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Epox has an 8RDA non on-board graphics model Nforce2 and a 8RGA with graphics. They tell me they will be out around the 16th of Sept. Nforce2 sounds like the way to go. I got my 2 - 512 Twinmos DDR400 Winbond -5 sticks ready and waiting to run in dual ch. mode.
I prefer Porsche :-)
where did u get that twinmos?
is it definately the case that 2 sticks is the way to go for dual channell boards? because Ive got 2x256mb samsung dtl and if I buy a new stick its gonna be 1x512 cos they are faster, but then im gonna be stuffed if I need 2 to get best performance from dual channel.....
I am totally happy with this news. I already have the mobo to support one of these chips. Also, I believe the 2400+ will be the better purchase. We have seen that the XP 1600+ with the right stepping will OC just as well as a 2000+. The lower multiplier on the 2400+ will allow for higher bus speeds if you can't unlock it or don't care to. I would be quite pleased with a chip that OC's to 2.4GHz +, that's about 500MHz more than my current chip!
I will get the 2400+ as well when available local. I hope my new 8K5A2+ will support multiplier manipulation say from 13X and up. :)
It should, but I noticed with my 8K3A+ that you only get 13, 14, 15 and 16 but there are no .5 increments.Quote:
I hope my new 8K5A2+ will support multiplier manipulation say from 13X and up.
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spqqky i got one coming tomorrow will let u know
In one of the reviews I read, AMD encouraged the reviewer to overclock the 2600+. I guess AMD was fairly confident with the changes to the new CPU.
Another bonus for overclockers is that the CPU is now running at 1.65v down from the older Athlon's 1.75v.
Just consider this: some 2yr old socket 'a' motherboards support the latest CPU. How many Intel-based motherboards can boast that about an upgrade path.
I was a little worried about the socket 'a' format after the 2200+ was released but my confidence is now renewed with the latest releases.
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Hey, atleast AMD doesn't change their sockets every few months!
exactly.
Well I plan on keeping my 1ghz athlon for quit a while. Then I can upgrade to a 333mhz bus Athlon... imagine that.
hmm... from a 600mhz AMD Duron to a 2133 AthlonXP 2600+ with the same motherboard.
Let's just say you had $150 to upgrade... grab a socket 'a' mobo and keep using your current 600 Duron... then after you scrounge a few more bucks grab a faster chip, then some faster ram...
Intel prefers to screw the customer into buying a new Intel chipset motherboard for each cpu upgrade.
Intel is just arrogant.
the new bioses on epox.org add support for 2400 and 2600 in both the 8k3a and 8k5a, although the 8k5a one is calling my oc'ed 2200 at 1930 a 2400 and since AMD has slightly lowered their PR rating for the 2400 and 2600, I am not sure this will read them right without another correction, but I think the dividers will be in there. What I want to know is how to unlock these. So much for the cpu's coming factory unlocked rumourrs. How do you unlock if they start using heat plates?Quote:
Originally posted by SPQQKY
It should, but I noticed with my 8K3A+ that you only get 13, 14, 15 and 16 but there are no .5 increments.
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Firingsquad has reported that unlocking the Tbred Rev. B chips only requires a simple L1 bridge connection! They used a #2 pencil, reminiscent of the Thunderbird unlocking process. Here is their coverage:
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/xp2600/page3.asp
ABOUT THAT BANG FOR THE BUCK
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Overclocking: Normally we don't like to mention the overclocking aspects of a chip in our official assessment, but we think it's pretty safe to say that these newer Thoroughbred processors will overclock better than their predecessors. AMD has redesigned the core for more efficient operation at high clock speeds and based on what we've seen their work was a resounding success.
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Performance: The Athlon XP 2600+ is one helluva fast chip. It may only be running at 2.13GHz, but as we've seen in today's benchmarks it is more than capable of giving the Pentium 4 2.53GHz a run for its money.
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The scary part is AMD is only asking $193 for the Athlon XP 2400+, and we all know much cheaper street prices are for AMD CPUs. We wouldn't be surprised to see online prices another 20-30% lower once the supply on these chips increases
damn, i can't wait any longer for my AT7 Max2. hope friggin VIA fixed "screen tearing" thing, otherwise i'll be switching to NForce2.
