New TRIPLE Laing/Swiftech DDC Top from XSPC !

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10-06-2009, 01:16 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Why does everyone have to pick on Naekuh's soapbox. ;)

Its like going out on a street and seeing a chrome gallardo..
No matter how pretty it is, you just want to get a sledge hammer to it and ding it. :(
10-06-2009, 01:28 PM
skinnee

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Originally Posted by skinnee

I pick on Naekuh...but no need to call him a moron in public. :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

:ROTF::ROTF:

That poor soapbox:ROTF:

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Originally Posted by millertime359

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Why does everyone have to pick on Naekuh's soapbox. ;)

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Its like going out on a street and seeing a chrome gallardo..
No matter how pretty it is, you just want to get a sledge hammer to it and ding it. :(

Waterlogged, you can call him whatever you like in public. Anyone who compares themselves to a chrome gallardo needs to be heckled in public.

:rofl:
10-06-2009, 01:35 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by skinnee

Waterlogged, you can call him whatever you like in public. Anyone who compares themselves to a chrome gallardo needs to be heckled in public.

:rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:up: :cool:
10-06-2009, 02:36 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by skinnee

Waterlogged, you can call him whatever you like in public. Anyone who compares themselves to a chrome gallardo needs to be heckled in public.

:rofl:

ohhh u are the first i will definitely PWN when i get my gulftown.

For sure.... make it feel like im rubbing salt on an open wound.. :rofl:

*sigh* my avatar is serious.. i think i need more rads... :\
10-06-2009, 02:44 PM
millertime359

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

ohhh u are the first i will definitely PWN when i get my gulftown.

For sure.... make it feel like im rubbing salt on an open wound.. :rofl:

*sigh* my avatar is serious.. i think i need more rads... :\

Now we know how to motivate Naekuh to finish a build. :D
10-06-2009, 02:55 PM
skinnee

Ha! Finish a build, this is a chip and maybe a board swap... how many have been in that case now?

Blah, Gulftown blah... I have DDC tops on the brain now. And radiators and CPU blocks. :D
10-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Sadasius

There would be no such thing as a small leak with this setup. As soon as there is an opening all the fluid in the system will be pumped out in less then a second. :ROTF:
10-06-2009, 03:11 PM
Spawn-Inc

i assume there will be a dual/triple top round up some time? can we through in some single tops in series in the mix?
10-06-2009, 03:20 PM
skinnee

List off the ones you have in mind, only promise I can make is that I will try to acquire the tops. I can't guarantee anything unless I have them in hand.
10-06-2009, 03:23 PM
jcool

But where are the quad tops?!?!

:ROTF:
10-06-2009, 03:43 PM
shazza

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ohhh u are the first i will definitely PWN when i get my gulftown.

OOoohhhh, can't wait. More pics of naked CPUs!

(***runs and hides***)

It doesn't seem like the idea of the triple top is going over real strong here. I have to admit, I did think it was a photoshop when I first saw it, but will be interested to see the results (if no one gets one to skinnee, I'll get him one for Christmas :) )
10-06-2009, 04:22 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by jcool

But where are the quad tops?!?!

:ROTF:

This is TOPS! not CORES!

Your in the wrong subsection!

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by shazza

(if no one gets one to skinnee, I'll get him one for Christmas :) )

He has one...
However i was talking it over with people... we dont think this will be great... why?
Because the PSI chart is nice.. however the flow isnt...
10-06-2009, 04:43 PM
MpG

I imagine that at a certain point, the Q/P curve is so skewed that you'd see better results from a 2x2 pump setup than you would with four pumps in series. Not to mention that you have to start asking yourself if the components are all rated to hold that kind of pressure...
10-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Vapor

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Originally Posted by MpG

I imagine that at a certain point, the Q/P curve is so skewed that you'd see better results from a 2x2 pump setup than you would with four pumps in series. Not to mention that you have to start asking yourself if the components are all rated to hold that kind of pressure...

+1 :yepp:
10-06-2009, 04:50 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by MpG

I imagine that at a certain point, the Q/P curve is so skewed that you'd see better results from a 2x2 pump setup than you would with four pumps in series. Not to mention that you have to start asking yourself if the components are all rated to hold that kind of pressure...

kl-350 in loop..

problem solved.. :rofl:
10-06-2009, 05:00 PM
jcool

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

This is TOPS! not CORES!

Your in the wrong subsection!

