vs round 7.

Question:
Start a new round with separate results, or correct the round 9 results and combine with round 7?

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1...h2cfmerror.png

This is what I get if I correct the check in per the correction factor:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/863...2corrected.png

I obviously can't correct the videos, but I can correct the charts to match based on the yate loon results baseline fan comparison.

Correct and combine or new separate round?:shrug:

I'd vote for combining, simply because imho 35% of usability of test results comes from results in one review/test, instead of hunting through several ones and manually comparing numbers to make choice. That's why i'll always be for as-many-as-possible-fans-in-one-review.

I vote for correction.

I should be good enough, given all the variables we already have from one persons setup to another's:2cents:

Alright, I'll start processing the corrected version so we have something to compare. It's not a bunch of fans, just keep in mind the video comparison will be off by up to 2CFM (30FPM).

San Ace 140L

Thanks to "the finisher" for sponsoring this fan!:clap:

It did really well on the noise level side of things, pretty well across the board, but it really doesn't take off until 10V where there is a clear jog in the profile. Regarding noise quality, it is similar to most 38mm fans and a bit ticky at lower volts and eventually smoothing out as it nears it's intended high end voltage limit. This is fairly subjective as usual and highly depends on the actual installation location and amount of masking ambient noise.



VIDEO LINK
Is not corrected and should be only compared to other videos identified as round 9. Do not compare air flow levels between R6 and 9, there is a good 30FPM error present between the two batches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PolMkhEwzZ8

Note the charted results are corrected (Reduced CFM by 1-2CFM due to the check in error).

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/591/sanace.jpg

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/8160/sanacefront.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4430/sanace.png

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2877/sanacevsall.png


And now for the PSU 12V+ Test
Time to unleash the power...:eek:

Still getting loud as any fan this strong does, but the noise curve is fairly flat and the noise quality smooths out considerably. This is what it was designed for and does the job exceptionally well. Nearly doubles most 140mm fans in actual CFM output.:up:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/280/sanace25v.png

That last one, +12:D That's the curve I wanted to see.:bravo:

Starts just below 5v, I knew this but SWEET!
Maybe I do need some more of these:idea:

EVERCOOL EC1402512EA

Sponsored by "the finisher", thanks!!

An excellent fan, particularly at 11-12V where it even edged the mighty San Ace by a hair in noise level. Noise quality was mostly good with the exception of a weird intermittent vibration at 10V. This one didn't quite have as much power as the Aerocool Shark, but it's a bit quieter(-3dbA at the top end) and I think smoother in sound than the shark at the same CFM level.

An excellent fan in noise level and quality, particularly at 11-12V:up:

VIDEO LINK (Uncorrected Round 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-U5X-L7X-M

And the corrected (Round 9 > Round 7) charted results:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8770/evercool.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8...rcoolfront.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8076/evercool.png

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6...rcoolvsall.png

Thanks for testing Martin:up:

Martin: why not add back to combined chart GT+adapter? :)

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Thanks for testing Martin:up:

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Thanks for sponsoring the fans...both really good fans:up:

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Originally Posted by churchy

Martin: why not add back to combined chart GT+adapter? :)

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I have one more XION fan to go, and I also need to do that shroud testing before I'll be satisfied with combining them.:up: