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03-17-2009, 07:52 AM
Camaroz06

anyone have any idea if the HK can fit either way on a EVGA X58?
03-17-2009, 07:53 AM
nebuchanezzar

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Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

I'm lagging behind on the conversation here a little...

About the non-lapped HK base: Do you think it would improve performance if the base were lapped and polished? What if it were done by hand?
I'm thinking I could lap the base of my HK and test before and after.

Please do :up:

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Originally Posted by Nickel020

I checked my HK 3.0 CU as well and the base is very flat, it's "better" than my EK Supreme LT and no comparison to a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. My "old" EK Supreme also has a slight bow (less than the TRUE but a little more than the LT), so it is "worse" than the HK if you consider bowed to be a bad thing. The HK is also better than my Fuzion V1, which has a slight bow similar to the EK Supreme.
I used a proper straight edge to check this btw.

Whatever process they use to finish the base seems to be good, at least it's better than my other blocks. It's not a mirror finish, but it's definitely flatter than the other blocks that I have.

I agree, on first look I wasn't so impressed but when it came time to install it yesterday I gave it a better look. While it isn't mirror shiny it is extremely flat. I don't have a machinists grade tool to use but my vernier caliper is straight enough and the base is perfectly flat...to my caliper anyways.
That said, as long as the lapping job was done very well I don't think it could hurt it's performance but it may not make as big of a difference as I first thought.

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Originally Posted by Hondacity

I've already started with the hk3, and first mount was a dud, the base being so big sat on the capacitors of my multiphase vrms. So its working in one direction.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5...5/P1020379.jpg

GB x58 extreme users be warned. Well the thermal performance was something i was expecting. but stay tuned i got 25 mounts to do:up:

**pump setup on post#1

Ya, the direction sheet warns that you may need to mount it 90* off from standard on X58 boards. I had to on my DFI DK because of those caps near the backplate area.
Looking forward to your final result :).
03-17-2009, 08:35 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by Camaroz06

anyone have any idea if the HK can fit either way on a EVGA X58?

afaik it fits on every 775 and i7 board out there, you may need to turn it by 90° but this doesn't hurt the performance :up:
03-17-2009, 08:52 AM
HESmelaugh

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Originally Posted by nebuchanezzar

Please do :up:

Thread will be up soon. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by generics_user

afaik it fits on every 775 and i7 board out there, you may need to turn it by 90° but this doesn't hurt the performance :up:

It does hurt performance. A little bit, at least.
03-17-2009, 08:56 AM
Camaroz06

Quote:

Originally Posted by generics_user

afaik it fits on every 775 and i7 board out there, you may need to turn it by 90° but this doesn't hurt the performance :up:

Whoops sorry I mean if it would fit both orientations horizontal and vertical on the EVGA X58, just to know so if I can experiment with both orientations.
03-17-2009, 09:00 AM
MpG

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Originally Posted by generics_user

afaik it fits on every 775 and i7 board out there, you may need to turn it by 90° but this doesn't hurt the performance :up:

I'd expect that with almost any waterblock that uses impingement in the shape of a line, orientation would be an issue with quad-core CPU's.
03-17-2009, 09:56 AM
Worthy

I have the koolance 350at and I love it.
It's the acetal version and personally, i think it looks a lot more classy than the clear top.
Either way, it works excellent and it is indeed an impressive piece all around.

Reading this thread makes me feel even better about it.
03-17-2009, 11:45 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by Worthy

I have the koolance 350at and I love it.
It's the acetal version and personally, i think it looks a lot more classy than the clear top.
Either way, it works excellent and it is indeed an impressive piece all around.

Reading this thread makes me feel even better about it.

well i'd feel worse about it after reading all those HK threads :shrug:
03-17-2009, 11:50 AM
Camaroz06

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Originally Posted by generics_user

well i'd feel worse about it after reading all those HK threads :shrug:

I am going to guess that there is not much of a temp. difference but the HK will flow better.
03-17-2009, 12:05 PM
Hondacity

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Originally Posted by generics_user

well i'd feel worse about it after reading all those HK threads :shrug:

worry? i beg to disagree...

k350 pawned the high flow waterblocks...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=219081
03-17-2009, 12:43 PM
NaeKuh

i dont understand the HK block at all.

it has injectors but its free flowing like thre XSPC Rev.2? Does that make sense to anyone?

Injectors + free flowing?
03-17-2009, 12:47 PM
Sparda

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

i dont understand the HK block at all.

it has injectors but its free flowing like thre XSPC Rev.2? Does that make sense to anyone?

Injectors + free flowing?

Not sure but its internal nearly like ek supreme to me. Probably they undergo several type of the injector plate before they come out with that one.:shrug:
03-17-2009, 12:52 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by Sparda

Not sure but its internal nearly like ek supreme to me. Probably they undergo several type of the injector plate before they come out with that one.:shrug:

which is why im saying i dont understand the block at all.

:rofl:

Now the basics of injectors, simplified, is to form an obstruction in the flow path, it increase velocity of the water. The increased velocity causes turbulance and aggitiation inside which leads to a more efficient heat transfer.

