Seems that the reviews on this are topping out at about 3.7-3.8ghz on air. Not bad, but 4.0ghz on air would be nice...
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Seems that the reviews on this are topping out at about 3.7-3.8ghz on air. Not bad, but 4.0ghz on air would be nice...
mine one can passed SP2004 10 hrs stress test :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquineas
It was brought to my attention that most reviews were done in 64 bit........so I revoke my comment.......Really not sure why they would choose to use a non mainstream OS however.......32 bit is still mainstream 95% of software still is to.....how many years after 64bit was introduced?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquineas
There are alot of factors......how familiar someone is with the architecture and how well they know the board they are working with, how cool they can keep the chip ( etc are they using a stock cooler ) and how much voltage they are willing to push......or in certain cases are they pushing to much voltage.......not all chips like voltage....not all chips are equal...are they trying to crank the bejeebus out of the memory.....an unhappy IMC makes for an unhappy cpu, unhappy cpu's dont clock to well........
Oh I totally agree, and I have no doubt that you having the experience you have can get superb numbers, but for blokes like me, I'm no expert OC'er and I have never been able to get above the average, so I try to use that as barometer. Just me setting realistic expectations. It's a bit too easy to come here and see what some of the experts can get and get ones hopes up only to get disappointed later.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
(Note I also prefer to run with a closed case).
Tony ( OCZ ), I and a few others plan to simplify this in the near future, it just takes time and alot of testing to make sure all info is accurate and presented properly......Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquineas
I'm quite sure that with water or a good cooling setup my results can be duplicated.......I used my single scythe kaze fan with a lapped true 120 and unlapped cpu ( not an optimal setup ) exclusively during this testing to keep it a little more realworld this time around.....No delta fans ( plus my fingers cant take the abuse anymore )
With a decent push pull setup in a closed case with good in/out airflow I don't see why 4.0 stable is not possible.....key things are using vid cards that exhaust heat out not dump heat in the case.......
I will be rebuilding my everyday average normal system with AMD in the very near future and I will be sure to document some real world results ;) that system runs a q6600 btw and while I saw many struggling for 3.6 gig 24/7 stable mine cruises right along at 8x450 ( and i'm an intel nub but I know how to OC ) everyday all day and all night with a 1600 rpm delta fan a lapped true 120 and an unlapped cpu.......in a rather restrictive cm 690.......
So I got playing and posting now the embargo has lifted...http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...706#post377706
I have the new beta bios from MSI which is quite nice (wait for msi to release it) and have been testing to see whats easy and what is hard to achieve. I was also using a new kit you will not find on our website but we are just seeding to stores...2000 cas9 rated micron for 1333 cost sure is nice..only issue is its a TRI kit for i7 but its cheap ;) LOL
Im updating on OCZforum...its open for discussion or we can talk here, no biggy to me ;)
short of it for now...forget running sill;y ram speed for 24/7...its just not worth it.
I don't think you give 64-bit enough credit, Chew. With even OEMs starting to ship 64-bit editions of Windows and enthusiast PCs often containing enough RAM to pretty much mandate it, I think we're starting to see some pretty good adoption.
Very very nice tony :)
I see forced adoptation.....I see rigs sold with 64bit to unknowing consumers........I see very little software companies backing it......I see lots of driver issues with it.......I see the need to add yet more hardware that is not necessary...........8gigs of ram is a niche crowd the majority will never need 8gigs........not that there aren't apps that can't benifit.....but there are far more that don't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
I'm oldschool though, I refuse to jump on the latest and greatest till its tried and true.....I still use PS2 mouse and KB, I'd use win 2k if it recognized 4 cores.......I still use IDE drives and cd roms...You guys want to be paying beta testers have at it more power to you....I just want my pc to work and it could do so in 8bit mode for all I care as long as it works everyday everytime without aggravation......
If I want aggravation I use my bench rig.....
You forget that 99% of people actually using computers do not know how........they know how to surf the net, dl :banana::banana::banana::banana: and viruses.......
64bit is hard on these CPU's when overclocking, voltages need to go up and heat output rises also.
I tested 64bit and lost 200MHZ as same voltages to 32bit...there is work to be done to make thing equal that's for sure.
I like 32bit though as i TRIM the vertex no sweat LOL...I like things fast all the time ;)
yup 64 bit tough on clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
isn't anything that is only 64 bit it's all still 32 bit
still waiting to see a game designed for 64 bit
I refuse to use non 64 bit OSes.
BTW chew: I hit 3920 stable under Vista x64 in my review. XP 32b is 4 GHz stable with some more voltage.
This is wrong on Phenom II(or it is on my Phenom II 940 BE and Dfi 790FXB)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I can run max 24/7 3.7ghz in Win Xp sp3 32bits and runing same in W7 64bits without any troubles in game etc.
And also 3DMark2006 do not lose over 0-100mhz from runing in WinXp vs W7.
Maybe you cpu is bad or something, or doing something else wrong?:) , but mine dont lose anything in W7 64bit :)
And all this is with same settings in bios.
Dually noted and if the review sites took the time to note this I think there would be far greater acceptance.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
rubbish...every reviewer I work with said the same thing as i have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
I needed higher voltages to have 100% stability for same clocks within Vista 64 period.
both my CPU's are good, nothing wrong with them. test with a 955 and you may find the same.
that's windows 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
totally different in windows vista 64 bit.
Lets see some 06 3dmark score clock per clock.......I can tell you just going from win xp to win vista or win 7 32 bit mind you there is a 400 point drop in cpu score...last time I checked the reason for upgrading is higher performance.....not to lose it.....when I gain higher performance I will upgrade my OS........unfortunately I will be forced to use vista 32 for 4870x2's.......but I most certainly won't like it......Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
Well I can share my experience...I can do the same 3.7 or 3.8Ghz with 4 cores on my 720 in either Vista 64 or XP Sp3 without any changes and stability is the same.
Then I try Windows 7 and it will blue screen. 3.6 is the max I am getting stable under Windows 7. I didnt bother trying to give it more voltage as I saw no point to it.
Regards
Yeah...i lose around 200mhz with my Phenom 9950
on vista 32bit it does 3.6, but 64bit vista gets it down to 3.4
this is 24/7 stability though, not sure about SS but it should be similar
Hi Tony!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Nice thread and test. I think that I'll register myself on that OCZ forum. :D Can so called Animals do 1600/CL6 in GD70? :) Btw the MSI has just release two new beta BIOSes. 1.35 and 1.36
Unfortunately I could not read your reply (if you replied back) because the recent PMs have lost. :shakes:
I have 135...136 just adds clockgen support as far as I know so its no big deal. The issue is they are releasing bios every day so im not getting to involved testing untill they slow down.
The MSI is looking llike a great board though, it feels like a DFI to use ;)
Regards CL6 at 1600, not tested yet, what I do know though is CL6 may be slower than Cl7 or 8...we have something to find in this MCH as it does not work quite like we think.
Animal does not like over 1.67V on the MSI....so its not worth ramming juice.
chew*
well done, as always
Hey, there's room for all of us here. I use 64-bit operating systems AND PS/2 keyboards. :D
Besides, I wasn't saying 64-bit is necessarily better, just that it's seeing more adoption than I think you were suggesting irrespective of its benefit.
I used to use a ps2 keyboard but it wore out and I couldn't find another that I liked.
I'm still using an IDE DVD burner drive though :lol2:
Ahh but you can say its better is some things man....I get my butt kicked by cinebench in 64 bit, sick numbers, I just wish all apps were across the board faster......that would give software co's incentive to code for 64 bit.....at that point I would make the shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle