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No PAT is worth ~20fsb of performance for me.Quote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
hey, this is like to compare a 875P whit a 865PE, clock for clock the 875P wins whit is PAT, but if you go like 5FSB higher whit the 865PE the PE will win;). Thats my point
ok so i will say 20FSB;). Its was only to explain the point.
Not sure it's quite that much though I do agree abit performs better than DFI as a former NF7-S guy myself. But which bios do you make this statement on for as much as 20....Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
welll its not 5fsb with the infinity...it takes like >20 more fsb to match the nf7-s
I get a big hit from 12/31 compared to 12/10 and 12/18 so I stopped using Command per clock in it. I got my points back and then some. This is like 600 points which also would take a lot of fsb headroom to get back. 20 fsb difference even with CPC on in 12/31 or at least instead utilizing 12/10 or 12/18? Important distinctiion becuase then I think 20 might even be a conservative estimate if you mean 12/31 with CPC disabled. Otherwise, too much.
Can anyone do a similar run on any recorded NF7S scores (from maybe an older setup you had) on record at some fsb >200 vrs. infinity? I would but my scores dont have quite as much info as I'd like. I also cant get as good clocks out of my VC anymore so its hard to tell and do a fair comparison. I tried to do a compare at 228 but no luck with finding a good repeatable bench. So many had NF7S's and now this you'd think it would be easy.
I think daishi is right w/ 20FSB. sorry
well you can reach 250's with the 18 or 10 bios when you sink the MOSFETs.
needless to say, it is EXTREMELY FAST.:slobber:
Hey, what are you implying? :mad: I openly admit that he beat my record outright... Why would you make such a lowblow even before I even posted a reply to this thread? :confused: :(Quote:
Originally posted by cowpuppy
Congrats :toast: Now lets see some 3D benchies
I don't know xduck is pertty touchy on his fsb reacord, probably tied it any ways. ;)
hehe we still love you xduckx.
however xduckx, i bet you beat him 3dmarks01 benchmarks even if he had a 9800pro oc'd
DFI overclocks very high bc of its voltage options.Quote:
Originally posted by bias_hjorth
damn nice score there viking. :toast:
I wonder what makes the DFI oc that high...
No offence, but you know what about this? Or are you his spokesman?:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by skate2snow
I think daishi is right w/ 20FSB. sorry
Asking him because we both had NF7S's and want some of his input becaue I know its different just not how much. Can't duplicate my old recorded scores but I either dont have enough info, and also I cant get my cpu as high with only 2v, and my card just dont OC as well as some other runs in the past.
No offence sk8. It's just I've noticed your quite the intel fan and I just dont know if you've had the experience with the NF2 platforms to compare two boards when we are talking about a couple hundred marks.
No offence xduck, didn't mean it to come off as a low blow either.............I was just rembering back to another thread............maybe it was some bad humor.
22,890 :)Quote:
Originally posted by Alex08
hehe we still love you xduckx.
however xduckx, i bet you beat him 3dmarks01 benchmarks even if he had a 9800pro oc'd
The DFI slower per-clock is just the 12-31, and perhaps the 12-18.
I know with a sinked board the 12-10 FLIES.
I dont know how many of you have a Barton at 11x200 and a 9700 Pro, but with a DFI board that will land 17,400 stock. Which is huge and better than what the NF7-S will do unless it has serious OS advantages.
Or to those well versed in 3DMark 2k1, it brings the 3200+ chip up to 92 FPS Car High. Which is anywhere from 5-2 FPS higher than an equivalent NF7-S.
S.A.E has some side-by-side compares with his NF7 and Infinity scores, someone should point him this way for a true comparison.
Single sided sticks dont support 4-bank interleving, or at least thats what i've heard before...
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
The DFI slower per-clock is just the 12-31, and perhaps the 12-18.
I know with a sinked board the 12-10 FLIES.
I dont know how many of you have a Barton at 11x200 and a 9700 Pro, but with a DFI board that will land 17,400 stock. Which is huge and better than what the NF7-S will do unless it has serious OS advantages.
Or to those well versed in 3DMark 2k1, it brings the 3200+ chip up to 92 FPS Car High. Which is anywhere from 5-2 FPS higher than an equivalent NF7-S.
S.A.E has some side-by-side compares with his NF7 and Infinity scores, someone should point him this way for a true comparison.
I would like someone to prove it...I am interested in buying a NF7(non s or maybe s,I don't think s performs better) or an infinity,so...
What kind of FSB's can you get with those BIOSes though?Quote:
Originally posted by Iolao
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.
A lot of guys were running high 240-250's with 10, seems that sinking a few mosfets made a huge difference.
BTW, duck, check out a new modded 10 thats out. Someone threw in the DFI timings and BIOS options.
Still not as strong per clock but Shroomalistic hit 10x260 with it and nearly passed 4000 Sandra.