So if you have free flowing, WTF is the turbulance and aggitation?
03-17-2009, 01:09 PM
Sparda

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

which is why im saying i dont understand the block at all.

:rofl:

Now the basics of injectors, simplified, is to form an obstruction in the flow path, it increase velocity of the water. The increased velocity causes turbulance and aggitiation inside which leads to a more efficient heat transfer.

So if you have free flowing, WTF is the turbulance and aggitation?

Fuzion v2 is impingement type of block as well but doesnt hinder from free flow.:confused: What I mean is that they probably tweak the block..eg. choose a balance injector plate( free flow + good water acceleration ) , the base , water channel..etc...who know.:shrug:
03-17-2009, 03:01 PM
MpG

I wonder if that means there's some more performance to be had with a different, more restrictive plate? Maybe they should sell blanks, like KL does for their 350.
03-17-2009, 03:09 PM
Hondacity

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

which is why im saying i dont understand the block at all.

:rofl:

Now the basics of injectors, simplified, is to form an obstruction in the flow path, it increase velocity of the water. The increased velocity causes turbulance and aggitiation inside which leads to a more efficient heat transfer.

So if you have free flowing, WTF is the turbulance and aggitation?

i gotta give it to you....you're the only one who seen that:clap:

:up:
03-17-2009, 04:37 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparda

Fuzion v2 is impingement type of block as well but doesnt hinder from free flow.:confused: What I mean is that they probably tweak the block..eg. choose a balance injector plate( free flow + good water acceleration ) , the base , water channel..etc...who know.:shrug:

you kidding me?

drop a 3.5mm nozzle and lets see how free flowing your fusion becomes.

4.4mm nozzle is what everyone used on a dualcore because thats what scaled the best on a single pump. And a 4.4mm nozzle + EK Oring is significantly more restictive then a fusion base.

Sorry, the block just makes no sense...
I want to see numbers on the block, if anything i can see it performing pretty well like the EK LT,
but better because of the thinner base, and smaller cut.

I still dont see how this would win against a upper tier injector block tho. The GTZ and KL350 for example.

Phobia is what really got me curious. Under a good pump, and that ultra thin of a base with micro pits, i think this can be a contender.
03-17-2009, 04:46 PM
Sparda

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

you kidding me?

drop a 3.5mm nozzle and lets see how free flowing your fusion becomes.

4.4mm nozzle is what everyone used on a dualcore because thats what scaled the best on a single pump. And a 4.4mm nozzle + EK Oring is significantly more restictive then a fusion base.

Sorry, the block just makes no sense...
I want to see numbers on the block, if anything i can see it performing pretty well like the EK LT,
but better because of the thinner base, and smaller cut.

I still dont see how this would win against a upper tier injector block tho. The GTZ and KL350 for example.

Obviously and I am aware of it. :) But can still choose the nozzle -.-
I think it not all about nozzle as well somebody post on HK LC which has less water channel.
03-17-2009, 04:48 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

The HK3 makes perfect sense. Beats the 350 slightly with half the restriction. It's a winner on i7, KL 350 step aside:D

andyc

You have final numbers?
03-17-2009, 04:48 PM
BiNGE

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

you kidding me?

drop a 3.5mm nozzle and lets see how free flowing your fusion becomes.

4.4mm nozzle is what everyone used on a dualcore because thats what scaled the best on a single pump. And a 4.4mm nozzle + EK Oring is significantly more restictive then a fusion base.

Sorry, the block just makes no sense...
I want to see numbers on the block, if anything i can see it performing pretty well like the EK LT,
but better because of the thinner base, and smaller cut.

I still dont see how this would win against a upper tier injector block tho. The GTZ and KL350 for example.

Phobia is what really got me curious. Under a good pump, and that ultra thin of a base with micro pits, i think this can be a contender.

The key is in the shape of the top. It's LIKE the ek, but it is also very different. As for the plate in the middle it is less restrictive than the supreme's inner plate. Coupled with the deeper channels which stay deeper for longer. By eye it looks like it would have more flow. The numbers also don't lie either... look at HESmelaugh's results.
03-17-2009, 04:56 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiNGE

The key is in the shape of the top. It's LIKE the ek, but it is also very different. As for the plate in the middle it is less restrictive than the supreme's inner plate. Coupled with the deeper channels which stay deeper for longer. By eye it looks like it would have more flow. The numbers also don't lie either... look at HESmelaugh's results.

flow and pressure is inversely relative on the pumps we use. Thats why all pump charts start out with uber high pressure at near 0 flow rate, and you see it drop as the flow rates increase.

Meaning less flow = greater pressure.

So if it has little flow loss, it means the injectors arent doing there job. It has nothing to do with shape of top, that would allow a better wash, but you still need a pressure drop inside the block for there to be turbulance and velocity.

Im trying to understand this block, andy says it won, so i like to see final numbers.
03-17-2009, 05:00 PM
NaeKuh

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

It'll just make you cry,

andyc

not really because im not on a stock KL-350 now am i?

Dean sent Skinnee and Me prototype injectors and there actually pretty good.

And im running a rev.2 backplate.

I still want to see numbers tho.

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