:rofl:

Naw, NaeKuh.. we are at 6 cores already, try to keep up will ya :p: :cool:

:ROTF:
10-06-2009, 05:02 PM
Vapor

I'm trying to keep up...I have 5 pumps in my testbed loop :cool:
10-06-2009, 05:17 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by Vapor

I'm trying to keep up...I have 5 pumps in my testbed loop :cool:

+ 2 more D5's :rofl:

yes yes??
10-06-2009, 06:02 PM
skinnee

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Originally Posted by MpG

I imagine that at a certain point, the Q/P curve is so skewed that you'd see better results from a 2x2 pump setup than you would with four pumps in series. Not to mention that you have to start asking yourself if the components are all rated to hold that kind of pressure...

I think so too. One of the things the curves don't come out and say is what you can expect in flow rates, we have several reviews of one or the other but not both. I'm going to pick some components (I only have one available GPU block) and start keeping track of a "test loop" or two flow rates along with the PQ curves like normal.

@ shazza, thanks for the offer but I have the XSPC dual and triples.
10-06-2009, 06:24 PM
nikhsub1

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Originally Posted by Senater_Cache

just to get this straight without starting anything... are you sure?
how can there be more flow if the pumps are in series and all impellers are moving at the same speed?

now if they were in parallel, then there would be more flow as the water path get divided into three, with each third being "moved along" individually (as individual as it can get in a closed loop:p:
am I misunderstanding this?

There are many things at play with multiple pumps... if you double the pumps (same spec) in series you double the head, this is true. However, in loops like ours, it is a general rule of thumb that you need to quadruple the pumping power (head) to double the flowrate. Vapor says 40% more with 2 pumps in series, IMO that is too generous, it is more like 33%. 3 pumps in series would be 66% and 4 pumps would DOUBLE the flowrate of 1 pump. If you look at Petra's pump testing of his tops in series you will see exactly what I'm saying... he does a low restriction loop and a medium/high restriction loop, look to the latter for a more real world example of what you can expect.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Yes im fairly sure... the last number we talked about tho was near 30% i think.
I got bit in the butt when i challenged scott to this statement, and he showed it to me.
That's why i know...

I guess you have a good memory :yepp:
10-06-2009, 07:11 PM
Dreddy71

now im waiting for the X4 and X6 sandwiches. on the bright side, i dont think you will notice when one of your pumps dies... or 3 of them, in the X6 version.
10-06-2009, 09:31 PM
eth0s

I think you guys are a bit off the point here: this triple top is really made for somebody who needs (wants?) triple the head pressure of a single DDC, and is not really for somebody who just wants to increase flow rate. Now you ask: "Who on Earth needs to treble his head pressure?" I have no idea, but it would have to be somebody with A LOT of restriction in his loop (8 quad rads maybe?), or somebody pumping up a rather large vertical height. Maybe DB can think of a super tall custom monstrosity (like 10 feet tall!) that would require treble head pressure, but otherwise, I don't know who really "needs" it in a normal sized case with normal parts. However, if you want the awesome pumping power of a 280 pound linebacker in your loop, this will do it.
10-07-2009, 06:09 AM
Senater_Cache

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Originally Posted by nikhsub1

There are many things at play with multiple pumps... if you double the pumps (same spec) in series you double the head, this is true. However, in loops like ours, it is a general rule of thumb that you need to quadruple the pumping power (head) to double the flowrate. Vapor says 40% more with 2 pumps in series, IMO that is too generous, it is more like 33%. 3 pumps in series would be 66% and 4 pumps would DOUBLE the flowrate of 1 pump. If you look at Petra's pump testing of his tops in series you will see exactly what I'm saying... he does a low restriction loop and a medium/high restriction loop, look to the latter for a more real world example of what you can expect.

I guess you have a good memory :yepp:

I was hoping you would come in here and clear that up. thanks nikshub1:yepp:
I remember the testing done that revealed ~30-40% increase back when people started popping second pumps in their loops.
just wasn't sure if I remembered things correctly or not.
10-07-2009, 10:03 AM
veedubfreak

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Originally Posted by eth0s

I think you guys are a bit off the point here: this triple top is really made for somebody who needs (wants?) triple the head pressure of a single DDC, and is not really for somebody who just wants to increase flow rate. Now you ask: "Who on Earth needs to treble his head pressure?" I have no idea, but it would have to be somebody with A LOT of restriction in his loop (8 quad rads maybe?), or somebody pumping up a rather large vertical height. Maybe DB can think of a super tall custom monstrosity (like 10 feet tall!) that would require treble head pressure, but otherwise, I don't know who really "needs" it in a normal sized case with normal parts. However, if you want the awesome pumping power of a 280 pound linebacker in your loop, this will do it.

This is for people who have their computer on the 2nd floor, and their rads in the basement :)
10-07-2009, 11:24 AM
alacheesu

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Originally Posted by veedubfreak

This is for people who have their computer on the 2nd floor, and their rads in the basement :)

I could be wrong, but I don't think it matters if you're pumping 20 feet straight up or 20 feet horizontally as long as it's a closed loop.

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