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05-05-2009, 09:28 PM
Bradan

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

I never saw you post anything objective at all.
You mentioned COAX, to use it, you have to go digital. If you made a Mistake, that's fine just admit it and move on. I called an Opamp a DAC, Rob corrected me and corrected the mistake, I thanked him and moved on. You made the mistake so plase don't dig a deeper hole? NOTE, COAX or RCA used for digital out doesn't need to be thick, made by Monster and or shielded. It is pretty hard to mess up a digital signal BTW! I use think shielded RCA cables for my Analog out. I use them again to connect my New School Harmon Kardon Pre-Amp to the Old School Harman Kardon very Powerful Twin Power AMP on my 730!

COAX
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...coax_cable.jpg

COMPOSITE
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66...g?t=1241585764

ANALOGUE COMPOSITE OUTS
http://eprim.org/i/0810/asus-xonar-essence-stx.jpg

Analogue needs sufficient shielding depending on the cirumstances, digital does not, the Xonar has both a hybrid optical/coax digital out and a 124dB SNR analogue L-R composite(RCA) out.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

[url]http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112218[/url

Right! Please note, X-Fi's SRC is NOT the same as the Audigy's. You don't need bit-match unless you're using something with a HIGH BIT-RATE, like SACD, DVD Audio, or original master recording that were made and not compressed yet.

Bit matching insures the source material is outputted untouched, bit-for-bit accurate, that's it. I can bit match anything.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Bit matching anything except high Bit-Rate material is a worth it! Yes 24bit 96KHz Smoke on the Water, Hotel California, Listen to the Music, Tubular Bells has to be heard to be believed. If you're using CD and MP3's, you're the missing out.

As much as I wish I had golden ears to hear 43kHz frequencies, and discern 16bit depths from 24bit, I don't, and humans DO NOT. Most SACD/DVDA are mastered very differently, and people assume it's the high bit-depth and sample rate. If one would convert the same DVDA to CD 16/44.1, one wouldn't succeed in an ABX test (discern whether random sample is A or B) (It's worth trying). Most audiophiles assume they have super human ears, I am not one of them, I have tested my abilities objectively.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

You grammar and spelling confuses me but I can decipher it OK:rofl: I know what you're referring to, it's just wrong most of the time! You don't use bit matching for something error correction designed for.

:shrug: My grammar is proper, you might want to focus on attacking the arguement sir.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

One of 4 sets I use! But most folks here know I love speakers and have a room dedicated for it and my computer.

Sorry, I assumed that was your main set of headphones for critical listening, and I still assume they are, since you'd have your best set in your sig, right?

I just thought it was strange when you started talking about colouration of the audio, while using one of the most notoriously coloured headphones on Head-Fi.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Please have just a little respect for yourself then!

I try.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

:rofl::ROTF: Pretty much shows just how much you don't know. I don't think I know everything and love learning what and when I can. Show me a know it all and I'll show you a fool!

-I don't know anything
-You learn
-I'm a know it all and a fool

Really? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Time shift is how you to speed up or slow down a Track/s without changing the tone! Not boasting at all, just pointing out something useful instead of something out of the human hearing range, like 124db LOL!

I wouldn't use such a feature.

DVD-A
24-bit (X 6) = 144db SNR
96khz = 43kHz (2 samples needed to construct sine wave)

I feel you might being a little hypocritical. the dB scale is a log scale, so you are saying that 10^(1/124) is rediculous, then saying 10^(1/144) is completely fine?

This is worth a read
http://www.atpm.com/6.03/digitalaudio.shtml

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Then one thing you have right in your posted with any amount of truth. I in fact installed the Mobo's audio on my P45. Almost all of the features worked to my surprise. Anyone with an X-Fi of any kind can test this for themselves.
Just install both in either order.

Oh and Bradan, we do have PM if you misunderstood something?

I'm really glad I got atleast one reply up to your standards, I try my best.
I think we can clear stuff up well here.
05-06-2009, 08:21 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Bradan

COAX
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...coax_cable.jpg

COMPOSITE
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66...g?t=1241585764

ANALOGUE COMPOSITE OUTS
http://eprim.org/i/0810/asus-xonar-essence-stx.jpg

Analogue needs sufficient shielding depending on the cirumstances, digital does not, the Xonar has both a hybrid optical/coax digital out and a 124dB SNR analogue L-R composite(RCA) out.

Hey Bradan, let's start over? The last thing I need is another enemy, OK?:up:
I'm unilaterally dropping any kind of meanness from my posts to you.

Your first pic is of a Analog or Digital Video Coaxial Cable. It is has NOTHING to do with Audio at all. I see where the confusion comes from. The RCA Cable (Composite) can be used for;

A Sub's Analog Signal in,
Composite Video Signal in or out
and Analog sound In & Out.

For these uses Shielding is very good idea.

The RCA/Composite Cable serves as the COAX connection for Computer's Sound Cards Digital In and Out. For that purpose, Shielding is a rig off. So Monster selling Very think, reinforced shielded Digital Coaxial Cables are a 100% rip off. It is very hard to interfere with a Digital signal even with a Cheap $1.99 RCA cable.

ttp://www.hphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=492852&Q=&is=REG&A=details

SIIG SoundWave 7.1 PCI Sound Card with Coaxial S/PDIF OutputMfr# IC-710012 B&H# SIIC710012

Now I'm NOT about to flame you or make fun of you, hell I'd much rather try to help. Newer Motherboards Ship with RCA based S/PDIF as well Toshlink/Optical.