I have to say DFI vs the Abit , the NF7-S is faster clock for clock, just judging from my comparison with SAE's and numerous other dude's results.. but to find a high FSB NF7-S is a bit tedious @ times
comparing with SAE's 11x255 run, we both have similar card clocks and CPU clocks, but 255 vs 242 FSB, the NF7-S is just 4 fps behind in lobby low..
btw xDUCK, ur drago looks very very stuffed up for those clocks...
DFI = most consistent high FSB board, but slower clock for clock
well maybe the infinity can outperform the nf7s just by shear consistancy and higher fsb.
it seems clear that its differant for differant peoples setups which board or bios is best.
but i see a theme, nf7 is faster at the same clocks, but the infinty will get higher fsb and make up for the slowness, thus breaking even or slightely faster, or slightely slower, depending on your setup.
can we agree on that? for the most part at least.
Ok Ok,
I havnt posted for a while on any forums anywhere, been way too busy, but I need to say a few things with regards to all the comments being made abt the NF7 and the DFI nforce2 brds (revB's of course).
First and foremost NO TWO BOARDS OF THE SAME TYPE ARE THE SAME. Very sorry for the capital letters but from what I have been reading the majority of peeps are making the assumption that all NF7 or all Infinities are the same this is incorrect. This applies to ALL compnents. This has been mentioned by other peeps many times be4 but i thought it needed mentioning again.
Next, to at least be able to compare the two together the platforms need to be IDENTICAL the only difference being the motherbrd. This also includes the OS; drivers need to be the same, installed in the same order, same patches etc etc.
The only results I i trust from what i have read are those which have been made by peeps who have had both the NF7 and the DFI brd. At the moment this is Iolao and SAE. I trust their judgement on the installation of the OS and also that they are using the same components in their comparissons.
Their results show that the DFI brds are clock to clock better then the NF7 providing they use the 'strongest' bios available for the DFI brds. Ofcouse 'better' is dependent on what YOU want the brd to be better at!
Ofcourse this isnt enuff to make a definite comparisson and im sure this argument will go on for a long time. Their are far too many different opinions out their made with different hardware configurations, different bioses, and different levels of tweaking and mods.
Mr Icee has shown that on a specific platform that the NF7 is showing to be a better perofrmer then the DFI brds, but this is HIS analysis which looking at the amount of peeps out their with DFI brds their sure is a large chance that other peeps will have similar results.
So this is my message to those of you who want to make statements saying which of the two is better. Please dont base your assumptions on scattered information found arnd this and many other forums. If you want to say which one is better as a definitive statement provide proof and your reasoning. Proof for me being side to side comparisson of both brds together in a controlled test environment.
Personally im not in a position to have an opinion on this, when i get my infinity i will post results side by side. I think the Infinity will have a hard time beating my NF7 in 3dmark, i seem to have a excellent NF7 brd for
- 3DMark2001 -
Until then my conclusions are drawn from Iolao and SAE and any others who can provide side by side comparissons.
Thanxs for those who have read my post and understood my points.
L8rz
mongoled
-EDIT-
Damn i forgot why i read this thread in the first place. Congratulations dude, thats a fantastic fsb speed and excellent bandwidth
:toast:
keep the goodwork up
Do you have a link for that bios? - I'm very interested ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
A lot of guys were running high 240-250's with 10, seems that sinking a few mosfets made a huge difference.
BTW, duck, check out a new modded 10 thats out. Someone threw in the DFI timings and BIOS options.
Still not as strong per clock but Shroomalistic hit 10x260 with it and nearly passed 4000 Sandra.
I have to correct myself on 3dmark difference: it's 200 points, I just checked the results I had written down on some paper. I didn't test latest bios beta most people are using now, but if it disables command per clock and decreases performance, that's not my way. I'm gonna working on 12/10 bios for the moment, trying to go ahead and solve voltage problems by modding.
xDuck: I'm limited to 247 3dmark benchable tight timings; it seems a low ram voltage stopping me, so a vmem should help, I will look into this as soon as I have spare time.
to all: as for comparison, I will replicate my 3dmark score in signature with DFI (same all: OS, drivers, bios settings) but I need first to do vcore mod as my cpu can't keep that otherwise.
-tictac modded bios deleted-
yes the total 3dmark score, but i think if you look at the lobby tests, the nf7 will win.Quote:
Originally posted by Iolao
I agree. As I stated in another thread dfi infinity is FASTER with 12/10 beta bios than nf7-s. I have both the boards (well I HAD abit, no longer now) and I tested at 240x10 with same settings to compare: the infinity board flies and blows away the abit in 3dmark bandwith tests, the final score is 250/300 points higher. I didn't try 12/18 and 12/31 bioses so cannot say anything about them.
and yea weres a link to that bios?
I clearly remember all bandwith tests like lobby hi and car hi were sensibly higher, otherwise how come that higher total score?Quote:
Originally posted by Daishi
yes the total 3dmark score, but i think if you look at the lobby tests, the nf7 will win.
and yea weres a link to that bios?