Bulldozer Die Shot!

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09-01-2010, 12:57 PM
slaveondope

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

That is an 8-core Orochi.

And some blurring.

And some photoshopping.

Actual die shots are released at launch, not before. Don't start doing math on this, if you think the "single threaded client performance from a server benchmark" numbers were way off, anything done off of this die shot will be even more incorrect.

Ahhhhhhhhh:shocked: Quit screwing with our heads man:rofl: :toast:
09-01-2010, 12:59 PM
MrMojoZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

That is an 8-core Orochi.

And some blurring.

And some photoshopping.

Actual die shots are released at launch, not before. Don't start doing math on this, if you think the "single threaded client performance from a server benchmark" numbers were way off, anything done off of this die shot will be even more incorrect.

So are the photos photoshopped? What core is this actually? I did some math based on this photo and figured out that AMD killed my dog.

WHY WON'T YOU JUST GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER??? :confused::confused:
09-01-2010, 01:01 PM
Mats

I can see the reason why AMD won't show us the die for now, but why showing a fake one instead?
09-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Florinmocanu

To confuse competition i guess.
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
redpriest

It's the real die guys. Just photoshopped - heavily - to obscure the internal structures so you can't figure out what they are if you were say, an enormously sized competitor trying to model your processor in simulation to see how it stacks up months in advance. ^_^
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
informal

It's the real one that has been altered quite a bit. The structures inside are blurred and the modules are "resized" in order to mask the ratios inside the core.
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
slaveondope

To keep us talking...
09-01-2010, 01:07 PM
hurleybird

The big joke is probably on the Intel engineers who have been pouting over these photos :P
09-01-2010, 01:14 PM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

So are the photos photoshopped? What core is this actually? I did some math based on this photo and figured out that AMD killed my dog.

WHY WON'T YOU JUST GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER??? :confused::confused:

Do you know the word, "confidential"?:)

At least we know that the L3 cache is divided into four parts. :D
09-01-2010, 01:18 PM
fellix_bg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

I can see the reason why AMD won't show us the die for now, but why showing a fake one instead?

They learned from Nvidia, I guess? :rolleyes:

http://a.imageshack.us/img266/6173/01192453925l1.jpg
09-01-2010, 01:41 PM
570091D

covering the real cores with something else then bluring them makes a lot of sense... can't wait to see the real die shot and some samples :D
09-01-2010, 01:47 PM
JF-AMD

It is a real die shot, not a fake. But, to keep the competition from knowing what is really under the covers you change it. This is a pretty common tactic in the industry.
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Mechanical Man

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

Do you know the word, "confidential"?:)

At least we know that the L3 cache is divided into four parts. :D

Do we? It can be shopped can it?
09-01-2010, 01:51 PM
hurleybird

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

It is a real die shot, not a fake. But, to keep the competition from knowing what is really under the covers you change it. This is a pretty common tactic in the industry.

Well, that makes things less cut and dry. Did you change the *shapes* of the modules and L2 cache or not? that's what everyone wants to know. I mean, if you just blurred and obscured the sensitive stuff it's obviously still legit, but it seems that if you would go as far as changing up the shapes and sized of cache and cores that would make it 'fake'.
09-01-2010, 01:52 PM
fellix_bg

Now I remember when Intel revealed Nehalem for the first time, the die-shot they presented was actually a shot from one of the underlying interconnect layers of the chip, not the top level with all the visible logic and cheesy details. I guess it makes sense. ;)

Hans made back then an overlay diagram of that die-shot and he missed by a mile the L2 cache locations/sizes and lots of other stuff.
09-01-2010, 01:53 PM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by fellix_bg

They learned from Nvidia, I guess? :rolleyes

:rofl: :clap:
09-01-2010, 01:55 PM
ajaidev

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

It is a real die shot, not a fake. But, to keep the competition from knowing what is really under the covers you change it. This is a pretty common tactic in the industry.

So only the cores internals are blured out other than that the die shot is real as in the difference in the size of the above and lower cores are true?
09-01-2010, 02:04 PM
Opteron146

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

It is a real die shot, not a fake. But, to keep the competition from knowing what is really under the covers you change it. This is a pretty common tactic in the industry.

If the cores are "changed", then it is fake, not real because the real die is different.

If you mean only blurring or scaling by "change", then ok.

However, because the top and bottom modules are of different size, it seems you mean the copying/pasting some parts.
09-01-2010, 02:06 PM
Mats

OMFG it's huge!111 It's like 5" x 6" Where's Hans? We have to calculate IPC/mm^3/£/mm^2 now!
No wonder they couldn't use the AM3 socket... now lets keep on going like this for 30 pages until MM stops us blablaah..

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Originally Posted by fellix_bg

http://a.imageshack.us/img266/6173/01192453925l1.jpg
09-01-2010, 02:41 PM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Do we? It can be shopped can it?

We do. The center of the die has not been "shopped".;)
09-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

OMFG it's huge!111 It's like 5" x 6" Where's Hans? We have to calculate IPC/mm^3/£/mm^2 now!
No wonder they couldn't use the AM3 socket... now lets keep on going like this for 30 pages until MM stops us blablaah..

dont forget the tdp :evilvoicelaugh:
09-01-2010, 03:11 PM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

We do. The center of the die has not been "shopped".;)

Is it not? How can u know?
09-01-2010, 03:19 PM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

dont forget the tdp :evilvoicelaugh:

Heh, I knew I'd forgotten something...

Do you mean TDP or TDP/MB L2 cache?
09-01-2010, 03:36 PM
Dimitriman

Who am I?

''From that die shot I can tell that the IPC/TDP/mm2/frequency/L2/L3/socket pins is definitely much lower than Phenom II, plus the '32nm Orochi Die' description is clear evidence that Bulldozer is DELAYED by 3 quarters and will launch in Q3 2012. It's all there.''
09-01-2010, 03:45 PM
Sgt.McRuff

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Who am I?

''From that die shot I can tell that the IPC/TDP/mm2/frequency/L2/L3/socket pins is definitely much lower than Phenom II, plus the '32nm Orochi Die' description is clear evidence that Bulldozer is DELAYED by 3 quarters and will launch in Q3 2012. It's all there.''

:clap::rofl:

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