So Bradan, on your picture of that the Asus sound card, that bottom Grey "composite" as you called it is for the card's Digital Out. Like the other card Prelude has both as well COAX/Optical via RCA with an optical adapter. I'm sure that's (Grey) the universal color code for Digital Out just as the Orange, Lt Green, Black, Blue and Red/Pink are for the other connections.
05-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Bradan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Hey Bradan, let's start over? The last thing I need is another enemy, OK?:up:
I'm unilaterally dropping any kind of meanness from my posts to you.

Your first pic is of a Analog or Digital Video Coaxial Cable. It is has NOTHING to do with Audio at all. I see where the confusion comes from. The RCA Cable (Composite) can be used for;

A Sub's Analog Signal in,
Composite Video Signal in or out
and Analog sound In & Out.

For these uses Shielding is very good idea.

The RCA/Composite Cable serves as the COAX connection for Computer's Sound Cards Digital In and Out. For that purpose, Shielding is a rig off. So Monster selling Very think, reinforced shielded Digital Coaxial Cables are a 100% rip off. It is very hard to interfere with a Digital signal even with a Cheap $1.99 RCA cable.

ttp://www.hphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=492852&Q=&is=REG&A=details

SIIG SoundWave 7.1 PCI Sound Card with Coaxial S/PDIF OutputMfr# IC-710012 B&H# SIIC710012

Now I'm NOT about to flame you or make fun of you, hell I'd much rather try to help. Newer Motherboards Ship with RCA based S/PDIF as well Toshlink/Optical.

So Bradan, on your picture of that the Asus sound card, that bottom Grey "composite" as you called it is for the card's Digital Out. Like the other card Prelude has both as well COAX/Optical via RCA with an optical adapter. I'm sure that's (Grey) the universal color code for Digital Out just as the Orange, Lt Green, Black, Blue and Red/Pink are for the other connections.

I was really tired when I posted that. Coax refers to the copper core and coppet jacket style cable. Composite is just the the style we use for audio/video, and the beefy one is for video transmissions running a long distance.

I have a full understanding of the composite analogue, composite digital, optical out, RTS 1/4", 1/8" jacks on my card.
This is no topic for arguement! :) We sound like crazies.

Though I kid you not, a guy on head-fi was arguing that a Monster Cable DIGITAL OPTICAL cable was necessary to stop EM radiation from interfering with the flow of the photons in the cable. He argued this would cause output errors, and colour the sound.
05-06-2009, 05:04 PM
Godofwar424

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Originally Posted by Bradan

Though I kid you not, a guy on head-fi was arguing that a Monster Cable DIGITAL OPTICAL cable was necessary to stop EM radiation from interfering with the flow of the photons in the cable. He argued this would cause output errors, and colour the sound.

Lmao there is always going to be someone who will argue his story to his death. (maybe he was over tired/drunk or high when he posted that :D)
05-07-2009, 10:37 AM
Gilhooley

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Originally Posted by Bradan

did you just say "analog bitrate"?

Ok - Bandwidth, if your going to anal about it.. I think you need to read up a bit on analog sound signals and think about what you do to it when you adjust your volume :yepp:
05-07-2009, 06:05 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bradan

I was really tired when I posted that. Coax refers to the copper core and coppet jacket style cable. Composite is just the the style we use for audio/video, and the beefy one is for video transmissions running a long distance.

I have a full understanding of the composite analogue, composite digital, optical out, RTS 1/4", 1/8" jacks on my card.
This is no topic for arguement! :) We sound like crazies.

Though I kid you not, a guy on head-fi was arguing that a Monster Cable DIGITAL OPTICAL cable was necessary to stop EM radiation from interfering with the flow of the photons in the cable. He argued this would cause output errors, and colour the sound.

No biggie dewd! I just meant that when I said COAX on the sound card all folks in this part of the forum knows it meant RCA, that's all.

Yes, I use to go to Head-Fi and AVS but saw folks defending Shielding a Digital RCA cable. They flamed a sound engineer LOL! Some folks just went along to get along. Same thing went on in the HardOCP audio section. I'm glad to see you didn't fall for such sillness.:woot:
05-08-2009, 10:17 PM
Bradan

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Originally Posted by Gilhooley

Ok - Bandwidth, if your going to anal about it.. I think you need to read up a bit on analog sound signals and think about what you do to it when you adjust your volume :yepp:

I do understand that when the amplitude of a wave increases, the volume increases.

I'm not sure I know what you mean then, I think you were referring to either sample rate, bit depth or digital bandwidth. Uncompressed analogue signals don't have the bandwidth (information/time) and [I think] that is what you are referring to; like a bitrate of 320kbps. I'm fairly sure analogue signals have an infinite bandwidth in this respect? (Like a vinyl)

Bandwidth in respect to an analogue signal could refer to the width of an actual wave.

I do beleive analogue signals can transmit digital data (like cable and radio), but not in the context of this discussion.

I think you might be confusing digital information that is to be converted witha DAC (digital to analogue converter) to an analogue signal.

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