Phenom II x3 710 run with 4 core!

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02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Newblar

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Originally Posted by Dami3n

I didn´t see yet a proof that fourth core works stable. Any prime/occt/orthos screens? :stick:

this is exactly what im wanting
good solid proof..
02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
junkmonk

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Originally Posted by vinister

How have the overclocks and heat been on the regular 3 cores? If if failed QC to become an X4, then how do you know the 3 good cores you are spending money on are any good?

http://kimandjason.com/blog/wp-conte...bie_downer.jpg
02-23-2009, 12:48 PM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by vinister

How have the overclocks and heat been on the regular 3 cores? If if failed QC to become an X4, then how do you know the 3 good cores you are spending money on are any good?

Because it's being sold. Very, very few Intel or AMD chips are ever DOA. The chips are binned so incredibly well that even degraded they can still exceed the needs of the consumer.
02-23-2009, 12:57 PM
mAJORD

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Originally Posted by DoubleZero

There no way that's happening, they are just 945 that didn't met the specs, either by a lot, no functional core, or by just a detail, hence the 4 cores 3.8ghz overclock with one cpu, and 4 cores at 1ghz that fail prime with another one.

why is everyone assuming its a 945 that got cut? Why not a 925? They don't "make" 945s with an unlocked multi, its an afterthought.

For that matter, even as a 925 it may still have not made the cut, as the cpu may well have a higher TDP than required.

You simply can't tell for certain any of these cpu's we've seen are perfectly good quads.. yet. need more solid stability testing. not to mention power consumption
02-23-2009, 01:07 PM
junkmonk

yeah these unlocked pitted against x4 940, x4 920, x4 810 etc on power consumption, stability and overall performance would be great.. also, people please save the current versions of bios on your motherboards!
02-23-2009, 01:15 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Bobsama

Because it's being sold. Very, very few Intel or AMD chips are ever DOA. The chips are binned so incredibly well that even degraded they can still exceed the needs of the consumer.

You assume those disabled cores are 100% errorfree. I dont think thats how alot of them got made...
02-23-2009, 01:21 PM
fng77

Very cool news! If this works I´m gonna try one of them x3:s out myself.
02-23-2009, 01:32 PM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by Shintai

You assume those disabled cores are 100% errorfree. I dont think thats how alot of them got made...

True, which is why binning such as this exists. Some will be 100% error free, and just crippled to meet demand. Others will have severe issues, which will lead the end-user to just disable it again. It's still just a $120 chip and a $100-110 motherboard, and will provide a significant upgrade for a lot of people. And the enthusiast knows this and decides whether or not to try this. If it succeeds, free extra core. If it fails, you still got something fast.
02-23-2009, 01:50 PM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by Bobsama

True, which is why binning such as this exists. Some will be 100% error free, and just crippled to meet demand. Others will have severe issues, which will lead the end-user to just disable it again. It's still just a $120 chip and a $100-110 motherboard, and will provide a significant upgrade for a lot of people. And the enthusiast knows this and decides whether or not to try this. If it succeeds, free extra core. If it fails, you still got something fast.

Not to mention you still got craving for 4 cores, so sooner or later you will buy bigger brother X4 chip.
This is great marketing move, costly but great :up:
02-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Power5

Does this work on the 720BE? That would be best, then you dont have to worry about the CPU bus speed as much. Better chance of getting a disabled core to run at proper speeds. Could down speed the bus and up the multi.
02-23-2009, 02:03 PM
Jakalwarrior

Should just go ahead and nickname this the gamblers chip lol. Very sweet though. I LOVE stuff like this.
02-23-2009, 02:14 PM
roofsniper

as JJ has already said some amd tri cores are quad cores with one core disabled. if they didn't have enough cpus with one bad core they got fully functional quad cores and disabled a core to make a tri core. im not sure if you can actually enable them again but if you could some tri cores might actual be able to become quads since some of them have no problems.
02-23-2009, 02:15 PM
fng77

Does this bios mod just work with phenom II and not phenom (1) X3?

And in that case, why?
02-23-2009, 02:40 PM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by Lightman

Not to mention you still got craving for 4 cores, so sooner or later you will buy bigger brother X4 chip.
This is great marketing move, costly but great :up:

True dat. And even if you get a quad-core without overclocking headroom, the people most inclined to do this (well, us!) would have the craving not just for a quad-core, but a fast quad-core. And thus the X4 925/945/&c will be coming in. So you have a 4-core X3 710, what's the point if it maxes out at 2._ GHz?
02-23-2009, 02:53 PM
Homeless2

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Originally Posted by fng77

Does this bios mod just work with phenom II and not phenom (1) X3?

And in that case, why?

