And my max post for the time.......................
Printable View
And my max post for the time.......................
OK,
I get the fact that the Abit Max 3 and other Abit 875 versions have a flaw that really limits the performance of them.
And I will accept the position Grace posted regarding the Asus vs the Epox at the same settings with same components used.
This however leads me to this question.
Can the Asus, without a vmod, match or exceed the performance of the Epox if both are O/C'd to their limits with both boards stock?
Because I'm new enough to this that I'm seeking the very best O/Cing 875 board at stock, no soldering required. I have no problem with going a good bit farther for the cooling of the system, and motherboard, so long as I don't have to vmod anything.
Thanks
My opinion is that the best O/Cing 875 board without any modifications is the MAX3. I have tried even ASUS but you have to do soldering and cooling mods. The Epox is a fine board but it has a top O/Cing limit. I know that is a difficult choise and a bit of luck, but its up to you to decide.Quote:
Because I'm new enough to this that I'm seeking the very best O/Cing 875 board at stock, no soldering required. I have no problem with going a good bit farther for the cooling of the system, and motherboard, so long as I don't have to vmod anything.
:)
My Water cooling set up it has 3 blocks made from ELEVEN a Greek manufactore and specialy the Cpu block performs extremely good, for me even better than the Cascade, a Thermocill 120.1 rad. with 2X120mm ENERMAX funs, pump EHEIM 1250 with a small tank fit on and my litle secret, an extra water tank 300ml made from alu. All the the components of the water-cooling system are fited in the tower.Quote:
How about some pics of the blocks? And what sort of pump and rad are you making use of?
And a pic of the cpu block..
Quote:
Originally posted by Craig
This however leads me to this question.
Can the Asus, without a vmod, match or exceed the performance of the Epox if both are O/C'd to their limits with both boards stock?
That actually depends on the memory more than anything else. The only drawback of the Asus is the Vdimm limit that is 2.85v, not quite high for seasoned overclockers. If your RAM will work with that much of a voltage to the top speed that your motherboard/CPU will handle at the divider you want to run, then the Epox won't have any real advantage over the Asus, only drawbacks. However the Epox has a Vdimm up to 3.4v, the highest ever for a motherboard at stock. If you have voltage greedy memory, it is the one that can help it without voltage mods.
I would avoid the MAX3 as well. The divider and the VTT problems are a lot of headache. It would be the best if Abit would fix their own issues.
And I wonder why the AI7 came out trouble free.
Its what the MAX3 was supposed to be for the 875.
Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
And I wonder why the AI7 came out trouble free.
Not completely, it still has issues with the dividers but at somewhat higher speeds. I would prefer it over any other of the IC7/IS7 line any day though.
I haven't seen anyone here complain about divider problems with it.
However I was mainly pointing towards the whole VTT/vdimm thing they screwed up with the MAX3. They touted it as a big feature but then failed to deliver.
The MAX3 vdimm/VTT problem affects only vdimm reg. between 2.9V and 3.1V but if you use 3.2V this problem does not exists. As for deviders using memmory vdimm 3.2V there was no problem especially with the last bios and even the beta ones.
The VTT issue varies on each motherboard. Many motherboards will not work with 3.0v-3.2v as well while the 2.9v works. Willing to risk it?Quote:
Originally posted by aristidis
The MAX3 vdimm/VTT problem affects only vdimm reg. between 2.9V and 3.1V but if you use 3.2V this problem does not exists. As for deviders using memmory vdimm 3.2V there was no problem especially with the last bios and even the beta ones.
Also the divider have nothing to do with the memory voltage. It cannot run by using the 5:4 divider at high FSB which differs with each board. True enough there are MAX3 motherboards that hit 300MHz with the 5:4 divider but one I've tested blacked out at 280FSB and I've seen reports of others failing even lower than that.
I agree with you but you always take a risk buying a board and of course a chip or even memory. For examble i have tested two ASUS boards and both of them were bad pieces. As for the processors we all know what happens. Dont forget that you have test four SL6Z5 to find a good one.Quote:
The VTT issue varies on each motherboard. Many motherboards will not work with 3.0v-3.2v as well while the 2.9v works. Willing to risk it?
As for MAX3 they said that for the new ones the VTT problem is fixed..