"Another bonus for overclockers is that the CPU is now running at 1.65v"
ALL tbred cores (for over 2 months) have run at 1.65v this is nothing new. Its not a bonus because it was meant to run at 1.5v the same as intels 0.13micron chip, such poor yields (even now) have meant they had to effectively overclock their own chips right from stock by upping the voltage, just to get them to run at stock speed. That alone shows how bad their yields were and continue to be.
Regarding not having to change motherboards, anyone with a 2 year old motherboard is going to have no support for a 133fsb, USB2, firewire, possibly raid, the latest memory speeds (infact at 2 years old it may not even support DDR let alone anything above pc2100) or anything else thats appeared in the last 2 years, so you wont be getting anywhere near the performance you could be getting after spending a mere $80 on a new motherboard.
Of course its a good thing for those that rather keep a 2 year old board.
wanna bet they run great at 1.5v without OC ?
my 1700+ palomino does 1.5ghz at 1.38v
ewok we all know the goods and bads of amd so how about stoping that negativism it´s quite bodering
Intel cpus are great when they dont die from extra voltage in a few months
stick to Intel and ill wait for an 2400+ when they are available
whats a palomino got to do with anything?
the tbred is a completely diferent chip made with a completely different manufacturing process. The FACTS are that 1.5v was planned, 1.65 is what they had to use to get the yields needed. Any given tbred (especially with the new cores) might run at 1.5v (and nobody has tested this yet so you cant say it will) but the majority probably wont or AMD would be using 1.5v again as it would keep temps down, but they arent and theres surely a reason for it.
Stick to intel? so I should go buy an intel to replace my xp1600+ then go buy a 2400+ 2 weeks later? why? Ill wait and see what happens first thanks.
Not to be a :banana::banana::banana::banana: or anything Ewok, but do you ever have anything nice to say? It seems like AMD can never do good by you and that's fine but you keep on bringing up that you don't like what they are doing post after post after post. I think most people who read this board(and the others you post to) are quite aware of your dislike of AMD's products and/or methods.
Try to remember to have some fun with this hobby. ;)
Well I could sit here all day long saying how AMD chips are cheaper, how they go faster at the same clock speed as an intel, how they have better FPU (which I did mention earlier), but then everyone knows this already.
Id rather state the less obvious things such as, to get these new super speeds from the 2 new chips, they have had to put so much voltage through it, its likely to kill the chip before long. And as stated in my previous post, im making the FACTS clear, whether its AMD, Intel or Bob down the road, they remain facts people should be aware of before they go rushing out buying a xp2400+ and expecting to get 2.8ghz out of it like the tomshardware review....they wont.
Now if people want to go around with blinkers on to the fact that AMD havent been able to get the yields out of these chips that they wanted and everyone expected, thats up to them but Im not going to sit here and let someone mislead everyone by stating a defualt voltage of 1.65v is a good thing, when it clearly isnt.
I have no like or dislike for AMD or intel, I'll buy whatever is going to suit my needs best, hence at the moment, as already said, I'm running an xp1600+, and infact havent had an intel system for over 3 years when I had a P2 450. As I already said earlier, its an improvement over the old tbreds obviously, but it isnt the amazing jawdropping marvel that some people (like tomshardware) are making it out to be. And I'm talking from an overclocking perspective, as I already said for those that wont be overclocking, AMD is the obvious choice due to price and the fact it beats intels at stock speeds.
It isnt a 'hobby' for me, I'll buy pc stuff to use, not run benchmarks all day, that doesnt mean I dont wanna get the best stuff or get the most out of what Ive got, or know the facts about things so that I can make an informed decision about what to buy and why. I may well end up with a 2400 or 2600+ if they turn out to be better than expected, thats why im waiting to see, but that also depends on how good the nforce2 is because so far the kt400 doesnt look very good.
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whats a palomino got to do with anything?
the tbred is a completely diferent chip made with a completely different manufacturing process. The FACTS are that 1.5v was planned, 1.65 is what they had to use to get the yields needed. Any given tbred (especially with the new cores) might run at 1.5v (and nobody has tested this yet so you cant say it will) but the majority probably wont or AMD would be using 1.5v again as it would keep temps down, but they arent and theres surely a reason for it.
Stick to intel? so I should go buy an intel to replace my xp1600+ then go buy a 2400+ 2 weeks later? why? Ill wait and see what happens first thanks.
how about this for a fact
1700+ 0.18u default vcore 1.75v at 1466mhz
mine does 1.5ghz at 1.38v , 0.37v less than default
like I said wanna bet the 2600+ runs fine at 2133mhz with 1.5v?
everyone who listens to you thinks you have a PIV ,why dont you buy one if amd is doing a lot of "stoopid" things and all chipsets suk , blah blah blah, yada yada yada ....
