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11-10-2010, 08:03 AM
FlanK3r

I looked oficiall slide about AM3+ for some months ago...So I am meaning, Informal saying true :)
11-10-2010, 08:38 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

I've still haven't seen any official slide or confirmation about so called socket AM3+.

Oh I'm quite certain that AM3+ will be used for Zambezi.

My point was that a couple of things hints us that Komodo will need a new socket again. Either that, or AMD makes different dies for Sepang with PCIe 3.

AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Komodo in the slides, even though it should be AM3+ according to all people in this thread (except me ;)).
11-10-2010, 08:40 AM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Oh I'm quite certain that AM3+ will be used for Zambezi.

My point was that a couple of things hints us that Komodo will need a new socket again. Either that, or AMD makes different dies for Sepang with PCIe 3.

AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Komodo in the slides, even though it should be AM3+ according to all people in this thread (except me ;)).

If you include PCI-e into the socket, Socket AM2(+) / AM3(+) are not compatible.
11-10-2010, 09:00 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Oh I'm quite certain that AM3+ will be used for Zambezi.

My point was that a couple of things hints us that Komodo will need a new socket again. Either that, or AMD makes different dies for Sepang with PCIe 3.

AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Komodo in the slides, even though it should be AM3+ according to all people in this thread (except me ;)).

AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Zambezi in the slides as well. What we know is only guessing and gossip.
11-10-2010, 09:35 AM
MAS

why does AMD launch desktop BD chips before server at that time?
11-10-2010, 09:54 AM
generics_user

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAS

why does AMD launch desktop BD chips before server at that time?

server platform validation i guess
11-10-2010, 10:33 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

I've still haven't seen any official slide or confirmation about so called socket AM3+.

and:

"“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it? four-, six-, or eight-core 32-nm AM3 socket desktop processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market. Planned for introduction: 1H 2011"

source

So maybe there won't be any AM3+ for Zambezi.

That is a typo, I sent a message over to the person responsible to get it fixed.
11-10-2010, 10:34 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAS

why does AMD launch desktop BD chips before server at that time?

Everybody takes turns being first. Their schedules lined up before ours. Sometimes we are first, sometimes they are.
11-10-2010, 10:44 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Everybody takes turns being first. Their schedules lined up before ours. Sometimes we are first, sometimes they are.

and sometimes people who are greedy fall down stairs, lol
its all business, i understand

more serious, i expect that server side will be a little longer as you guys make sure it comes out of the gate full optimized, while client side is much more forgiving if you release 90% of what you expected day one, with the goal shortly after (kinda like PII 920/940 being just DRR2 with no DDR3 support, which was quickly changed a little later)
11-10-2010, 10:46 AM
JkS

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Everybody takes turns being first. Their schedules lined up before ours. Sometimes we are first, sometimes they are.

I bet AMD realised that the enthusiasts like us create the hype for the server guys and wet their appetites to buy the chips :cool:
11-10-2010, 11:02 AM
JF-AMD

Did anyone not read what I said?
11-10-2010, 11:11 AM
Sgt.McRuff

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Did anyone not read what I said?

I did and thank you for all the info.:up:
11-10-2010, 01:06 PM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by qcmadness

If you include PCI-e into the socket, Socket AM2(+) / AM3(+) are not compatible.

That's what I've been trying to say...
11-10-2010, 02:20 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

That's what I've been trying to say...

and you know everything about how much pins amd needs to do this and that .....

let the engineers do their work and admire their design when it comes in stores ....

ohh and also there was rumors that Llano will get its own socket .. so maybe the 2nd bulldozer with the apu will get its own socket for the client side ... its a maybe .. but im saying .. until we know all the final specs .. its speculation .... and nothing else ...
11-10-2010, 03:13 PM
Mats

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

and you know everything about how much pins amd needs to do this and that .....

Having a bad day?
Have I even mentioned pins? What's your problem?:confused:

I'm just speculating just like everyone else, but I find it unlikely that AMD will keep the separate NB for next gen client BD, and integrate the PCIe for the server counterpart.
11-10-2010, 03:28 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Did anyone not read what I said?

hehe as you know John, reading and understanding are two very different things
:D
11-10-2010, 03:46 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Having a bad day?
Have I even mentioned pins? What's your problem?:confused:

I'm just speculating just like everyone else, but I find it unlikely that AMD will keep the separate NB for next gen client BD, and integrate the PCIe for the server counterpart.

aww yes this thread was created solely to speculate ...

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Just to keep speculation at bay, here is what was actually said:

http://budurl.com/FAD2010Bulldozer
11-10-2010, 05:03 PM
BrowncoatGR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Komodo in the slides, even though it should be AM3+ according to all people in this thread (except me ;)).

Komodo is definitely not a certainty. Given that AMD will release a new server platform for it, it is certainly possible it might need a new socket on the desktop as well
11-10-2010, 05:23 PM
informal

Who's to say that new AM3+ boards are not designed with Komodo(and possible PCIex integration) in mind? AMD did similar thing with MC&BD and G34/C32,compatibility wise.They designed the platform for future MPUs and their (more) advanced feature sets.
11-10-2010, 09:10 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Who's to say that new AM3+ boards are not designed with Komodo(and possible PCIex integration) in mind? AMD did similar thing with MC&BD and G34/C32,compatibility wise.They designed the platform for future MPUs and their (more) advanced feature sets.

exactly ;)

amd might have designed them together ... or they might not .. but the only thing we know is codenames ... and the type of products ... cant wait for the sweet new execution planned from amd :D

new product each year sounds sweet
11-11-2010, 12:37 AM
madcho

Zacate is on sale, any performance about bobcat seen somewhere ?
11-11-2010, 01:48 AM
sergiojr

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Originally Posted by informal

Who's to say that new AM3+ boards are not designed with Komodo(and possible PCIex integration) in mind?

Well, Komodo can be used is AM3+ boards if AMD will not be ready with new enthusiast platform in time. AMD has done that before with AM2+ Phenom II. It is possible if Komodo is a cut-down version of 10-core server chip, that has both HT-link and integrated PCIe. Then integrated PCIe controller can be disabled and HT-link can be used for communication.
But I doubt that this will happen if AMD will succeed in preparing new platform with integrated PCIe in time as disabling of integrated PCIe looks like serious crippling of processor to me.
11-11-2010, 05:50 AM
Sampsa

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

"Enhanced" and "next generation" are not products, they are labels. There are actual product code names under them.

Thanks for your answer even though I didn't fully understand it :)

One slide shows Komodo and Trinity being based on Next Generation Bulldozer architecture in 2012 and another slide showing Next Generation Bulldozer coming in 2013 :) How can there be products in 2012 based on architecture coming in 2013 :)
11-11-2010, 07:12 AM
Shadov

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

Thanks for your answer even though I didn't fully understand it :)

One slide shows Komodo and Trinity being based on Next Generation Bulldozer architecture in 2012 and another slide showing Next Generation Bulldozer coming in 2013 :) How can there be products in 2012 based on architecture coming in 2013 :)

Since Komodo and Trinity are based on a next generation bulldozer and another "enhanced" one will be coming in 2013? ;)
11-11-2010, 07:48 AM
JkS

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Originally Posted by Shadov

Since Komodo and Trinity are based on a next generation bulldozer and another "enhanced" one will be coming in 2013? ;)

I think you missed the slide where it shows enhanced in 2012 and next generation in 2013, which caused the confusion.

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