Hardware Labs' Black Ice SR1 Radiators now available

Nice, skinnee!
Looking forward to seeing how it does. :)

thanks skinnee

I went ahead and bought the quad setup for my HTPC...hope its good if not better than feser 480 I had only 1200rpms rans on those and it cooled my system prety good.

skinnee-

I thought I saw some speculation about this, but figured I would ask since you have a couple rads to compare among.

Would you say the pipes on the SR1 are larger or about the same size as those on the GTX series? How about other rads for that matter?

Yeah, I know, HW Labs' marketing jargon says something about 'high-flow tubes', but that doesn't tell me anything about reality

TIA

Thanks Skinnee!

Look forward to seeing some pressure drop curves too. The tubes look different, maybe less restrictive too?

Also can you tell if the flow passes are still the old front to back style or changed?

Thanks!
Martin

Nice pics skinnee!

Shame about the price. Looking forward to a review.

Some more quick shots, SR1 with her older sister.

http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...-SR1_wGTX1.jpg


Better shot of the tubes and fins.

http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...s-SR1_wGTX.jpg


Two pass - dual row, the tubes are back to 2mm width versus the 1.3 in the GTX. I'm counting 10FPI too. Must move faster on the lab move...I really want to run the thermals on this lovely lady.

my fave rads :D yummy :D

Wow that looks fantastic, I've always been very impressed with HWLabs' quality and consistency. Looking forward to your results as always.:) I predict on par with newer PA 120.3 given more or less the same physical specs.

so we've all seen that every rad mfg is jumping on the TC bandwagon...

Feser... me too TC...
XSPC... me too TC...
HWLabs... now yet another me too TC...

i guess it's good for us in that there will be many to choose from... and we won't have to bear with the TC's lack of availability any more... but... i'm not really impressed at the release of this rad... dunno why...
the only real excitement this release really brings to the market is that now, the consumer got choices and this time, QC and Customer Service matters... if they suck... we got choices... gives us more power to choose with our wallets.

performance wise, i'm sure we'll get yet another colorful line on the graphs that are near each other...

i much rather know if a 140 sized rad is worth the effort of fitting in our builds in comparison to the 120 size rads...
start comparing...

140.3 vs 120.3
140.3 vs 120.4

High FPI @ 140mm vs Low FPI @ 140mm

just my 2 cents...

I'm impressed that even with the limited things you can do to improve the "low fpi thick" rad market HW labs at least tried integrating "shrouds" into it.


Although IMHO I think for the equivalent price and size per se I think a setup like

BI GTS 360 with med push pull fans can perform just as well if not better than any of these thick rads with just one set of fans.

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i much rather know if a 140 sized rad is worth the effort of fitting in our builds in comparison to the 120 size rads...
start comparing...

140.3 vs 120.3
140.3 vs 120.4

High FPI @ 140mm vs Low FPI @ 140mm

just my 2 cents...

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I guess that would depend on your build and how much cooling your required. Usually I go for whatever I can fit into a case. If I can fit a 140.3 then so be it as that is what will go in.

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Some more quick shots, SR1 with her older sister.

http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...-SR1_wGTX1.jpg


Better shot of the tubes and fins.

http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...s-SR1_wGTX.jpg


Two pass - dual row, the tubes are back to 2mm width versus the 1.3 in the GTX. I'm counting 10FPI too. Must move faster on the lab move...I really want to run the thermals on this lovely lady.

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Nice!:clap:

Any word if they plan to make a 560 out of this new SR1 style?

That's the rad size/density that I've been waiting for..:yepp:

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Nice!:clap:

Any word if they plan to make a 560 out of this new SR1 style?

That's the rad size/density that I've been waiting for..:yepp:

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That's a quad 140mm radiator. Holy hell. I feel like anything over 120.3 would just be impossible to handle, and only for e-peen - case in point, the 560 GTX doesn't fit inside anything and it's overkill for probably 100% of loops that feature one, unless someone absolutely insists on cooling CPU, chipset, Vreg, RAM, multiple video cards, hard drives, and RAM in one loop.

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That's a quad 140mm radiator. Holy hell. I feel like anything over 120.3 would just be impossible to handle, and only for e-peen - case in point, the 560 GTX doesn't fit inside anything and it's overkill for probably 100% of loops that feature one, unless someone absolutely insists on cooling CPU, chipset, Vreg, RAM, multiple video cards, hard drives, and RAM in one loop.

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Depends on your fan selection.

You can see 5X or more performance using high speed fans vs. very slow speed fans.

I also want to see far less than 5C water delta and I also want to use 1000RPM fans, perhaps slower if I can.

A quad 480GTX is only good for about 150 watts @ a 5C delta using 1000RPM fans:

http://martin.skinneelabs.com/img/HW...ermalGraph.png

So the combination of

1000RPM fans + <5C water delta = Ridiculously big radiator sizes

So...while it may seem oversized....it's not if you want really really good performance and want to use really low speed fans..

Radiator performance really goes down the crapper when you start talking sub 1000RPM fan speeds and especially with high density designs. Low density is a fair amount better with this, but still not anything like using stronger fans.

And sure it's not necessary, but it would be fun...

SR1's now in stock @ FrozenCPU

SR1's in stock @ SideWinderComputers too LOL! :up:

And PPCs three :)

Picked up a couple triples, should have them Thursday.. Hated to buy before I seen some testing, but I guess radiators are like Hookers, can't all be tested before you buy them.

Where I can buy this babies (4x120 and 2x120) in Europe ? 4x120 will fit in bottom of TJ-07 ?

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end tank to end tank: 397mm
thickness: 55mm
side panel to side panel: 132mm

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core size (LxWxH): 360mm x 131mm x 34mm

atleast according to my measurements.

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skinnee-

I'm slightly confused by these two measurements..

The overall thickness of this rad you measured at 55mm. Given there is a 15mm plenum on this rad on both sides (judging from the pics you posted), wouldn't this mean the core is only 25mm thick? Or is the plenum only 15mm on one side and not the other?

Thanks!

The 15mm plenum is only on the one side, opposite of the barb ports.

:up: Ketzer

I wish they would have put the plenum on the other side, so you could put the fans in "pull"

Ok, awesome, thanks skinnee! I knew I was missing something, sorry about that :shakes:

On a related follow-up question, how do the SR1's measurements stack up to something like the TC PA series of rads? I know TC lists a 10mm plenum on their rads, is that also only on one side of the rad? I was guessing something like a 40mm core thickness based on TC's measurements, but I have no idea if that's accurate or not. I'm just curious if the TC has a larger core or basically the same.

Thanks again. :up:

u have one problem with 140mm.... the limited selection in fans.

And i dont think the overall increase from a 120 to 140 at the cost of better fan selection is gonna give u much of a win.

Id rather be on a 120 version with awesome fans, then a 140 with average fans. :P

And i agree with alex... 78 dollars in additional cost will net u better cooling in something.

At the very least, its dinner with girlfriend/wife so she can stop nagging u when you buy more computer parts.