Sorry 'bout assuming it was a hobby for you. Playing games, crunching SETI or Folding, emailing, general searching, and pushing things a bit farther than they were meant to be pushed are all things I consider part of the computer hobby.Quote:
Originally posted by Ewok
It isnt a 'hobby' for me, I'll buy pc stuff to use, not run benchmarks all day, that doesnt mean I dont wanna get the best stuff or get the most out of what Ive got, or know the facts about things so that I can make an informed decision about what to buy and why.
No one can fault you for educating yourself about current and future products. It just seems(to me at least) that you don't enjoy any part of AMD and you like to talk about that a lot.
The good news though is that you could be in for a huge surprise when some real world benchies start coming out. And if the new AMD's are crap, then you'll have nothing to yatch about because you've already written them off. ;)
Take it easy Ewok,
Jeff
direct form twinmos, but you can special order it through memoryx.com if you call them.Quote:
Originally posted by Ewok
where did u get that twinmos?
is it definately the case that 2 sticks is the way to go for dual channell boards? because Ive got 2x256mb samsung dtl and if I buy a new stick its gonna be 1x512 cos they are faster, but then im gonna be stuffed if I need 2 to get best performance from dual channel.....
My point was that most motherboards max out at 1.85v so by AMD delivering a CPU with the stock voltage of 1.65v it gives the end user more voltage to play with.
Who cares if AMD had planned to run the thoroughbred at 1.1v if the final product smokes the competition with a 400mhz disadvantage.
... as far as temperatures... the discussion is generally over-rated as AMD run quit nicely at 55-60C even if that is a problem for Intel chips.
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Originally posted by Ewok
whats a palomino got to do with anything?
the tbred is a completely diferent chip made with a completely different manufacturing process. The FACTS are that 1.5v was planned, 1.65 is what they had to use to get the yields needed. Any given tbred (especially with the new cores) might run at 1.5v (and nobody has tested this yet so you cant say it will) but the majority probably wont or AMD would be using 1.5v again as it would keep temps down, but they arent and theres surely a reason for it.
Stick to intel? so I should go buy an intel to replace my xp1600+ then go buy a 2400+ 2 weeks later? why? Ill wait and see what happens first thanks.
Ewok poses some valid, well spoken points and I personally don't see what the problem is Skatan. He's simply offering his point of view on the situation as many others are. If you can write off his posts as "blah blah blah" then I can do the same for a few members who've posted in this thread w/ pro-AMD replies.
Fact of the matter is, no one cares if the new AMD chip can beat a 2.53GHz P4. As it's been stated before, no one buys these overpriced chips anyways. 2.26Bs can be had for a reasonable (granted not quite as cheap as AMD) ~$250 and I'm sorry to say it but the current 2.26Bs running at 3.2-3.4GHz with high end cooling own the ORB, not AMD chips. People who own Prometeias, 2.26Bs, etc. are going for first page on the ORB, they aren't really ones to consider bang for the buck. The fact that the 2.26B isn't insanely overpriced is just a bonus.
As for these new 2400+ and 2600+ chips, until I see proof that the NForce2 won't flop as the original NForce did, I do believe that while the race will be much closer, the Northwood will be king of the hill for a bit longer. In other words, from a 3DMark standpoint, the success of these new Thoroughbreds more or less depends on NVidia as they seem to be the only ones offering a viable dual channel DDR solution.
Before you go off dismissing my reply as useless pro-Intel banter go tell my 1 GHz AXIA 9, 1 GHz AXIA Y , 1 GHz AYHJA-Y, 1800+ AGKGA Y, 1600+ AGOIA Y, KT7A-RAID, KR7A, KX7, GA-7DX, KK266, etc. that I'm an Intel zealot. If computer parts could talk, I'm sure they'd disagree with you.
I don't understand ewok, what is Intel doing then if their P4's are dying with 1.7v or more. It would seem to me that if 1.7v kills them, then they are pushing up THEIR voltage to get higher yields out of their chips at 1.5v. As we can see from some of the reviews, that they are gettings some really nice OC's on the new TBreds, so I don't think they could already be maxed out and that is why the higher voltage.