This does NOT work with phenom I AFAIK.
02-23-2009, 02:58 PM
roofsniper

it shouldn't work with phenom II either and if it truly does i can gaurantee you that they would release a fix. either that or just stop making tri cores because all they are are a cheap way to get a quad.
02-23-2009, 03:00 PM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

it shouldn't work with phenom II either and if it truly does i can gaurantee you that they would release a fix. either that or just stop making tri cores because all they are are a cheap way to get a quad.

Yes, they'll make a fix, but word's still out. Odds are Biostar will release a BIOS update, so don't update and should keep a quad-core on the cheap. If not, they'll keep it as it is, as a bonus for the DIY channel.
02-23-2009, 03:31 PM
xBanzai89

Is there any reports of this working on boards besides a biostar? I have a DFI JR 790GX sitting near me I was going to sell it, but if I can get a 720 and unlock it I'll have second thoughts.
02-23-2009, 04:41 PM
AgentGOD

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Originally Posted by xBanzai89

Is there any reports of this working on boards besides a biostar? I have a DFI JR 790GX sitting near me I was going to sell it, but if I can get a 720 and unlock it I'll have second thoughts.

Someone on OCUK was able to do it with an ASUS with 790FX and SB750.

You should get it anyway :) As long as your board has "Advanced Clock Calibration", it should work.
02-23-2009, 05:00 PM
xBanzai89

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Originally Posted by AgentGOD

Someone on OCUK was able to do it with an ASUS with 790FX and SB750.

You should get it anyway :) As long as your board has "Advanced Clock Calibration", it should work.

To the owners manual :up:

Well manual did not have it. Found out it was in there though. This is so tempting Newegg dropped their price down to 145 for the X3 -.-.
02-23-2009, 07:14 PM
drizzt5

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Originally Posted by Lightman

Not to mention you still got craving for 4 cores, so sooner or later you will buy bigger brother X4 chip.
This is great marketing move, costly but great :up:

AMD:
":confused:Ya..... we ment to do this.......:yepp:;)"
02-23-2009, 07:48 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by xBanzai89

To the owners manual :up:

Well manual did not have it. Found out it was in there though. This is so tempting Newegg dropped their price down to 145 for the X3 -.-.

Still a crap shoot, why not just buy a real X4?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103472

Seems pretty silly when the prices aren't much different than the real thing:shrug:
02-23-2009, 07:52 PM
roofsniper

the 710 is $57 cheaper than the 810 and the 720 is $85 cheaper than the 940. plus the 720 is am3.
02-23-2009, 08:20 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

the 710 is $57 cheaper than the 810 and the is $85 cheaper than the 940. plus the 720 is am3.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103649
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103648

$119 and $144 as compared to $175 and $184 is hardly anything to get worked up over. BTW, do you get a cut on sales at AMD? I couldn't help but notice how you compared for better impact LOL! So we compare $119 to $175 = $56 then $144 to $184 = $40 Doesn't make much sense to compare the 2.6GHz to 2.8GHz since yes we know it costs more. 4 FULLY working cores should cost more as well.

In between getting flamed, I posted in the other thread that AMD would have some of the X3's that had all four cores working but one might have been slower, needed more power and etc... than the other three. Some of those X3s will have defective cores so folks buying them and thinking otherwise is kind of lame.
02-23-2009, 09:01 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103649
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103648

$119 and $144 as compared to $175 and $184 is hardly anything to get worked up over. BTW, do you get a cut on sales at AMD? I couldn't help but notice how you compared for better impact LOL! So we compare $119 to $175 = $56 then $144 to $184 = $40 Doesn't make much sense to compare the 2.6GHz to 2.8GHz since yes we know it costs more. 4 FULLY working cores should cost more as well.

In between getting flamed, I posted in the other thread that AMD would have some of the X3's that had all four cores working but one might have been slower, needed more power and etc... than the other three. Some of those X3s will have defective cores so folks buying them and thinking otherwise is kind of lame.

idk i was just looking at the fact that locked 710 is 56.99(have to get down to the pennies now because you can't tell a difference between 99 cents and 0 cents) cheaper than the locked 810 and both the chips run at 2.6ghz. close of a comparison as you can get for triple vs quad phenoms besides the fact that the 810 has a 4mb l3. and i compared the 720 to the 940 because they both happen to be unlocked although the 720 is only 2.8ghz. yes the 720 and the 920 both run at 2.8ghz but the 720 is unlocked and is am3. and where are you getting this 144 to 184 thing from? last time i checked the 720 is 145 and the 920 is 190. :confused: so i really don't know where you are getting your facts from but w/e. so if you think im trying to do some kind of trick to make the difference look much bigger you are wrong. don't know how you think you are getting flamed but w/e, and yes if this trick does work and you can turn on another core it isn't guaranteed to get you one because some cores work and were just downcored and some are bad cores and i would not recommend someone to get a 720 if they wanted to get a quad just because they could turn another one on. so just chill out when im trying to point of obvious facts, its not like im playing mind tricks.

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